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[Lulupab]

Veruin wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Details are irrelevant when an example is made between a game and real life. The point of it was a different person whatever the difference might be, is forcing all those who are different in the same as him to change and most imporantly by force.

The question is, why are we defying a mage's power? For wanting same rights as any man or for wanting to rule over the world

So you are unable to differentiate the difference between a person who at worst kisses their S/S partner in public....with a person who is a shining beacon to malevolent entities as well as having abilties that can wipe out whole villages.   Ok then.  Can't say I'm surpised.

.....I just cannot fathom how naive you are.

Starsyn wrote...

http://en.wikipedia..../Final_Solution

Yay Godwin's law.

Let's get one thing clear.  Mages are not a race, nor are they a religion.

Missing the point again. A gay person who is kissing their partner in public who also appears to be the person who made all other gay people become straight by military force. If being gay is ok then why did you do that? The act of changing all others who are different like you is the point. You didn't forget what we are talking about here have you? Playing as a mage and in the same time making all mages tranquil. If you can't understand this then I'm not surprised as well.

Ignore the example then. Discuss this:

A different person, whatever the difference might be from majority, is forcomg all those who are different in the same as as him, to change. And most importantly by force.

What is this person if not a complete hypocrite.

Modifié par Rassler, 06 janvier 2014 - 08:19 .

[Grieving Natashina]

Veruin wrote...

Last seeker wrote..
In my opinion, I think it depend on the situation. As for Karl, he was Tranquiled agianst his will by Arlik's order (Usually it needed a perrmisstion from someone like a Knight Commander and a Grand Cleric to tranquil someone but Arlik has decide to secretly forced in on Karl) that is why he felt so bitter, and thought death is the only way for him to be free from a life of puppet that only live to do what the templars told him to do.

I think he wanted death because he lived in Kirkwall.

Agreed.  Man, what a messed up city!

Off to play my mage in Origins! 

Modifié par Starsyn, 06 janvier 2014 - 08:20 .

[Last seeker]

Veruin wrote...

Last seeker wrote..
In my opinion, I think it depend on the situation. As for Karl, he was Tranquiled agianst his will by Arlik's order (Usually it needed a perrmisstion from someone like a Knight Commander and a Grand Cleric to tranquil someone but Arlik has decide to secretly forced in on Karl) that is why he felt so bitter, and thought death is the only way for him to be free from a life of puppet that only live to do what the templars told him to do.

I think he wanted death because he lived in Kirkwall.

Right.

[Grieving Natashina]

Last seeker wrote...

Veruin wrote...

Last seeker wrote..
In my opinion, I think it depend on the situation. As for Karl, he was Tranquiled agianst his will by Arlik's order (Usually it needed a perrmisstion from someone like a Knight Commander and a Grand Cleric to tranquil someone but Arlik has decide to secretly forced in on Karl) that is why he felt so bitter, and thought death is the only way for him to be free from a life of puppet that only live to do what the templars told him to do.

I think he wanted death because he lived in Kirkwall.

Right.

I think that was a joke.  That's at least how I saw it. 

[Rotward]

If there's no option to eliminate mages or templars completely, this game has failed. I think the tranquil solution would be a great option. Bioware was happy to drive a few species extinct in me3, I think they could pull it off.

Not that I'd take the option, I just think it should be there. Along with the option to execute the divine and exile the chantry.

[Master Warder Z_]

Starsyn wrote...

Last seeker wrote...

Veruin wrote...

Last seeker wrote..
In my opinion, I think it depend on the situation. As for Karl, he was Tranquiled agianst his will by Arlik's order (Usually it needed a perrmisstion from someone like a Knight Commander and a Grand Cleric to tranquil someone but Arlik has decide to secretly forced in on Karl) that is why he felt so bitter, and thought death is the only way for him to be free from a life of puppet that only live to do what the templars told him to do.

I think he wanted death because he lived in Kirkwall.

Right.

I think that was a joke.  That's at least how I saw it. 

Or completely true considering it is kirkwall

[Grieving Natashina]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

Last seeker wrote...

Veruin wrote...

Last seeker wrote..
In my opinion, I think it depend on the situation. As for Karl, he was Tranquiled agianst his will by Arlik's order (Usually it needed a perrmisstion from someone like a Knight Commander and a Grand Cleric to tranquil someone but Arlik has decide to secretly forced in on Karl) that is why he felt so bitter, and thought death is the only way for him to be free from a life of puppet that only live to do what the templars told him to do.

I think he wanted death because he lived in Kirkwall.

Right.

I think that was a joke.  That's at least how I saw it. 

Or completely true considering it is kirkwall

That strikes me as a good reason to flee the city, but a poor reason to wish to be Tranquil.  Anders was probably right that Karl was forced.

I do want to point out there is some mages that do become Tranquil on a voluntary‎ basis.  In pretty mage-friendly Ferelden no less.

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Owain

If you chat with him during the Mage Origin (I think he'll say this at Ostagar too,) he will reveal that he opted for Tranquility rather than keep his magic abilities.  While there was a lot of flagrant use of Tranquility as punishment in Kirkwall, some mages do sign up for that willingly.

Modifié par Starsyn, 06 janvier 2014 - 09:53 .

[Last seeker]

Starsyn wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

Last seeker wrote...

Veruin wrote...

Last seeker wrote..
In my opinion, I think it depend on the situation. As for Karl, he was Tranquiled agianst his will by Arlik's order (Usually it needed a perrmisstion from someone like a Knight Commander and a Grand Cleric to tranquil someone but Arlik has decide to secretly forced in on Karl) that is why he felt so bitter, and thought death is the only way for him to be free from a life of puppet that only live to do what the templars told him to do.

I think he wanted death because he lived in Kirkwall.

Right.

I think that was a joke.  That's at least how I saw it. 

Or completely true considering it is kirkwall

That strikes me as a good reason to flee the city, but a poor reason to wish to be Tranquil.  Anders was probably right that Karl was forced.

I do want to point out there is some mages that do become Tranquil on a voluntary‎ basis.  In pretty mage-friendly Ferelden no less.

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Owain

If you chat with him during the Mage Origin (I think he'll say this at Ostagar too,) he will reveal that he opted for Tranquility rather than keep his magic abilities.  While there was a lot of flagrant use of Tranquility as punishment in Kirkwall, some mages do sign up for that willingly.

Understandable....

but I do pity for those who find out that they has been used for a sexslave for years, they might still want to commit a suicide, well, an event like that wouldn't show up in the game, though.

[Lulupab]

Last seeker wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

Last seeker wrote...

Veruin wrote...

Last seeker wrote..
In my opinion, I think it depend on the situation. As for Karl, he was Tranquiled agianst his will by Arlik's order (Usually it needed a perrmisstion from someone like a Knight Commander and a Grand Cleric to tranquil someone but Arlik has decide to secretly forced in on Karl) that is why he felt so bitter, and thought death is the only way for him to be free from a life of puppet that only live to do what the templars told him to do.

I think he wanted death because he lived in Kirkwall.

Right.

I think that was a joke.  That's at least how I saw it. 

Or completely true considering it is kirkwall

That strikes me as a good reason to flee the city, but a poor reason to wish to be Tranquil.  Anders was probably right that Karl was forced.

I do want to point out there is some mages that do become Tranquil on a voluntary‎ basis.  In pretty mage-friendly Ferelden no less.

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Owain

If you chat with him during the Mage Origin (I think he'll say this at Ostagar too,) he will reveal that he opted for Tranquility rather than keep his magic abilities.  While there was a lot of flagrant use of Tranquility as punishment in Kirkwall, some mages do sign up for that willingly.

Understandable....

but I do pity for those who find out that they has been used for a sexslave for years, they might still want to commit a suicide, well, an event like that wouldn't show up in the game, though.

As you know there is a potential cure for Tranquilty, more explored in asunder and first hinted in DA2 where Anders cures Karl temporarily. A simple contact with a being from the fade, spirit or demon will cure tranquility.

But there is a catch, all emotions will come back rushing down and with much more intensity. So if a tranquil gets cured and the first emotion he has is anger towards Templars he'd probably make Anders look like an Angel in comparison to what he will feel and do.

[ianvillan]

Rassler wrote...

As you know there is a potential cure for Tranquilty, more explored in asunder and first hinted in DA2 where Anders cures Karl temporarily. A simple contact with a being from the fade, spirit or demon will cure tranquility.

But there is a catch, all emotions will come back rushing down and with much more intensity. So if a tranquil gets cured and the first emotion he has is anger towards Templars he'd probably make Anders look like an Angel in comparison to what he will feel and do.

If the mages who were made tranquil finally get free will, then there will be a lot of angry mages who would not want anything thing to do with the Templars.

That is probably the reason Lambert did everything he could to stop the cure from coming out because he would loose the mages the Templars could totally control and he would have a lot of angry mages who were abused wanting Justice.

[Grieving Natashina]

ianvillan wrote...

Rassler wrote...

As you know there is a potential cure for Tranquilty, more explored in asunder and first hinted in DA2 where Anders cures Karl temporarily. A simple contact with a being from the fade, spirit or demon will cure tranquility.

But there is a catch, all emotions will come back rushing down and with much more intensity. So if a tranquil gets cured and the first emotion he has is anger towards Templars he'd probably make Anders look like an Angel in comparison to what he will feel and do.

If the mages who were made tranquil finally get free will, then there will be a lot of angry mages who would not want anything thing to do with the Templars.

That is probably the reason Lambert did everything he could to stop the cure from coming out because he would loose the mages the Templars could totally control and he would have a lot of angry mages who were abused wanting Justice.

*As all the rogues in Thedas go into stealth at once* 

Now that is a scary thought indeed.  Not mages with free will, but angry mages with a serious grudge.

Modifié par Starsyn, 06 janvier 2014 - 11:15 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rassler wrote...


As you know there is a potential cure for Tranquilty, more explored in asunder and first hinted in DA2 where Anders cures Karl temporarily. A simple contact with a being from the fade, spirit or demon will cure tranquility.

But there is a catch, all emotions will come back rushing down and with much more intensity. So if a tranquil gets cured and the first emotion he has is anger towards Templars he'd probably make Anders look like an Angel in comparison to what he will feel and do.

Not worth it too dangerous and made him unstable i don't see point why i should mess with guys who can destroy world just to please few guys...

[Lulupab]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rassler wrote...


As you know there is a potential cure for Tranquilty, more explored in asunder and first hinted in DA2 where Anders cures Karl temporarily. A simple contact with a being from the fade, spirit or demon will cure tranquility.

But there is a catch, all emotions will come back rushing down and with much more intensity. So if a tranquil gets cured and the first emotion he has is anger towards Templars he'd probably make Anders look like an Angel in comparison to what he will feel and do.

Not worth it too dangerous and made him unstable i don't see point why i should mess with guys who can destroy world just to please few guys...

You don't have to cure them, I'm sure someone else can do it in the game. With the veil torn there is no shortage of spirits :innocent:

[thetinyevil]

dragonflight288 wrote...

If every mage is made tranquil, you possibly lose the capacity to make new Grey Wardens as we know mages are needed to prepare the joining although we don't know all the details.

Don't forget about the Qunari. The mages are the only thing that the rest of Thedus has that is even close to their cannons. In face if it wasn't for the mages everyone would have been converted to the Qun a long time ago. That is if I am remembering my lore correctly

[Beyond2souls]

If we can make anders tranquil i say yes.
But every single mage uhm, no.

[Lord Raijin]

Starsyn wrote...

I do want to point out there is some mages that do become Tranquil on a voluntary‎ basis.  In pretty mage-friendly Ferelden no less.

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Owain

If you chat with him during the Mage Origin (I think he'll say this at Ostagar too,) he will reveal that he opted for Tranquility rather than keep his magic abilities.  While there was a lot of flagrant use of Tranquility as punishment in Kirkwall, some mages do sign up for that willingly.

I'm pretty sure that most of the majority of mages (98%) who is willing to undergo this barbaric act was indocrinated to do so. The classic stockholm symdrome. Keili is a prime example of it. You take a group of people and put them in a prison like enviorment and then you start telling them that they're garbage to society, and that their entire existance is nothing but a curse. Patience is in the essense. Eventually you will have some who will agree with your harsh views.

Knight-Commander Greagoir and Knight-Commander Meredith doesn't hold back by letting you know that mages are curses and that they carry a curse.

[AresKeith]

Lord Raijin wrote...

I'm pretty sure that most of the majority of mages (98%) who is willing to undergo this barbaric act was indocrinated to do so. The classic stockholm symdrome. 

lel

[Lord Raijin]

AresKeith wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

I'm pretty sure that most of the majority of mages (98%) who is willing to undergo this barbaric act was indocrinated to do so. The classic stockholm symdrome. 

lel

What does that mean?

[Master Warder Z_]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

I do want to point out there is some mages that do become Tranquil on a voluntary‎ basis.  In pretty mage-friendly Ferelden no less.

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Owain

If you chat with him during the Mage Origin (I think he'll say this at Ostagar too,) he will reveal that he opted for Tranquility rather than keep his magic abilities.  While there was a lot of flagrant use of Tranquility as punishment in Kirkwall, some mages do sign up for that willingly.

I'm pretty sure that most of the majority of mages (98%) who is willing to undergo this barbaric act was indocrinated to do so. The classic stockholm symdrome. Keili is a prime example of it. You take a group of people and put them in a prison like enviorment and then you start telling them that they're garbage to society, and that their entire existance is nothing but a curse. Patience is in the essense. Eventually you will have some who will agree with your harsh views.

Knight-Commander Greagoir and Knight-Commander Meredith doesn't hold back by letting you know that mages are curses and that they carry a curse.

Neither does history either recent or ancient.

Magic is a Curse within DA.

[AresKeith]

Lord Raijin wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

I'm pretty sure that most of the majority of mages (98%) who is willing to undergo this barbaric act was indocrinated to do so. The classic stockholm symdrome. 

lel

What does that mean?

Another word for lol and lulz

[Master Warder Z_]

AresKeith wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

I'm pretty sure that most of the majority of mages (98%) who is willing to undergo this barbaric act was indocrinated to do so. The classic stockholm symdrome. 

lel

It is a pretty laughable notion i agree.

[Lord Raijin]

Master Warder Z wrote...
Neither does history either recent or ancient.

Magic is a Curse within DA.

Says who? A bunch of old women living the luxury life in Val Royeaux?

[Lord Raijin]

AresKeith wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

I'm pretty sure that most of the majority of mages (98%) who is willing to undergo this barbaric act was indocrinated to do so. The classic stockholm symdrome. 

lel

What does that mean?

Another word for lol and lulz

I prefer not to confuse people and just use lol. Why must we create more abbreviations that means the same and has the same meaning? Perhabs I'm showing my age.

[AresKeith]

Knight-Commander Greagoir also called magic a gift along with it being a curse, which is true

[Willowhugger]

The Tranquil solution is kind of interesting because it exposes just how hypocritical the Templars and Chantry are. You could just kill every Mage they find as Orsino said and, at least, that's honest about your intentions and does what needs to be done.

Tranquility is so much worse because it makes a race of slaves because the Chantry needs their magical items to sell.

Edit:

Really, when you think about it, killing every single mage would be the "safe" thing to do but the Chantry and Templars keep mages alive for purely selfish reasons. They want their magic armor, fireballs, and magic swords so they more or less ignore the fact every mage is a potential walking gateway to hell.

If they actually cared about their "creed" they'd just kill all mages or forbid them from doing any magic period.

They don't, though, which means their creed is either flawed or they're unwilling to follow it.

Modifié par Willowhugger, 23 janvier 2014 - 05:37 .