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[Master Warder Z_]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
Neither does history either recent or ancient.

Magic is a Curse within DA.

Says who? A bunch of old women living the luxury life in Val Royeaux?

._. Ignoring that you have a mage at the head of nearly evey problem in the entire DA universe; Its generally either them or the Qunari.

Well not much.

Besides the fact Mages begat the Darkspawn, that in my eye alone is enough to plunge the entire world rid of them or at least lock them away for the safety of every one before i don't know they find a way to give the world another possible end of days. Oh wait they kept that up and gave us Titus who thought it was a grand old idea to restore to the Imperium and bring up a second empire of Slavery through Magic. Titus failed because a Mage when it just comes down to it really can't just stand up to a sword hacking him half regardless of Wizardry but the point remains.

You give them freedom and a hint of power and they covet the entire world as their own.

._. Seriously one possible end of the world after a next, what happens for their third act? They explode the Sun?

[Willowhugger]

Did the Mages create the Darkspawn?

While Legacy confirms the Magistars of Tevinter visited the Golden City and became Darkspawn, it also stated they did so directly because of Dumat.

In short, it seems the Old Gods are responsible for the Blight rather than magic.

Edit:

You give them freedom and a hint of power and they covet the entire world as their own.

To be fair, isn't that everybody? The Chantry, Qunari, Humans, and Elves have all shown themselves to be complete ****s.

Modifié par Willowhugger, 23 janvier 2014 - 05:42 .

[Master Warder Z_]

Willowhugger wrote...

The Tranquil solution is kind of interesting because it exposes just how hypocritical the Templars and Chantry are. You could just kill every Mage they find as Orsino said and, at least, that's honest about your intentions and does what needs to be done.

Tranquility is so much worse because it makes a race of slaves because the Chantry needs their magical items to sell.

Edit:

Really, when you think about it, killing every single mage would be the "safe" thing to do but the Chantry and Templars keep mages alive for purely selfish reasons. They want their magic armor, fireballs, and magic swords so they more or less ignore the fact every mage is a potential walking gateway to hell.

If they actually cared about their "creed" they'd just kill all mages or forbid them from doing any magic period.

They don't, though, which means their creed is either flawed or they're unwilling to follow it.

Are you ignoring the fact that mages are born every single day in Thedas and they and most often the Templars only become aware of a Mage a decade or more after birth?

Even if the Templars had the resources and manpower to converge a global mage hunt it would have to end once every fully grown hedge witch was beheaded and every mage within the circles slain.

But it wouldn't prevent more mages from being born, it wouldn't prevent mages born into the more rual parts of the world to come into their power and only be discovered years later.

._.

The Circle is the most logical and sustainable method present to the issue at the moment.

So...I wouldn't go poking the Hypocrite title at any one.

Sure the Chantry, Circle and Order benifit from the tranquil as does any one else with the coin to pay for enchanted goods and services, But the Rite also serves as a legit defense against possesion in all but the most hellish and obscure situations.

[Master Warder Z_]

Willowhugger wrote...

Did the Mages create the Darkspawn?

While Legacy confirms the Magistars of Tevinter visited the Golden City and became Darkspawn, it also stated they did so directly because of Dumat.

In short, it seems the Old Gods are responsible for the Blight rather than magic.

Edit:

You give them freedom and a hint of power and they covet the entire world as their own.

To be fair, isn't that everybody? The Chantry, Qunari, Humans, and Elves have all shown themselves to be complete ****s.

Last i checked only Mages entered the Golden City and were tossed out their rear and began the largest series of conflicts in recorded Theodisian History.

Sure the rest of the races are as you said  ***holes but they didn't give the world the most pressing and dangerous threat presented thus far.

And i am sorry i just completely disagree absolving them of personal respsonbility when the Old God didn't force them to slit the wrists of hundreds of slaves and blow through a small mountain's sized pile of Lyrium to enter the Fade and bring doom upon the world.

[Willowhugger]

Well, the solution there is the rather nasty one of killing every mage as soon as they're identified. Not teaching them magic so they can join together with their fellows and become a threat.

Take note, I'm saying this as a die-hard pro-mage terrorist.

The Circle is the most logical and sustainable method present to the issue at the moment.

I wouldn't say it's the most logical one as it basically leashes the Mages to a bunch of people who utterly hate them and sticks them together, which allows them to simultaneously seethe and resent their status as mages WHILE ALSO putting them in gigantic groups where they can join together and become a threat.

The Circles are basically very nice Alienages. It strikes me things might be better if Mages were kept separate from each other. Then they'd develop loyalty to the Dalish, Fereldan, Orlais, and other groups so they wouldn't be one gigantic massive power-block divroced from everybody else.

[Willowhugger]

Last i checked only Mages entered the Golden City and were tossed out their rear and began the largest series of conflicts in recorded Theodisian History.

Sure the rest of the races are as you said  ***holes but they didn't give the world the most pressing and dangerous threat presented thus far.

And i am sorry i just completely disagree absolving them of personal respsonbility when the Old God didn't force them to slit the wrists of hundreds of slaves and blow through a small mountain's sized pile of Lyrium to enter the Fade and bring doom upon the world.

I'm just saying that the Tevinter were catspaws for someone else. Yeah, mages were involved but it seems now that this was the plan of someone else and we should probably blame him for the Blight. It's sort of like how I don't blame Arl Eamon's son for all the **** which went down in Redcliffe.

Without Dumat, the Tevinter would have still been the world's worst place and that's bad but the whole Blight thing wouldn't have happened.

[AresKeith]

Willowhugger wrote...

Take note, I'm saying this as a die-hard pro-mage terrorist.

So don't take you serious?

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

AresKeith wrote...

Knight-Commander Greagoir also called magic a gift along with it being a curse, which is true

This.

[cjones91]

Gotto love how people blame all mages for something only a few did.

[Willowhugger]

So don't take you serious?

No, I'm saying the Templars and Chantry take half-measures. This is the consequences. If mages are really the ever-present threat they claim, kill them. If they're not, free them.

[Hellion Rex]

cjones91 wrote...

Gotto love how people blame all mages for something only a few did.

I don't...

[cjones91]

@ eluvianix,And some turn around and say not all humans should be blamed for what they did topeople such as the elves.....I just find the hypocrisy to be comical.

[AresKeith]

Willowhugger wrote...

So don't take you serious?

No, I'm saying the Templars and Chantry take half-measures. This is the consequences. If mages are really the ever-present threat they claim, kill them. If they're not, free them.

Maybe they take "half-measures" because they know mages aren't the ever-present threat but they are in-fact very dangerous

[AresKeith]

cjones91 wrote...

@ eluvianix,And some turn around and say not all humans should be blamed for what they did topeople such as the elves.....I just find the hypocrisy to be comical.

And the elves shouldn't get some of the blame

[Lotion Soronarr]

dragonflight288 wrote...

O_OotherSide wrote...

Imagine if he had the ability to brainwash people with blood magic to boot

But he doesn't, and he proved that someone without blood magic, or magic at all can be far more dangerous for so many people, an entire country and possibly the world in regards to the Blight, than your average mage.

a strawman. Loghian was a main in a singular position - one of extreeme political power.
Very few have it, and those that od have opposition in the form of other poeple with politicla power.

Not to mention that such people have to CONVICE others to follow them and can be realitvely easily removed with poison/assasination.

Meanwhile ANY mage can bring ruin to a country.

[cjones91]

Sure they do,but just like mages all elves are blamed for what their ancestors did,maybe those people who paint entire groups with broadstrokes should learn to seperate the individual from the group when it comes to acts.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Willowhugger wrote...

I wouldn't say it's the most logical one as it basically leashes the Mages to a bunch of people who utterly hate them and sticks them together, which allows them to simultaneously seethe and resent their status as mages WHILE ALSO putting them in gigantic groups where they can join together and become a threat.

Who would that be?

Because "temaplrs hate mages" is definately NOT true.
Not even in Kirkwall.
By Bethanies own admission.

[Laughing_Man]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

a strawman. Loghian was a main in a singular position - one of extreeme political power.
Very few have it, and those that od have opposition in the form of other poeple with politicla power.

Not to mention that such people have to CONVICE others to follow them and can be realitvely easily removed with poison/assasination.

Meanwhile ANY mage can bring ruin to a country.

Mages can also be killed by poison and assassination. Ask Zeveran.

And assuming that mages are free to take responsibility for themselves, you will always have Gandalfs and Dumbledores to counter the various cartoonish magical villains.

So in the end, it is similar.

[Hellion Rex]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Willowhugger wrote...

I wouldn't say it's the most logical one as it basically leashes the Mages to a bunch of people who utterly hate them and sticks them together, which allows them to simultaneously seethe and resent their status as mages WHILE ALSO putting them in gigantic groups where they can join together and become a threat.

Who would that be?

Because "temaplrs hate mages" is definately NOT true.
Not even in Kirkwall.
By Bethanies own admission.

Bethany was simply protected by Hawke's reputation (as a noble and Champion and the fact that Cullen said he'd keep an eye on her. While that doesn't vilify every templar in Kirkwall, neither does it say they were all nice.

[Laughing_Man]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Because "temaplrs hate mages" is definately NOT true.

DA2 is full of templars that disagree to one degree or another.

[AresKeith]

TheRedVipress wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

a strawman. Loghian was a main in a singular position - one of extreeme political power.
Very few have it, and those that od have opposition in the form of other poeple with politicla power.

Not to mention that such people have to CONVICE others to follow them and can be realitvely easily removed with poison/assasination.

Meanwhile ANY mage can bring ruin to a country.

Mages can also be killed by poison and assassination. Ask Zeveran.

And assuming that mages are free to take responsibility for themselves, you will always have Gandalfs and Dumbledores to counter the various cartoonish magical villains.

So in the end, it is similar.

There's only one Gandalf and Dumbledore, no mage can match those two

[AresKeith]

TheRedVipress wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Because "temaplrs hate mages" is definately NOT true.

DA2 is full of templars that disagree to one degree or another.

Implying Kirkwall = all templars, and even that isn't true to an extent

[Cainhurst Crow]

TheRedVipress wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Because "temaplrs hate mages" is definately NOT true.

DA2 is full of templars that disagree to one degree or another.

and DAO is full of templars who don't follow that sentiment, and DA2 has templars that even go farther to saying we all should work together fully.

So I guess we're now at an impass. Both exists, both in large numbers, and no way to prove one way or another whose more correct.

[Hellion Rex]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Because "temaplrs hate mages" is definately NOT true.

DA2 is full of templars that disagree to one degree or another.

and DAO is full of templars who don't follow that sentiment, and DA2 has templars that even go farther to saying we all should work together fully.

So I guess we're now at an impass. Both exists, both in large numbers, and no way to prove one way or another whose more correct.

Hush. We don't need your logic here. Move along.<_<

[Laughing_Man]

AresKeith wrote...

There's only one Gandalf and Dumbledore, no mage can match those two

Not true.
If you take Harry Potter as an example, Dumbldore was merely a symbol for a large group of sane magic users.