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[Splinter Cell 108]

Always, I dislike her negativism about the crew. Implying that aliens would care more about themselves than others. If she doesn't like aliens she can go work on a ship where everyone is a human. Besides I don't understand why everyone hates Kaidan anyways. I don't find his whining annoying or at least I haven't heard as much whining as everyone claims to have heard.

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 10 juin 2010 - 02:14 .

[SpatFieya]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Always, I dislike her negativism about the crew. Implying that aliens would care more about themselves than others. If she doesn't like aliens she can go work on a ship where everyone is a human. Besides I don't understand why everyone hates Kaidan anyways. I don't find his whining annoying or at least I haven't heard as much whining as everyone claims to have heard.

Kaidan just gives his honest opinion and tells it how it is.

Plus he kicked a Turian so hard in the face, he killed him. That gave him so many awesome points.

[Raverous]

On my very first play through of ME1 I let Ashley die because it was implied that if Kaidan died then the mission would have failed. I don't remember exactly what was said but it was something like "Kaidan is the only one who can detonate the bomb" so in the interest of the greater good I saved him.



That save has been gone for a long time now, no clue what changes in me2. I can't imagine it being too different than the Ashley encounter.

[tmk]

ReconTeam wrote...

tonnactus wrote...
Yes. Saving kaidan is the only option for someone that deserved to be called a commander.

Umm why? Shouldn't saving the salarian STG team matter?

Funny thing is, STG team actually survives regardless of who you save or where you land (assuming you didn't kill them off with previous decisions).

[Some Dude]

Usually save Ash.

Always liked her.

[Knickerus]

First playthrough I saved her for the Paramour achievement. Second one I let that **** die with the bomb. On this one I'm gonna let her die again.

[tonnactus]

ReconTeam wrote...

tonnactus wrote...
Yes. Saving kaidan is the only option for someone that deserved to be called a commander.

Umm why? Shouldn't saving the salarian STG team matter?

Kaidan could be part of this team.(but he armed the bomb because it make sense i my case)

But shepardt has to decide about his team and who is a more valuable team of it. Kaidan is one of the rare human biotics and a superior officer compared to ashley.

[tonnactus]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...
 I don't find his whining annoying or at least I haven't heard as much whining as everyone claims to have heard.

The whole Mass Effect 2 squad is full of "whiners" for far less reasons kaidan have.(except subject zero who has good reasons for it and samara)

[CaptainZaysh]

tonnactus wrote...

Yes. Saving kaidan is the only option for someone that deserved to be called a commander...

shepardt has to decide about his team and who is a more valuable team of it. Kaidan is one of the rare human biotics and a superior officer compared to ashley.

Speaking as a former soldier: if it's a straight choice between an officer and a soldier over which one of us gets to evac, I would expect the officer to make the sacrifice.  The way you're suggesting would be pretty awful for morale.

"Only one of us can get out of here!  It had better be me really.  Good luck, old boy!  Toodle pip!"

[incinerator950]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

Yes. Saving kaidan is the only option for someone that deserved to be called a commander...

shepardt has to decide about his team and who is a more valuable team of it. Kaidan is one of the rare human biotics and a superior officer compared to ashley.

Speaking as a former soldier: if it's a straight choice between an officer and a soldier over which one of us gets to evac, I would expect the officer to make the sacrifice.  The way you're suggesting would be pretty awful for morale.

"Only one of us can get out of here!  It had better be me really.  Good luck, old boy!  Toodle pip!"

Yes, the officer is considered more valuable, but the Officer in general with good morals would take the bullet for team.

As for the topic, I chose Ashley, simply because A: I didn't like either Kaidan or Ashley, and B: I'm not saving her simply because she has a snatch.  

[tonnactus]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

Yes. Saving kaidan is the only option for someone that deserved to be called a commander...

shepardt has to decide about his team and who is a more valuable team of it. Kaidan is one of the rare human biotics and a superior officer compared to ashley.

Speaking as a former soldier: if it's a straight choice between an officer and a soldier over which one of us gets to evac, I would expect the officer to make the sacrifice.  The way you're suggesting would be pretty awful for morale.

"Only one of us can get out of here!  It had better be me really.  Good luck, old boy!  Toodle pip!"

Are there any examples in history where the commanding officer decided this way??? And how much?
I would bet there are more cases that the more valuable soldier is rescued then otherwise.

Modifié par tonnactus, 10 juin 2010 - 06:32 .

[Slayer299]

I have never killed Ashley off with either my MaleShep or my femShep, even if Kaidan was my LI. Because I really like her charachter waaayy more than Kaidan.

Modifié par Slayer299, 10 juin 2010 - 07:19 .

[CaptainZaysh]

tonnactus wrote...

Are there any examples in history where the commanding officer decided this way??? And how much?
I would bet there are more cases that the more valuable soldier is rescued then otherwise.

Yeah, absolutely.  There are lots of examples of officers refusing to evac before their men.  I think it's normal behaviour for officers to evac last (it might even be a naval regulation that the captain is the last man off the ship).

In fact, yeah, it's a legal military requirement that officers not "shamefully abandon" the units under their command:
http://usmilitary.ab...fo/mcm/bl99.htm

I think this is one of those things that might not be immediately apparent to people outside the military, but the way I see it: preserving the army's faith in the chain of command is more important than preserving individual commanders.

[Jonathan Shepard]

Most of the time, yeah... I've actually never not gone back to the bomb site... it really depends on who is at the bomb, versus who isn't. And since I've always gone back to the bomb... Kaidan's a tech expert. Seems like Ashley would be better off helping the Salarians while Kaidan set up the bomb. A logical choice, rather than actual preference. I like both Kaidan and Ashley equally. But I don't like either of them much.

[MassDestroyer]

I did I say kill the freaken alien racist

[didiware]

I've only played as male once, and I saved Ashley. The other times (as fem) I saved Kaidan wheter or not he was my LI. He's just more interesting, I guess. Not that I don't like Ash, but I hardly used her on missions and sometimes she got on my nerves (all that alienhatred etc.).

[drunken pyromaniac]

Why won't this ****ing thread die?

[Christmas Ape]

Because people keep posting in it, even those compelled to click on it, read its contents, and formulate a reply solely to complain about people clicking on it, reading its contents, and formulating replies?

[SleepyBird]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

Yes. Saving kaidan is the only option for someone that deserved to be called a commander...

shepardt has to decide about his team and who is a more valuable team of it. Kaidan is one of the rare human biotics and a superior officer compared to ashley.

Speaking as a former soldier: if it's a straight choice between an officer and a soldier over which one of us gets to evac, I would expect the officer to make the sacrifice.  The way you're suggesting would be pretty awful for morale.

"Only one of us can get out of here!  It had better be me really.  Good luck, old boy!  Toodle pip!"

Kaidan does exactly what you are suggesting a good officer should do - he argues that Shepard should save Ashley.  He DOES offer to "make the sacrifice."  However the choice isn't his to make, it's Shepard's. 

And in my Shepard's opinion, he is not only a more valuable squadmate, but he is protecting a more critical postion to the mission (as a techie, it makes more sense to send him with the bomb and let Ash go with the Salarians).   

[Illgor]

 i let kaidan die

[Heather Cline]

I played female and I killed Kaiden. I liked Ashley a lot. Even with her belief in a higher power. Kaiden was too... cold, he didn't show much emotion at all. Yes he did raise his voice from time to time, but he didn't have much depth if any. Ashley was better and had more depth so I kept her around.

[Aggie Punbot]

I see most people go back and save whoever's at the bomb. I did discover once purely by accident that if you save the team at the AA tower instead that you'll save the salarian team as well. You'll even be able to chat with them for a short time on the Normandy. Sadly, that was done before I knew that you could save captain Kirrahe so he wasn't there.

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 13 juin 2010 - 06:04 .

[Pacifien]

The Salarian team is actually on the Normandy even if you go for the bomb, though I think it would have been more interesting if you only saw them if you went to the AA tower.