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[Estelindis]

Teclo wrote...
Garrus, Wrex, Liara and Tali all have enough apparent personality in the current events of the game, conveyed via how you recruit them, their personal missions or their general comments throughout the game. Ash has less than them but still a reasonable amount. Kaidan has pretty much none. He's just a generic Mary Sue (or whatever the male equivalent is) and his one bit of personality is revealed in that one story about how he got angry at the turian instructor and killed him .

Incidentally, compare that to Joker. His personality is conveyed very much in the present tense, there's only a brief little story about his past, the rest is relayed through his actions and words about what's currently happening.

The way I see it, Joker and Kaidan both tell you brief stories about their past training, and these stories give you an interpretive lens for their present personalities.  Why is Kaidan so reserved and self-controlled?  Because of the negative consequences of his loss of control in BAaT.  Why is Joker so smart-mouthed with authority figures?  Because he had to be the best when he was training in order to justify his presence despite his condition, and he knows he's succeeded in doing that (though you can see flashes of persistent insecurity about it).  The difference between them, really, is that with Kaidan a lot of his personality resides in what he refrains from doing or saying - the courses of action he hesitates to take, rather than those he does.  It can be more difficult to notice, but the characterisation is there.

And, FYI, the male equivalent of a Mary Sue is a Marty Stu.    I don't think Kaidan is one, but feel free to check out the description and see for yourself.  (If anything, Shepard is the ultimate Sue / Stu.)

Modifié par Estelindis, 04 août 2010 - 05:32 .

[Mecha Tengu]

Bros before Hoes

[PsyrenY]

Estelindis wrote...
And, FYI, the male equivalent of a Mary Sue is a Marty Stu.    I don't think Kaidan is one, but feel free to check out the description and see for yourself.  (If anything, Shepard is the ultimate Sue / Stu.)

Agreed. This is why there shouldn't be any movies/books/other EU material where Shepard is the protagonist, because he/she is just too larger-than-life to empathize with unless we're actually playing him/her.

It's sort of poetic justice when Morinth actually exploits Shepard's St/ue-ishness. "No, it'll be okay, we can totally do it! You're such a special snowflake after all, you have the Cipher, you're such a great leader, the Reapers know you by name, you're the centerpiece of the whole galaxy! You can totally survive my horrible, brain-hemmorhaging soul-sucking... I mean, we can have a totally awesome evening together!"

OT: My (gay) male Shepard killed Ash.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 06 août 2010 - 04:03 .

[Juls1616]

I only saved her once but after that I always let her die because I can't stand her

[Super ._. Shepard]

she was a arrogant **** but good in combat

[RussellKP]

Yes I did.  By her nature, I just felt she didn't need to be around.  Plus there was the family honor thing with her Grandfather.

[masseffectexpert94]

i didn't or more like couldn't

[Falross]

I let her die, since it felt like a better story choice. I didn't have much of a connection to kaiden, so it felt like it was a tougher choice to let her die. How messed up is that? I can't kill you because I don't know you well enough o.O.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah. I let her die because A. I prefer Kaidan and B. Kaidan was with the bomb which was more important to protect.

[darknoon5]

I quite liked Kaidan, but usually it downs to chance. In my main playthrough, I wanted Kirrahe to survive, and new from him the nuke can't be stopped once activated anyway, so I went to save Kirrahe and Kaidan.

[TRISTAN WERBE]

Yeah she was a **** liara much better choice

[MrDizazta]

Bros b4 hoes



Plus imo Kaidan is way more useful then the generic soldier that is Ashley Williams. I mean she was so outclassed by Wrex and Soldier Shep that I never saw any reason to take her alone anywhere. I mean sure, Wrex can't use pistols or Sniper Rifles well, but he has Assult Rifles and shotgun. I addition Wrex is a far better tank than Ashley, being able to wear heavy armor, use Immunity, and use Barrier.



As for Kaidan, he was usually my medic. I pumped up his first aid so I didn't have to waste into mine. Also he fills when I need both Biotics and Tech. He is the ultimate CC.

[dmblackone]

I did, because she's such a racist *****.

[Time Victim]

I didn't even have to think about it. I really never liked her.

[freeeekshow]

 I loved kaidan, and ashley was my L.I., i decided to kill kaidan.
my ideology was this: im gunna have a different love intrest in ME2, so i dont really care, and in ME2 (spoiler: whichever one you save gets mad at you, ) so id rather have that be ashley, the girl i one timed over my BFF from mass effect one. kaidan dies with honor. anyone agree with me?

[Bad King]

I ussually let her die on my male playthroughs. Kaidan is more handy in fights IMO.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

One of my maleshep killed off Ashley. Kaiden's a better squadmate and Liara's so far a more interesting LI & squadmate to me.

[jeweledleah]

Ashley dies on all but one play through, male or female Shep. I don't dislike her, but I just like Kaidan better. I honestly don't see how he's anywhere near being Mary sue (or Gary stu) he's not all powerful, while he tries to be a reasonable, peace maker, he still loses temper, he's doesn't always say the right thing and the right time, and while in general people around him like him, its not universal "like from the first sight" sort of thing. in fact, Wrex delights in ribbing him, I don't think he respects Kaidan much precisely because Kaidan tends to overthink things. I believe he even clashed with both Garrus and Tali on a few occasions.

I think people like to think of him as boring precisely because he's not Mary sue. he's not heroic, or tragic, or in need of fixing from the outside, or all powerful, or anything of that nature.

[Cadaver19]

I killed ashley because she is a racist, and has religious conviction. I only wish i could have left them both, that is my only real complaint about the first game.

[ADLegend21]

Nope Because Ashley's the best Damn female in ME1.

[Babyblue]

Cadaver19 wrote...

I killed ashley because she is a racist, and has religious conviction. I only wish i could have left them both, that is my only real complaint about the first game.

Well you and half the people in the thread are trolls, or stupid, so I wont waste time telling you how Ash ain't racist. The fact there is more evidence to prove that she ain't racist than is, should be enough. Even the word from Chris L'Etoile, Ashleys writer that Ash ain't racist, how can you disagree with the person who wrote her?! 

I would also like to add, how judgemental, idiotic and down right shallow must you be to dislike someone for being religous! Especially if you think she is racist! How can you judge someone for apparenlty being ''racist'', if you hate religious people! Get yourself a education, you judgemental, pathetic, fool.

Funny how obvious Ash and Kaidan hate threads dont get locked, even after months of obnoxious trolls, and yet the mods will shut down a Tali hate thread in less than a hour. How biased is this forum?

[pharos_gryphon]

I let her die every single playthrough. When it comes right down to it, Kaiden makes more sense to save as the bomb is your priority, he was your squadmate far longer so there should more loyalty to him over someone you just met like a week previous, he's the more likable of the two characters, and out of principle what with him being the m/m romance option that got cut. *shakes fist*

[PrinceLionheart]

I did once. Never again.

[ADLegend21]

pharos_gryphon wrote...

I let her die every single playthrough. When it comes right down to it, Kaiden makes more sense to save as the bomb is your priority, he was your squadmate far longer so there should more loyalty to him over someone you just met like a week previous, he's the more likable of the two characters, and out of principle what with him being the m/m romance option that got cut. *shakes fist*

ACTUALLY before the mission Kirrahe says once the bomb is armed there's no stopping it. once it's armed whoevers with the bomb SHOULD come up to the AA tower and everyone gets off the planet. The Geth can't stop the bomb and neither can saren, plus Ashley's just that damn amazing.

[Interactive Civilian]

I did, once. But, I was kind of metagaming when I did it. I'd been wooing her as a love interest, and wanted to see if there was any change in Shepard after her death due to that.



Disappointingly, there was not. Not even a moment of "the girl I was falling for is dead, I'm gonna make Saren really pay". Just the usual.