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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Lord Raijin wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

I didn't care too much for hawke's background, just have a problem with the fact that while my warden was risking his life to fight the blight Hawke was running away from it. I have to say after playing DA:O several times under several characters I am ashamed to play as a Hawke. I feel like a coward. I did not contribute to protect my country instead I ran away from it.

I don't want to play as a character with a filthy coward background like Hawke.

Well, from what we have been told so far the Inquisitor is definately more a Warden than a Hawke character. Sole survivor of a Veil Tear, or at least that's what I got out of it, leading the groups to order to seal them again.

I restricted myself from reading and watching anymore spoilers from the incoming game so I don't know anything about the history of our Inquisitor, however how can he/she be a sole survivor of the veil tear? That must be a mistake.

I said A Veil Tear, not The Veil Tear. The Veil Tear is the culmination of a bunch of smaller tears. They mention it in one of the Gameinformer interviews.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Well untill uoy are put up agenst a wall by demonic hell spawn army that just decimated your nations army and slaughtered your town you will never know. honestly Hawke played the smart card tactical withdrawl save your family.. well some of them at least. heroes tend to wind up dead just read Crossed.

[Spectre slayer]

Who knows, we really don't have a lot of knowledge of the backgrounds and what their history is just, besides the Dwarven one which is Cadash a former house from Orzaarmaar that was thought to be wiped out by Kal'Sharok along time ago and I doubt they are still a noble house anymore and us being a surfacer dwarf means we are no longer a member of any house and lost all rights.

I really don't know anything about the humam one which is Trevelyan, so maybe it's possible that we could be a noble.

Also about backgrounds, let me be clear the ones that are out are the diverse semi choosable ones ala the Orgins in DAO where we had the option of being Dalish or a City elf or an Noble or a Commoner dwarf that were playable and started us off in different places.

What's in are preset backgrounds tied to your race and class. For example the elven mage is confirmed to be Dalish and it's surname according to the demo is Lavellan and they are more like the ones in the mass effect series and a mere blurb of information that is unchoosable, no different orgins, and most likely not playable.

They don't really affect all that much since every character regardless of race will start off the game the same way but they will have vastly different reasons for being at the veil tear based on our backgrounds.

Making your mark podcast from nerd appropriate is a good place for some information, to be more specific the 20-26 minutes they talk abit about Qunari and that one sequence will be very hard if not almost impossible to finish, that there's no unique orgins and the different reasons for being at the veil tear part.

Anyway the ones showed so far are

Aryn Cadash Female Dwarven Warrior
Makkon Trevelyan Male Human Warrior
Talvin Adaar Male Qunari Rogue
Shandal Lavellan Female Dalish Mage

There's probably only 7 backgrounds, 1 each for every warrior+ rogue race combo and 3 separate diverse ones for mages.

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 30 décembre 2013 - 03:38 .

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

@Lord Raijin

What else could they do? they lost at ostagar, the darkspawn arrived to attack lothering & bethany/mage hawke were illegal apostates that would be risking getting arrested & sent to the circle

Modifié par Threat300, 30 décembre 2013 - 03:37 .

[KC_Prototype]

What's wrong with the rags to riches story? I'm guessing the human warrior/rogue will be a Ferelden noble so yeah, I'm sure you can be a noble.

[SgtSteel91]

Threat300 wrote...

@Lord Raijin

What else could they do? they lost at ostagar, the darkspawn arrived to attack lothering & bethany/mage hawke were illegal apostates that would be risking getting arrested & sent to the circle

Plus they had their mother to worry about. They can't just leave her to fend for herself. Perhaps they went to Kirkwall with plans to leave her with her brother and go back to Fereldan to fight the Blight. But instead they get sold off to indentured servitude for a year and by the time they paid off the debts the Blight was over.

Sure they could have gone back to Fereldan after the Blight but there were more opportunities to get rich and build a new home in Kirkwall than rebuild their old one in a country devesated from a Blight.

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 30 décembre 2013 - 04:44 .

[Celtic Latino]

I'm assuming it depends on the race/class combo.

One of the dwarven surnames is 'Cadash' (dwarf warrior if I'm correct), who are one of the warrior castes (or were). That ranks them as at least middle class if they are from Orzammar and possibly middle class as a surfacer.

I'm quite sure at least the human warrior is a noble. There's always at least one human noble in every DA isn't there? The human rogue is probably a spy/bard and the human mage is most likely a Chantry mage of some renown.

If there's any peasants it's more likely to be the elven and dwarven rogue.

[SgtSteel91]

Do we know which country the human character is from?

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 30 décembre 2013 - 03:54 .

[Tatsumaki]

HiroVoid wrote...

Only if you play on consoles.

[Fire Snake]

Is it possible to be a filthy rich peasant?

[leaguer of one]

Angrywolves wrote...

Didn't consider hawke a peasant.

Thadus trash then?

[valkulon]

HiroVoid wrote...

Only if you play on consoles.

I'm a dirty console peasant and I stil laughed.

[Orian Tabris]

HiroVoid wrote...

Only if you play on consoles.

OMG! YES! xD

BTW, I am the original Dragon-Age-on-console-hater! *puts on hipster glasses*

Dragon Age should NEVER be played on a console! In fact, so far, NONE of BioWare's games should be played on a console... well, except for maybe Mass Effect 1-3 (I'm not sure since I've never played them).

Modifié par Orian Tabris, 30 décembre 2013 - 04:13 .

[In Exile]

Hawke wasn't a peasant. Ignoring the part where you're a noble for 6/7 years in Kirkwall, he was raised by nobility and a mage, who are far more educated than even most nobles. Hawke had the kind of upbringing most peasants couldn't even dream about.

[Orian Tabris]

Lord Raijin wrote...

What did Hawke, Bethany and Carver do to protect their home country against the blight? From what I got out of playing DA2 they deserted their country.

Hawke and Carver were at Ostagar. The battle that failed so miserably that even Duncan and King Cailan died. In fact, Hawke and Carver were one of at most, like 20 or 30 survivors of the Battle of Ostagar (Hawke, Carver, Wynne, Uldred, Seneschal Varel, the Warden, Alistair, plus a small unknown amount of no-name characters, probably never seen by the player).

In fact, the only people who protected their country from the Blight and were at Ostagar, were the Warden and Alistair (and maybe Loghain), both of whom had probably the easiest job there (lighting the Tower of Ostagar, which Loghain had intended to use as an alibi so he could desert the battle). And even the Warden and Alistair only survived because Flemeth saved them... after they got shot down by darkspawn arrows!

Really, the Hawke family was lucky to survive Lothering.

[Cylan Cooper]

Hawke wasn't really a peasant in Lothering. Commoners, yes, but as In Exile pointed out, they were raised by two educated individuals and likely did fairly alright for themselves once they stopped running.

As for the Hawke family running away from the Blight, what else did you expect them to do? Hawke, Bethany, and Carver are three people with nothing special about their standing in Fereldan. They weren't Wardens and a Blight was coming that they had no way of knowing would be stopped within a year. Considering they had a mother to take care of and family in Kirkwall, they did what they thought was logical.

I guess it's the Loghain in me that is trying to say that running from an encroaching army that is the closest thing Thedas has to pure evil is hardly cowardice.

[Magdalena11]

Lord Raijin wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

I didn't care too much for hawke's background, just have a problem with the fact that while my warden was risking his life to fight the blight Hawke was running away from it. I have to say after playing DA:O several times under several characters I am ashamed to play as a Hawke. I feel like a coward. I did not contribute to protect my country instead I ran away from it.

I don't want to play as a character with a filthy coward background like Hawke.

Well, from what we have been told so far the Inquisitor is definately more a Warden than a Hawke character. Sole survivor of a Veil Tear, or at least that's what I got out of it, leading the groups to order to seal them again.

I restricted myself from reading and watching anymore spoilers from the incoming game so I don't know anything about the history of our Inquisitor, however how can he/she be a sole survivor of the veil tear? That must be a mistake.

Obviously, other people did survive because how else would Inky get allies and have to deal with the warring factions and get companions or everything else.  The official trailer does give out that he or she is the sole survivor of something, though.  Maybe that big rift wiped out a village or something and Inky was the only one left who could see how it began?

We'll just have to wait and see.

[Sifr]

Lord Raijin wrote...

What did Hawke, Bethany and Carver do to protect their home country against the blight? From what I got out of playing DA2 they deserted their country.

As one of the dialogue options points out;

"King Cailan was betrayed, there's nothing for me here".

Warrior/Rogue Hawke and Carver had served their King and country and everybody died. Loghain had abandoned everyone to die, the country was poised to enter a Civil War and Darkspawn were on the march, having already wiped out their home village.

Hawke would have likely ended up being killed fighting in the Civil War rather than fighting against the horde. And I really doubt that Loghain wouldn't want to silence Ostargar survivors from revealing what really happened at the battle, so if Hawke had been press-ganged into Loghain's army, they'd likely have ended up in "Operation: Human Shield" .

As for Mage Hawke, how exactly would they save Ferelden, aside from going up to the nearest Templar and announcing they're an apostate and want to help? They'd be either run through or thrown in the Circle, where they'd likely have died during Uldred's rebellion!

Why is knowing how screwed the country is and wanting to get out of dodge at all cowardly? It's the only smart thing to do!

Modifié par Sifr1449, 30 décembre 2013 - 06:55 .

[Veruin]

Sifr1449 wrote...
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Raijin is trying to pull the "It's a RPG so I should be able to do what I want" card.  He even made a thread basically saying to forget the inquisition and that he just wanted to help the mages full time.

[TheBlackBaron]

I think the better question is are we going to be a filthy casual like Hawke again?

[Fredward]

The whole idea of nobility is that you're parentage somehow makes you superior. Hawke wasn't a peasant. S/he was a poor, landless noble.

[Sifr]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

The whole idea of nobility is that you're parentage somehow makes you superior. Hawke wasn't a peasant. S/he was a poor, landless noble.

Exactly. I'd want to play another character like Hawke, since what's the fun in being a prince who's handed everything?

One of the best parts of Hawke's character was they were a self-made wo/man, who even after becoming a noble, wasn't afraid to roll up their sleeves and actually do something in that city, while the rest of high society were sitting around twiddling their thumbs?

[DRTJR]

Elves can be Magisters thus they could also be Nobility.

Hawke was of Noble blood, the Amells where a family with a long and proud history in Kirkwall.

[Orian Tabris]

Veruin wrote...

Sifr1449 wrote...
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Raijin is trying to pull the "It's a RPG so I should be able to do what I want" card.  He even made a thread basically saying to forget the inquisition and that he just wanted to help the mages full time.

2 things.

1. I was the first person to quote exactly what he quoted, so you should have quoted me instead, unless you and Sifr1449 are friends or something.

2. He wasn't pulling the "It's an RPG so I should be able to do what I want" card... THIS time. I remember that thread he made. He just doesn't know the difference between giving up, and adapting to the situation.

I consider Lord Raijin to be the biggest troublemaker and whiner of all time on the Dragon Age: Inquisitor General Discussion forum, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be corrected for his blind stuipidity. I mean, it's not like he's intentionally trolling.

[DarthSliver]

Orian Tabris wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

What did Hawke, Bethany and Carver do to protect their home country against the blight? From what I got out of playing DA2 they deserted their country.

Hawke and Carver were at Ostagar. The battle that failed so miserably that even Duncan and King Cailan died. In fact, Hawke and Carver were one of at most, like 20 or 30 survivors of the Battle of Ostagar (Hawke, Carver, Wynne, Uldred, Seneschal Varel, the Warden, Alistair, plus a small unknown amount of no-name characters, probably never seen by the player).

In fact, the only people who protected their country from the Blight and were at Ostagar, were the Warden and Alistair (and maybe Loghain), both of whom had probably the easiest job there (lighting the Tower of Ostagar, which Loghain had intended to use as an alibi so he could desert the battle). And even the Warden and Alistair only survived because Flemeth saved them... after they got shot down by darkspawn arrows!

Really, the Hawke family was lucky to survive Lothering.

I am sure Duncan and Cailan had a better chance of surviving if Loghain had not quit the battle like a coward. So another way to look at it Hawke wouldnt have needed to leave Feralden in the first place if Loghain had actually stayed during Ostagar.