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[Orian Tabris]

DarthSliver wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

What did Hawke, Bethany and Carver do to protect their home country against the blight? From what I got out of playing DA2 they deserted their country.

Hawke and Carver were at Ostagar. The battle that failed so miserably that even Duncan and King Cailan died. In fact, Hawke and Carver were one of at most, like 20 or 30 survivors of the Battle of Ostagar (Hawke, Carver, Wynne, Uldred, Seneschal Varel, the Warden, Alistair, plus a small unknown amount of no-name characters, probably never seen by the player).

In fact, the only people who protected their country from the Blight and were at Ostagar, were the Warden and Alistair (and maybe Loghain), both of whom had probably the easiest job there (lighting the Tower of Ostagar, which Loghain had intended to use as an alibi so he could desert the battle). And even the Warden and Alistair only survived because Flemeth saved them... after they got shot down by darkspawn arrows!

Really, the Hawke family was lucky to survive Lothering.

I am sure Duncan and Cailan had a better chance of surviving if Loghain had not quit the battle like a coward. So another way to look at it Hawke wouldnt have needed to leave Feralden in the first place if Loghain had actually stayed during Ostagar.

Indeed.

By the way, you meant Loghain was a coward in the way goody-goodies consider a bad person to be a coward for being immoral, despite the fact that they aren't technically afraid at all of the thing they are supposedly being cowardly about, right? He left the battle because he didn't like how Cailan wanted/expected help from Orlais, not because he was afraid of dying or getting hurt.

[Fire Snake]

What information do we have about the protagonist's background? The last thing I recall is that the selection of non-playable character backgrounds was scrapped in favour of greater reactivity for class & race choice. Is this all we know? So we could be anything from a filthy peasant to a mysophobic noble? Is there one set background for everyone irrespective of race or does each race have a separate unique one?

[Kalas Magnus]

Fire Snake wrote...

Osena109 wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Only if you play on consoles.

lmao 

lmao

nice

[Fire Snake]

Okay, answering my own question after actually looking for an answer myself. Revolutionary, I know.

David Gaider said;
"There's too much reactivity during the game to that initial choice to allow for both race options as well as background options for each race. Much as that sounds cool to anyone who believe more is more, in this case it would have to come with the cost of either removing planned content from each of those variations (so they're individually smaller in scope) or... from somewhere else. We didn't want to do that, so the race/class combo effectively becomes the new background choice (along with all the subsequent reactivity)."

So does this mean that there will be 12 unique backgrounds? (Elven mage, warrior, rogue; Dwarven w,w,r etc) Sure they are non-playable, so what will be the extent of their description? Will there be a little video vignette for each or simply some text and maybe pretty pictures? I am curious as to how this will work, though I suppose they can't tell us as it would spoil how the game begins and we get caught up within *great events*

[Matthew Ryder]

HiroVoid wrote...

Only if you play on consoles.

Peasant > Master Race

Modifié par ThatDude, 30 décembre 2013 - 09:09 .

[Lord Raijin]

Threat300 wrote...

@Lord Raijin

What else could they do? they lost at ostagar, the darkspawn arrived to attack lothering & bethany/mage hawke were illegal apostates that would be risking getting arrested & sent to the circle

Morrigan is an illegal apostate and the templars from the lothering Chantry didn't seem to be that eager to arrest her and take her to the circle, especially during the dialogue with Knight-Commander Bryant. If you tell him that you're a mage she comes in and lets him know that she is a mage as well. Bryant doesn't call his templars to arrest my warden nor her because that is not in his highest priority, especially since theirs no guards or soldiers to protect the refugees.

Right after Meredith found out about your Hawke magic talent she could have sent your mage champion straight to the circle after the Qunari rebellion had ended, but since you've proven yourself worthy, the templars didn't seem to care for your mages apperence in the city as an Illegal apostate for as long as you don't do anything stupid.

Veruin wrote...

Sifr1449 wrote...
Snip

Raijin
is trying to pull the "It's a RPG so I should be able to do what I
want" card.  He even made a thread basically saying to forget the
inquisition and that he just wanted to help the mages full time.

I do want to play a big part of the mages/templar war in Inquisition, since I've became emotionally invested after DA2 and Asunder. I want to be responsible for ending it by siding with the mages or the templars... or be netural. Since I'm very pro Circle I want to have the choice, as an Inquisitior, to force the Chantry to surrender ownership of the Circles and hand it over the countries government.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Viva le revelution...isnt that what a 360 is?

[Ieldra]

Fire Snake wrote...
Okay, answering my own question after actually looking for an answer myself. Revolutionary, I know.

David Gaider said;
"There's too much reactivity during the game to that initial choice to allow for both race options as well as background options for each race. Much as that sounds cool to anyone who believe more is more, in this case it would have to come with the cost of either removing planned content from each of those variations (so they're individually smaller in scope) or... from somewhere else. We didn't want to do that, so the race/class combo effectively becomes the new background choice (along with all the subsequent reactivity)."

So does this mean that there will be 12 unique backgrounds? (Elven mage, warrior, rogue; Dwarven w,w,r etc) Sure they are non-playable, so what will be the extent of their description? Will there be a little video vignette for each or simply some text and maybe pretty pictures? I am curious as to how this will work, though I suppose they can't tell us as it would spoil how the game begins and we get caught up within *great events*

Yes, that's how I read it: 12 unique backgrounds with no playable sequences. I agree with David Gaider that fewer choices with higher reactivity are to be preferred, as long as there is a significant number of backgrounds altogether. 12 is quite enough and it's already a lot of work making the game react to those. I'm very much ok with it.

(I consider it possible that they'll pare it down to 8 by combining the non-mage classes. That would be disappointing)

As for the original question: Hawke never came across as a "dirty peasant" (read: ignorant country bumpkin) to me. With Malcolm's mage education and Leandra's noble background, I always imagined that theirs would've been a rather educated household, regardless of where they were living.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 décembre 2013 - 11:07 .

[Star fury]

HiroVoid wrote...

Only if you play on consoles.

[Battlebloodmage]

HiroVoid wrote...

Only if you play on consoles.

Damn it, I was midway typing that before reading your comment. 

On the topic: I'm sure every race has their own backstory since they did say that origin stories (Similar to ME not DAO) are now becoming the race's background instead. 

[Augustei]

Filthy peasant? I don't know what character you played but mine was the Viscount of Kirkwall

[Spectre slayer]

They were looking into making different sets for each race but it sounded like they were leaning towards fewer backgrounds that have more depth and content that, we can explore in game but it just won't have to much impact on the game besides giving our inquisitors different reasons for being at the opening sequence, some quests, information on them and history but that's about it.

People will be reacting to our race+ class+specialization and us being the inquisitor rather than our background.

Right now it's sounding like 7 would be the most likely amount, with 11 being the maximum number and probably the least likely but they haven't officially said the exact number so right now it's in between 7-11.

[Uccio]

Kalas Magnus wrote...

Fire Snake wrote...

Osena109 wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Only if you play on consoles.

lmao 

lmao

nice

Word.

[In Exile]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Yes, that's how I read it: 12 unique backgrounds with no playable sequences. I agree with David Gaider that fewer choices with higher reactivity are to be preferred, as long as there is a significant number of backgrounds altogether. 12 is quite enough and it's already a lot of work making the game react to those. I'm very much ok with it.

I don't think so. At most, it would be: 

1. Elven Mage (Dalish)
2. Human Mage (Circle)
3. Qunari Mage (Apostate)
4. Elven Warrior/Rogue (City Elf) 
5. Human Warrior/Rogue (Noble?)
6. Qunari Warrior/Rogue (?) 
7. Dwarf Warrior/Rogue (Noble/Warrior/Castless). 

And more likely it would break down into 5 since you could melt the Elven mage into CE or the Elven warrior/rogue into Dalish, and have the human mage and qunari mage both be apostates (just with unique triggers for qunari). 

So it might be more like:

1. Elven Warrior/Rogue/Mage
2. Human/Qunari Mage
3. Human Warrior/Rogue
4. Dwarf Warrior/Rogue
5. Qunari Warrior/Rogue.

I'd be surprised if we have more than 5 unique-ish backgrounds.

Modifié par In Exile, 30 décembre 2013 - 08:00 .

[KC_Prototype]

ThatDude wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Only if you play on consoles.

Peasant > Master Race

Funny. I hate those PC Elitist!

[daveliam]

In Exile wrote...

So it might be more like:

1. Elven Warrior/Rogue/Mage
2. Human/Qunari Mage
3. Human Warrior/Rogue
4. Dwarf Warrior/Rogue
5. Qunari Warrior/Rogue.

I'd be surprised if we have more than 5 unique-ish backgrounds.

This is what I suspect as well.  The only change I might make is to put the Elf Mage with the Human Mage and all three of the qunari together.

[myahele]

Other than some npc making some comments I don't think background will play much role compared to race and whether or not you're a mage.

[Gregolian]

I want a mercenary background where you kill people and stuff for a living cause you grew up an orphan. Kinda like the "Earthborn" background for Mass Effect.

[Hazegurl]

ThatDude wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Only if you play on consoles.

Peasant > Master Race

lol! We all know it's true.

[Generic Guy]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

Do we know which country the human character is from?

The human surname is Trevelyan, which my google-fu says is cornish, so most likely Ferelden again.

[Ianamus]

In Exile wrote...

And more likely it would break down into 5 since you could melt the Elven mage into CE or the Elven warrior/rogue into Dalish, and have the human mage and qunari mage both be apostates (just with unique triggers for qunari). 

So it might be more like:

1. Elven Warrior/Rogue/Mage
2. Human/Qunari Mage
3. Human Warrior/Rogue
4. Dwarf Warrior/Rogue
5. Qunari Warrior/Rogue.

I'd be surprised if we have more than 5 unique-ish backgrounds.

My guess would be:

1. Elven Mage (Dalish)
2. Elven Warrior/Rogue (Servant)
3. Human Mage (Ex-Circle)
4. Human Warrior/Rogue (Commoner)
5. Dwarf Warrior/Rogue (Surface Dwarf)
6. Qunari Warrior/Rogue/Mage (Tal'Vashoth)

The only thing I'm not sure about is whether or not all Elves will be Dalish. We know that Elven Mages are probably Dalish, but not what warriors or rogues are. Personally I doubt they would make all Elves Dalish, since it makes less sense for them to end up leading the Inquisition, and opinions on them are mixed. But they might. 

[KC_Prototype]

Generic Guy wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

Do we know which country the human character is from?

The human surname is Trevelyan, which my google-fu says is cornish, so most likely Ferelden again.

Also, listen to his voice during the 30 minute demo. He had a British voice actor so he is Ferelden.

[In Exile]

EJ107 wrote...
My guess would be:

1. Elven Mage (Dalish)
2. Elven Warrior/Rogue (Servant)
3. Human Mage (Ex-Circle)
4. Human Warrior/Rogue (Commoner)
5. Dwarf Warrior/Rogue (Surface Dwarf)
6. Qunari Warrior/Rogue/Mage (Tal'Vashoth)

The only thing I'm not sure about is whether or not all Elves will be Dalish. We know that Elven Mages are probably Dalish, but not what warriors or rogues are. Personally I doubt they would make all Elves Dalish, since it makes less sense for them to end up leading the Inquisition, and opinions on them are mixed. But they might. 

I hope we get a CE protagonist. There's a CE rebellion, and it makes a difference to be a former CE during it. Not to mention I'd rather side-step the chosen people diatribe the Dalish have as a core of their belief if I want to RP an elf. 

[BlueMagitek]

The best origins were commoners! City Elf & Casteless 4 lyfe. Word to your coins.

[Han Shot First]

I wouldn't say Hawke was a 'dirty peasant.'

He or she is clearly educated and cultured, even if they do come from a family who was no longer wealthy. And Hawke is at least in part, of noble birth. A more accurate description for Hawke's family would be impoverished gentry.

If Hawke were a peasant he'd sound more like this.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 30 décembre 2013 - 10:16 .