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[Malkavianqueen]

It's weird because I really enjoy the romances, but I honestly don't care if they're mentioned. I'm playing with a new character and the bugs they've had in the past revolving around romances (Zevran not even recognizing his past relationship with the Warden...ever) were really jarring. So I guess mention them if they're relevant but don't try to force them in. :/ I'm hoping with the Keep those kinds of bugs won't happen again, but...yeah.

[Toasted Llama]

To those that want NO mentions whatsoever... Imagen King Alistair that married a Cousland:

Varric: "Wait a minute, where's your queen?"

Alistair: "... Ehh.. ah... hey, isn't the wheather out here lovely today?"


Would be even more fun if the comics would count if Alistair is made king

[KainD]

Toasted Llama wrote...

To those that want NO mentions whatsoever... Imagen King Alistair that married a Cousland:

Varric: "Wait a minute, where's your queen?"

Alistair: "... Ehh.. ah... hey, isn't the wheather out here lovely today?"


Would be even more fun if the comics would count if Alistair is made king

Imagine if Alistar wasn't in Kirkwall. Problem solved.

[Nightdragon8]

You know what would really make me happy.... With the whole Isabella thing, That if the Inquistor hit on her and she goes all, "Aww, wish I could sweet thing, but I'm already with a Man/Woman I love, so better luck next time" Without ever mentioning the Champions name. Cause well there IS a orgination looking for him/her.

[agonis]

Icy Magebane wrote...

ElementalFury106 wrote...

GenericEnemy wrote...

A few lines maybe. wont lie, I hope for some closure on the Leliana/Warden mance. because i really dont even know with that one anymore after 2.

Yeah that's what I meant when I said they're underwhelming. We get no closure or insight as to how the relationship is doing or what impact it might've had. They basically just said "yeah we love/care about each other."

Like no ****, I was kinda there.

They should let the Inquisitor ask questions about the romance; such as how is the relationship doing, if there are future plans, how the relationship has affected people around the couple, etc etc.

Or maybe I'm asking for too much. Doubt that though

How could any of that possibly matter to the Inquisitor?  I mean, really... 

I don't mean to single you out, because this entire thread is a bit strange.  This is taking it way too far, though.  Besides, everyone knows by now that the Warden and Hawke have "disappeared."  I would assume that being in a different dimension seriously limits one's potential to keep a romance going...

I really think people need to occasionally remind themselves that these are different, totally unrelated PCs we're controlling... no matter how many returning characters are in these games, personal details like this are just not important to the Inquisitor or any future PCs.

Finally, the voice of reason. This is the response I was waiting for.
Seriously, people. Why should the Inquisitor give a damn?

There is no way Bioware could satisfy your wish for closure of your Romances if your imagination of what happened is so concrete.

[Toasted Llama]

KainD wrote...

Imagine if Alistar wasn't in Kirkwall. Problem solved.

I don't think Bioware is going to retcon the possibility of Varric and Alistair meeting lol

[TheKomandorShepard]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

You know what would really make me happy.... With the whole Isabella thing, That if the Inquistor hit on her and she goes all, "Aww, wish I could sweet thing, but I'm already with a Man/Woman I love, so better luck next time" Without ever mentioning the Champions name. Cause well there IS a orgination looking for him/her.

And why isabela , old companions or any old character should back? Damn ME and DA 2 taught some peoples that if characters was in previous game they should show up in another at least half of them.To be honest leliana , morrigan ,varric , cassandra and probably cullen , sandal and his father will be in game there is no reason for more thedas should be big place and when we meet constantly that same characters it feels like world with 1000 peoples.Leliana ,varric and cullen were anyway unnecessary her resurrection in da 2 (when she could be replaced by another character in any scenario) and well i don't see why guy who was beaten by random girl with anger problems would travel with her after 1-2 h they meet and cullen random fanatical incompetent idiot with hate issues why this guy was in 2 games and will be in 3 simple his fangirls/boys.   

[duckley]

I don't get it ---- DAI is about the Inquisitor and his/her journey, not about romance choices you made regarding Hawke or the Warden... or have I missed something?

[wright1978]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

You know what would really make me happy.... With the whole Isabella thing, That if the Inquistor hit on her and she goes all, "Aww, wish I could sweet thing, but I'm already with a Man/Woman I love, so better luck next time" Without ever mentioning the Champions name. Cause well there IS a orgination looking for him/her.

Yeah i'd definitely appreciate such a scenario if Isabela is going to appear.

[TheKomandorShepard]

wright1978 wrote...

Nightdragon8 wrote...

You know what would really make me happy.... With the whole Isabella thing, That if the Inquistor hit on her and she goes all, "Aww, wish I could sweet thing, but I'm already with a Man/Woman I love, so better luck next time" Without ever mentioning the Champions name. Cause well there IS a orgination looking for him/her.

Yeah i'd definitely appreciate such a scenario if Isabela is going to appear.

Well even if she appears (and she shouldn't) it would be totally out of her character to do that especially she want have fun with zevran no matter if you romance her or not.

[Nightdragon8]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Nightdragon8 wrote...

You know what would really make me happy.... With the whole Isabella thing, That if the Inquistor hit on her and she goes all, "Aww, wish I could sweet thing, but I'm already with a Man/Woman I love, so better luck next time" Without ever mentioning the Champions name. Cause well there IS a orgination looking for him/her.

And why isabela , old companions or any old character should back? Damn ME and DA 2 taught some peoples that if characters was in previous game they should show up in another at least half of them.To be honest leliana , morrigan ,varric , cassandra and probably cullen , sandal and his father will be in game there is no reason for more thedas should be big place and when we meet constantly that same characters it feels like world with 1000 peoples.Leliana ,varric and cullen were anyway unnecessary her resurrection in da 2 (when she could be replaced by another character in any scenario) and well i don't see why guy who was beaten by random girl with anger problems would travel with her after 1-2 h they meet and cullen random fanatical incompetent idiot with hate issues why this guy was in 2 games and will be in 3 simple his fangirls/boys.   

really? in a topic about "Past Romances and its consequence in Da:I" Because if someone doesn't come back as a cameo or from another game, It will not matter WHATSOEVER.

Don't be a troll.

[Nightdragon8]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Nightdragon8 wrote...

You know what would really make me happy.... With the whole Isabella thing, That if the Inquistor hit on her and she goes all, "Aww, wish I could sweet thing, but I'm already with a Man/Woman I love, so better luck next time" Without ever mentioning the Champions name. Cause well there IS a orgination looking for him/her.

Yeah i'd definitely appreciate such a scenario if Isabela is going to appear.

Well even if she appears (and she shouldn't) it would be totally out of her character to do that especially she want have fun with zevran no matter if you romance her or not.

Umm false, if you romance her you can ask her not to, and she won't tho she will ask for Hawke Sex that night.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Nightdragon8 wrote...

You know what would really make me happy.... With the whole Isabella thing, That if the Inquistor hit on her and she goes all, "Aww, wish I could sweet thing, but I'm already with a Man/Woman I love, so better luck next time" Without ever mentioning the Champions name. Cause well there IS a orgination looking for him/her.

And why isabela , old companions or any old character should back? Damn ME and DA 2 taught some peoples that if characters was in previous game they should show up in another at least half of them.To be honest leliana , morrigan ,varric , cassandra and probably cullen , sandal and his father will be in game there is no reason for more thedas should be big place and when we meet constantly that same characters it feels like world with 1000 peoples.Leliana ,varric and cullen were anyway unnecessary her resurrection in da 2 (when she could be replaced by another character in any scenario) and well i don't see why guy who was beaten by random girl with anger problems would travel with her after 1-2 h they meet and cullen random fanatical incompetent idiot with hate issues why this guy was in 2 games and will be in 3 simple his fangirls/boys.   

really? in a topic about "Past Romances and its consequence in Da:I" Because if someone doesn't come back as a cameo or from another game, It will not matter WHATSOEVER.

Don't be a troll.

lol im not troll i pointed why more characters shouldn't be return and i pointed why isabela should and as far i renember isabela is past romance hmm isn't she?

Nightdragon8 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Nightdragon8 wrote...

You
know what would really make me happy.... With the whole Isabella thing,
That if the Inquistor hit on her and she goes all, "Aww, wish I could
sweet thing, but I'm already with a Man/Woman I love, so better luck
next time" Without ever mentioning the Champions name. Cause well there
IS a orgination looking for him/her.

Yeah i'd definitely appreciate such a scenario if Isabela is going to appear.

Well
even if she appears (and she shouldn't) it would be totally out of her
character to do that especially she want have fun with zevran no matter
if you romance her or not.

Umm false, if you romance her you can ask her not to, and she won't tho she will ask for Hawke Sex that night.

That protagonist said her to not and before she was willing (very eager) to have sex with other person clearly shows that she see romance as something different and she have no problems with that... 

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 30 décembre 2013 - 06:10 .

[Magdalena11]

Morrigan or Leliana probably and Alistair if he was made king. Zevran if he gets a cameo. Hawke's LIs might be a little more obscure. It really depends on who gets a cameo.

Actually, I agree it's probably going to be a single throwaway line. Not anything to get worked up over one way or another. Even for wardens who romanced Morrigan, fathered the OGB and went through the Eluvian with her, the actual romance aspect doesn't relate very much to what's going on in DAI.

I'm only expressing my own opinion but I'd rather enjoy a new romance than hear too much about the writers' impressions of my old ones.

[Nightdragon8]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Nightdragon8 wrote...

really? in a topic about "Past Romances and its consequence in Da:I" Because if someone doesn't come back as a cameo or from another game, It will not matter WHATSOEVER.

Don't be a troll.

lol im not troll i pointed why more characters shouldn't be return and i pointed why isabela should and as far i renember isabela is past romance hmm isn't she?

Using this topic to state how "You don't want past characters in DA:I" Is pretty troll behavior. Because In MY case, the only way it would appear in DA:I is if Isabella was in DA:I. Either that or Varric Mentions Hawke/Isabella reomance in some banter. Which is probably how we are going to hear about all the other romances as well, probably during a time when the Inquistor gets into a relationship.

Nightdragon8 wrote...

Umm false, if you romance her you can ask her not to, and she won't tho she will ask for Hawke Sex that night.

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

That protagonist said her to not and before she was willing (very eager) to have sex with other person clearly shows that she see romance as something different and she have no problems with that... 

Yea? And?

I knew that kind of behavoir was going to happen when I first got into the relationship, just because you belived in mognonmy doesn't mean it applyes to every relationship. So thats just your opinion on the way Isabella acted. Also considering her willingness to back down, surprized Zev, in that really the relationship is in for a long term type.

For me the fact that she was willing to back down, says alot more for how the relationship is with Hawke and Isabella. Now I can make a long textwall of my opinion of how healthy the relationship between them "seems" to be but this is NOT the topic to be doing so. So please keep it to the topic, k thx bye.


edit: Damn quote issuse grrr.

Modifié par Nightdragon8, 30 décembre 2013 - 06:23 .

[wright1978]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Nightdragon8 wrote...

You know what would really make me happy.... With the whole Isabella thing, That if the Inquistor hit on her and she goes all, "Aww, wish I could sweet thing, but I'm already with a Man/Woman I love, so better luck next time" Without ever mentioning the Champions name. Cause well there IS a orgination looking for him/her.

Yeah i'd definitely appreciate such a scenario if Isabela is going to appear.

Well even if she appears (and she shouldn't) it would be totally out of her character to do that especially she want have fun with zevran no matter if you romance her or not.

Think it would be off if she's hooking up with some random person whilst the man/woman she loves is mising.
As for generally i don't think Zevran incident should be taken as meaning she's going to be constantly unfaithful. It seems more a clumsy mechanic to establish establishing the boundaries of their relationship.

[Blackrising]

The only scenario I could imagine has some bearing on Inquisition might be if the Warden became Alistair's Queen or Anora's Prince-Consort.
That is probably worth a mention if we meet the King/Queen of Ferelden in Inquisition. (And, quite honestly, I'd like it if it were confirmed that Anora developed feelings for my Warden, since he married her out of love rather than lust for power. That seems rather unlikely, though, since there was no option in-game to express a desire to marry Anora for her instead of for the throne. So failing that, I'd still like a mention, but would prefer if the exact details be kept in the dark. Same reason why I'd rather the Warden didn't appear.)

Other than that, mentions of past romances seem rather unnecessary. Unless, of course, there is a good reason to mention them.

Modifié par Blackrising, 30 décembre 2013 - 06:32 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Nightdragon8 wrote...



Yea? And?

I knew that kind of behavoir was going to happen when I first got into the relationship, just because you belived in mognonmy doesn't mean it applyes to every relationship. So thats just your opinion on the way Isabella acted. Also considering her willingness to back down, surprized Zev, in that really the relationship is in for a long term type.

For me the fact that she was willing to back down, says alot more for how the relationship is with Hawke and Isabella. Now I can make a long textwall of my opinion of how healthy the relationship between them "seems" to be but this is NOT the topic to be doing so. So please keep it to the topic, k thx bye.


edit: Damn quote issuse grrr.

And that if someone outright proposes to other person especially when partner is next to that person well it is best way to say that person isn't faithful there is no way to demonstrate that more clearly than by such act... if you are soo blind that you can't see unfaithfulness when li is in the bed with other person naked well i can't do nothing more than facepalm.  

So if you treat that she refused have sex with another person (that she offered) because hawke scolded her for that as sign of loywal partner well good luck in life...

wright1978 wrote...


Think it would be off if she's hooking up with some random person whilst the man/woman she loves is mising.
As
for generally i don't think Zevran incident should be taken as meaning
she's going to be constantly unfaithful. It seems more a clumsy mechanic
to establish establishing the boundaries of their relationship.

Well i don't know how having sex with another person isn't sign of unfaithfulness (which is definition of unfaithfulness in relationship ) and is consistent  with her entire behavior for both games.Her type isn't loyal and she proves it.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 30 décembre 2013 - 06:39 .

[Toasted Llama]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

And that if someone outright proposes to other person especially when partner is next to that person well it is best way to say that person isn't faithful there is no way to demonstrate that more clearly than by such act... if you are soo blind that you can't see unfaithfulness when li is in the bed with other person naked well i can't do nothing more than facepalm.  

So if you treat that she refused have sex with another person (that she offered) because hawke scolded her for that as sign of loywal partner well good luck in life...

Sex can be bought and doesn't equal love. Truly loving someone and having sex are two seperate things, although they can be combined, they are not related.

Faithfulness doesn't rely on sexual intercourse, it relies on what you feel for another, so Isabela could be just as faithful as any other person while banging men all over the place.

[wright1978]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Well i don't know how having sex with another person isn't sign of unfaithfulness (which is definition of unfaithfulness in relationship ) and is consistent  with her entire behavior for both games.Her type isn't loyal and she proves it.

It's about degrees of openness of the relationship. I certainly don't think Isabela suits a completely closed traditional relationship but that shouldn't mean implied acceptance of infidelity outside the boundaries they set. During the Zevran encounter my Hawke's generally go to the inviting others into the bed is fine but going off independently isn't.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Toasted Llama wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

And that if someone outright proposes to other person especially when partner is next to that person well it is best way to say that person isn't faithful there is no way to demonstrate that more clearly than by such act... if you are soo blind that you can't see unfaithfulness when li is in the bed with other person naked well i can't do nothing more than facepalm.  

So if you treat that she refused have sex with another person (that she offered) because hawke scolded her for that as sign of loywal partner well good luck in life...

Sex can be bought and doesn't equal love. Truly loving someone and having sex are two seperate things, although they can be combined, they are not related.

Faithfulness doesn't rely on sexual intercourse, it relies on what you feel for another, so Isabela could be just as faithful as any other person while banging men all over the place.

eee of course sex doesn't equal love but if you are in relationship and you are sleeping (or you are with another) with other person this is unfaithfulness whether you did for money , because you love second person or just for fun... If thats bad or not it is up to you but it is still unfaithfulness...

wright1978 wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Well
i don't know how having sex with another person isn't sign of
unfaithfulness (which is definition of unfaithfulness in relationship )
and is consistent  with her entire behavior for both games.Her type
isn't loyal and she proves it.

It's about
degrees of openness of the relationship. I certainly don't think Isabela
suits a completely closed traditional relationship but that shouldn't
mean implied acceptance of infidelity outside the boundaries they set.
During the Zevran encounter my Hawke's generally go to the inviting
others into the bed is fine but going off independently isn't.

Well you summed that nicely which mean that isabela isn't faithful type what was my point.


Down oh god gimme gimme facepalm button:mellow:

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 30 décembre 2013 - 07:06 .

[Nightdragon8]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

And that if someone outright proposes to other person especially when partner is next to that person well it is best way to say that person isn't faithful there is no way to demonstrate that more clearly than by such act... if you are soo blind that you can't see unfaithfulness when li is in the bed with other person naked well i can't do nothing more than facepalm.  

So if you treat that she refused have sex with another person (that she offered) because hawke scolded her for that as sign of loywal partner well good luck in life...

Ok this is going to be the last time I respond as this has CLEARLY gone outside the topic.

Ever hear of Swingers, if not... google it.

Just because you hold love/sex/relationships in one reguard doesn't mean its the ONLY way a realationship can be. So if you please, drop this, and put it in its own thread. And I will be HAPPY to debate you in proving that you are wrong to be judging people in such a way. Don't like that lifestyle then by all means DON"T DO IT. No one is forcing you to reomance Isabella no one else is asking you to be a swinger, only that you learn to accept that other people may reguard such actions not as harshly as you do.

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

wright1978 wrote...


Think it would be off if she's hooking up with some random person whilst the man/woman she loves is mising.
As
for generally i don't think Zevran incident should be taken as meaning
she's going to be constantly unfaithful. It seems more a clumsy mechanic
to establish establishing the boundaries of their relationship.

Well i don't know how having sex with another person isn't sign of unfaithfulness (which is definition of unfaithfulness in relationship ) and is consistent  with her entire behavior for both games.Her type isn't loyal and she proves it.

In some cultures. Not ALL cultures need to follow your culture in which please drop the topic.

Modifié par Nightdragon8, 30 décembre 2013 - 07:00 .

[Kurremurre]

Toasted Llama wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

And that if someone outright proposes to other person especially when partner is next to that person well it is best way to say that person isn't faithful there is no way to demonstrate that more clearly than by such act... if you are soo blind that you can't see unfaithfulness when li is in the bed with other person naked well i can't do nothing more than facepalm.  

So if you treat that she refused have sex with another person (that she offered) because hawke scolded her for that as sign of loywal partner well good luck in life...

Sex can be bought and doesn't equal love. Truly loving someone and having sex are two seperate things, although they can be combined, they are not related.

Faithfulness doesn't rely on sexual intercourse, it relies on what you feel for another, so Isabela could be just as faithful as any other person while banging men all over the place.

Now, that would obviously depend on the relationship they've agreed upon, would it not? Traditionally, sex is indeed tied to love, so unless it's explicitly agreed upon, or it can be safely assumed based on the social context, one would expect faithfulness to involve NOT sleeping around with others.

[Toasted Llama]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

eee of course sex doesn't equal love but if you are in relationship and you are sleeping (or you are with another) with other person this is unfaithfulness whether you did for money , because you love second person or just for fun... If thats bad or not it is up to you but it is still unfaithfulness...

That depends on what you think is faithful or not. If one measures faithfulness in who you share your bed with then yes, sleeping with another is unfaithfull. If you don't measure faithfulness in who you share your bed with, then it isn't. It's what you value more or how much; the physical or the emotional attraction.

Clearly, you measure faithfulness in who you share the bed with, though I think Isabela has her priorities elsewhere. Doesn't make her unfaithful; just makes her value physical attraction alot less.

Kurremurre wrote...

Now, that would obviously depend on
the relationship they've agreed upon, would it not? Traditionally, sex
is indeed tied to love, so unless it's explicitly agreed upon, or it can
be safely assumed based on the social context, one would expect
faithfulness to involve NOT sleeping around with others.

While it's definitely true what you say, do you really think Isabela is the type of person to accept to those more traditional conditions?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Toasted Llama wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

eee of course sex doesn't equal love but if you are in relationship and you are sleeping (or you are with another) with other person this is unfaithfulness whether you did for money , because you love second person or just for fun... If thats bad or not it is up to you but it is still unfaithfulness...

That depends on what you think is faithful or not. If one measures faithfulness in who you share your bed with then yes, sleeping with another is unfaithfull. If you don't measure faithfulness in who you share your bed with, then it isn't. It's what you value more or how much; the physical or the emotional attraction.

Clearly, you measure faithfulness in who you share the bed with, though I think Isabela has her priorities elsewhere. Doesn't make her unfaithful; just makes her value physical attraction alot less.

It makes her unfaithful to person in what she in relationship sure she don't have care or like it as well others but it doesn't matter simple she have emotional relationship or just physical relationship if person does such thing then it is unfaithful (it is like change your religion every day and then come back and repeat) is this bad thing i don't care as i don't care with who what you are doing it is up to you as you see killing someone as positive or negative but still that does make you killer.