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[Hanako Ikezawa]

BobZilla 2k10 wrote...

I gotta admit killing Alistair sucked but seriously as much as I like him I wouldn't trust him to lead a dying horse to water let alone a nation because he would be nothing more than Eamons Puppet King look if you do back the Fool at the Landsmeet whats the first thing he does Name Eamon Regent yeah I wonder whos gonna be making the descions my point is Alistair is a follower he followed Duncan than your Warden and would no doubt follow Eamon as well.

Actually if you make him hardened the slides say he becomes an effective leader. Plus if he's married to Anora, then despite his ability to lead himself or not Ferelden is in good hands since I think we all know who really led Ferelden under Cailan's reign. As the saying goes: "A King may rule the Kingdom, but the Queen rules the King."

[BobZilla84]

On my other playthroughs I always ended up hardening Alistair and making him marry Anora and 0 f**** where given because my Dwarf Commoner vanished with Morrigan to be with his family "Her and their Son". And my Dalish Elf was traveling with Leliana.

[sylvanaerie]

I think a far more interesting scenario is 'What happens with Ferelden in the future without an heir', one the devs seem to be leading up to. I think I read in the boards a while back there will be no children for either Alistair or Anora, so probably after one or the other dies, again a squabble to see who comes to power. It may even be in Inquisition as one of the side quests.

Hopefully it will be Fergus's kids (if any), but I think that's kind of locked in as a dead end too, I believe there won't really be any 'Cousland or MacTir' dynasty to replace the Theirin one.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 31 décembre 2013 - 08:27 .

[Aschenglorie]

I was also thinking of the no heir scenario. I can't believe I'm about to bring this in but in one of the...ahem...Fable 3 DLCs there's a hint of a "downfall" of the monarchy into democracy and I thought it was an interesting insertion. Though I don't think that would quite work out because we just learned (comics spoiler ahead...) about the Theirins' dragon blood so I kind of doubt we've seen the last of them.

[sylvanaerie]

Witch Hunt (which was overall a disappointment to me) at least has some interesting tidbits in that if you mouse over Redcliffe, it describes it as coming into a more powerful position. Or something to that effect?

Hints of a civil war to come...?

[andy6915]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Witch Hunt (which was overall a disappointment to me) at least has some interesting tidbits in that if you mouse over Redcliffe, it describes it as coming into a more powerful position. Or something to that effect?

Hints of a civil war to come...?

Witch Hunt also says Lothering is actually rebuilding and on the path to recovery... But then DA2 comes along and says Lothering even years later as of act 2 or 3 is still a tainted and destroyed area with pretty much no hope of sustaining human life for decades. Witch hunt had some of its info retconned, I wouldn't take the minor stuff like the town descriptions into account.


Witch hunt says this about Lothering:

"Elder Miriam and the village council started rebuilding Lothering slowly. A new Chantry was constructed, with a shrine outside dedicated to the Hero of Ferelden, along with the others who gave their lives defending Ferelden."



Now the letter from DA2:

"I hope you and the children are holding up. I'm so sorry about Bethany. Such a dear girl. I remember her helping me weed. The Blight has taken too much from us! Thank the Maker for the Hero of Ferelden and the Grey Wardens.

Things are slowly getting back to normal in most of the country, but Lothering is gone for good. We hoped to rebuild there, but the Blight poisoned the land. It'll take decades for the earth to recover. It may never.

Redcliffe is a nice place, and I'm starting to see it as home. The village saw some trouble during the Blight, but it's recovering. Perhaps you could visit sometime.

Please write me again, my dear. I wish to hear about your life in Kirkwall. Send my regrets and fond regards to the children.

Your friend, Miriam"


http://dragonage.wik..._from_Lothering

[sylvanaerie]

Hmm perhaps it's not a complete retcon? Maybe they attempted to rebuild, but then maybe ultimately it proved infeasible? Or maybe the continuity devs were sleeping on the job when they composed that letter...

[andy6915]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Hmm perhaps it's not a complete retcon? Maybe they attempted to rebuild, but then maybe ultimately it proved infeasible? Or maybe the continuity devs were sleeping on the job when they composed that letter...

Both are possible of course. Bioware has went back and changed their minds before and did a minor retcon you mention in the first suggestion, and has messed up their own canon before like you mention in the second suggestion. Both have happened in prior Bioware games.

Modifié par andy69156915, 31 décembre 2013 - 10:19 .

[Toasted Llama]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

The people at the castle told her the boy had died.Maybe he did and he wasn't Allistair.
Besides she was only his half sister.

I
think killing Allistair is one of the most unwise things a player could
do in the game.It's an outright betrayal and means the player is no
better than Loghain imo.
The overpreoccupation with the succession
aka Allistair would have been a threat to the Cousland throne is
nonsense.Besides the warden can only hold the throne for a while as it
is.
But players can do as they wish.Glad I don't have to follow tthe examples some of them set.

Betrayal? So is his abandoning The Wardens During a Blight setting a dangerous precedent if we allow him to do it. I would have spared him if he didn't try to desert. As for the threat being nonsense? If you call A civil war something not to be concerned about then you are one amusing fellow now aren't you? Even if you ignore that epilogue slide what did you think was happening when Teagan showed up in Kirkwall telling Alistair his exile is finished and he was suddenly allowed home? Do you think Anora so inconsistant that she suddenly decided it was fine to let him back in? As to the no better then Loghain well I don't have a low opnion of Loghain anyway so if I'm regarded as "No better than Loghain" thats fine with me, because I think he's pretty great.

You think killing Alistair is unwise, I think sparing him and allowing him to desert far more unwise

I'm sorry, did you miss the part where Loghain left the king's army and nearly ALL the Grey Wardens to die at Ostagar because of his stubborn belief that the Grey Wardens weren't needed to end a bight and because of his ridiculous fear of Orlais, critically endangering Ferelden in the process? He even went as far as blaming the remaining 2 Wardens, endangering Ferelden's last hope.

Had Alistair and the PC not survived and fought Loghain in the Landsmeet, Ferelden would be DEAD thanks to Loghain.

And then you decide to show mercy. I mean what? Ofcourse Alistair's going to throw an ultimatum "him or me" out there! Because of Loghain, all of his friends are dead, Duncan, who was one of the most important figures in his life, died with them, his surrogate father figure was deadly poisoned and nearly died, his half-brother who was the son of Loghain's best friend died, making Alistair a forced candidate for the throne (and he doesn't like it, at all, untill you harden him) and threatening his as well as the PC's life by blaming them and sending assassin's after them.

And now I'm not even talking about forcing elves into slavery, capturing and torturing Riordan so that he could not warn anyone and letting Arl Howe run loose.

Loghain had gone completely mad at that point.

[Magdalena11]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Toasted Llama wrote...

Generic Guy wrote...

But why would Goldana pretend to be a long lost sister? Eamon plan for dealing with Anora's possible infertility was for Cailan to wed the Empress of Orlais, as was reveled in Return to Ostagar.

I think in the early stages of development this was planned reveal, Alistair being Fiona's son, but now it would seem to convulted for so much effort to hide this from him.

Could be they bought her into believing her brother was a son of Maric's and predicted that one of them (Alistair or Goldanna) would seek out the other, making Alistair's belief that he is the son of a star struck maid even more solid.

And hiding it from Alistair? They're hiding it from everyone in Ferelden and hell yes they would go to extreme lengths for that. Can you imagen the ****storm that would arise if Alistair was king and it was revealed that not only he is a bastard son (which is bad); he's the son of an orleisian (also really bad...), elven (very, very bad), grey warden (terribly bad) mage (very extremely terribly bad)

I don't think you can combinate something that is hated even worse by fereldans than an Orleisian elven Grey Warden mage x'D

Still, I think Bioware might even get to the point of retconning his death and cause him to take over the throne anyway (because of Theirin blood). Would provide some interesting storyline, that's for sure.

Exactly. Any one of those would be reason enough to stop Alistair's ascension to the throne. It would just be seen as one or more of those groups trying to garner power over Ferelden. So they came up with the story that he was simply the result of an affair between Maric and a maid to hide all those traits about him from becoming known.

The possiblility of Alistair being Fiona's son has been hashed and rehashed.  For what it's worth, here's why I think he's not:  He's the wrong age.  I don't think he was swapped as a newborn with Goldana's dead brother because the only person who could have told her the baby was Maric's was her mother.  Alistair tells the warden that everyone assumed he was Arl Eamon's child.  If anyone would know who Goldana's brother's father was it would be his mother.  As to why Duncan took such a special interest in Alistair I'd say it's the same reason that he offered to keep tabs on Fiona's son - he liked Maric.  There's no rule that says a person can only have one godchild.

I don't think Alistair will be retconned because if he's dead at the end of DAO he is still dead in DA2.  For the purposes of games in which he was killed and Anora made queen with a Cousland prince, he doesn't need to be retconned because Ferelden has a ruler and BW has shown in Awakenings and DA2 that it can deal with that.  The retcons that drove everyone nuts involved Leliana and Anders and happened between DAA and DA2.  I think the negative reaction that continues to evoke will make the writers think twice before they change players' world states again.  

I'm pretty sure neither Anora nor Alistair will ever have a child as ruler.  With a Cousland consort and assuming Fergus as heir, I don't think this will make a difference to the events of DAI.  Future titles perhaps.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Howe was the one who captured and tortured Riordan, not Loghain. And Loghain had to create some form of additional income for his war effort, and so Elves were sold into slavery. Not taht I agree with it, but it isn't exactly signs of madness. Perhaps desperation.

[Augustei]

Toasted Llama wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

The people at the castle told her the boy had died.Maybe he did and he wasn't Allistair.
Besides she was only his half sister.

I
think killing Allistair is one of the most unwise things a player could
do in the game.It's an outright betrayal and means the player is no
better than Loghain imo.
The overpreoccupation with the succession
aka Allistair would have been a threat to the Cousland throne is
nonsense.Besides the warden can only hold the throne for a while as it
is.
But players can do as they wish.Glad I don't have to follow tthe examples some of them set.

Betrayal? So is his abandoning The Wardens During a Blight setting a dangerous precedent if we allow him to do it. I would have spared him if he didn't try to desert. As for the threat being nonsense? If you call A civil war something not to be concerned about then you are one amusing fellow now aren't you? Even if you ignore that epilogue slide what did you think was happening when Teagan showed up in Kirkwall telling Alistair his exile is finished and he was suddenly allowed home? Do you think Anora so inconsistant that she suddenly decided it was fine to let him back in? As to the no better then Loghain well I don't have a low opnion of Loghain anyway so if I'm regarded as "No better than Loghain" thats fine with me, because I think he's pretty great.

You think killing Alistair is unwise, I think sparing him and allowing him to desert far more unwise

I'm sorry, did you miss the part where Loghain left the king's army and nearly ALL the Grey Wardens to die at Ostagar because of his stubborn belief that the Grey Wardens weren't needed to end a bight and because of his ridiculous fear of Orlais, critically endangering Ferelden in the process? He even went as far as blaming the remaining 2 Wardens, endangering Ferelden's last hope.

Had Alistair and the PC not survived and fought Loghain in the Landsmeet, Ferelden would be DEAD thanks to Loghain.

And then you decide to show mercy. I mean what? Ofcourse Alistair's going to throw an ultimatum "him or me" out there! Because of Loghain, all of his friends are dead, Duncan, who was one of the most important figures in his life, died with them, his surrogate father figure was deadly poisoned and nearly died, his half-brother who was the son of Loghain's best friend died, making Alistair a forced candidate for the throne (and he doesn't like it, at all, untill you harden him) and threatening his as well as the PC's life by blaming them and sending assassin's after them.

And now I'm not even talking about forcing elves into slavery, capturing and torturing Riordan so that he could not warn anyone and letting Arl Howe run loose.

Loghain had gone completely mad at that point.

Stubborn belief? Perhaps if anyone actually knew the wardens were necessary to stop A blight that might be true but The Wardens keep everything under wraps.
Ridiculous fear of Orlais? How is concern over 20,000 Orlesian Chevaliers working for a superpower with a long history of conquest entering your country a ridiculous fear? You think because this is a Blight they would have just fought the darkspawn for the greater good and went home? Tell that to Nevarra who were conquered by them in the 3rd blight, tell that to any sane person once they've seen Cailan and Celenes big plans.

Not to mention withdrawing from Ostagar was necessary to save what remained of the army since Cailan was a god damn moreon who insisted on fighting that "glorious battle" and be on the frontlines along with every single damn grey warden the country had except the two new recruits. Its not his fault his King and Duncan and the wardens were utter moreons.

Of course I'm going to hold it against Alistair for being a selfish bastard and trying to desert the country during a blight while he is the only other Warden in it.. Even if his tantrum were justified that was not in the slightest.
Loghain's not the reason all his friends are dead, They were dead anyway as soon as that massive horde came out of the wilds that was larger than anyone anticipated. Had Loghain charged they would still all be dead, along with the rest of the Ferelden army.

Eamon was a greedy bastard who tried to start a bloody civil war to sate his ambtion (once again found in return to ostagar notes)  Loghain poisoned him because Eamon was mani****g the puppet Cailan just as he does Alistair if he's on the throne. It wasn't a fatal poison just something to get Eamon out of the way while Loghain prepared for a showdown with Cailan. As for not wanting to be King? I really dont care about that, anyway nothing Loghain did justified gutting him like a pig in front of his own daughter.

Forcing Elves into slavery? Better Ferelden not fund its army and then they call all enjoy being dead while their women become broodmothers then? Slavery may be wrong but in this case it was necessary
Letting Arl Howe run loose? What would you have him do, the man controlled Highever, Amaranthine, and Denerim by the time Loghain got back north from Ostagar... Howe held all the cards and if Loghain acted against him instead of allying with him it would only have made matters much much worse.

Loghain had not gone mad at all, he was trying to save his nation from destruction.

[dragonflight288]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Howe was the one who captured and tortured Riordan, not Loghain. And Loghain had to create some form of additional income for his war effort, and so Elves were sold into slavery. Not taht I agree with it, but it isn't exactly signs of madness. Perhaps desperation.

Not to mention Howe controlled all the major trading routes by the time Loghain leaves Ostagar, making Howe one of the most powerful noblemen. Loghain may not have liked him, but he did need his support since he had no income. Loghain does do exactly what he says. "He'll do ANYTHING to protect his homeland. Problem is, he was paranoid and saw a different threat.

But look at it from his point of view. In the Calling, he actually personally witnesses Duncan's predecessor making deals with the darkspawn, specificallythe Architect, he knows that Orlais wants their province back as Alistair mentions as King in DA2 act 3, and he has Nevarra's history during the third blight to back him up on Orlais's history of going into a country to help them with a blight and then never leaving.

And he actually was sort of right. During the Landsmeet, he says the Wardens were bringing four legions of Chevalier's. Using Roman Legion numbers, a single legion is 3,000 soldiers. But when you talk to Riordan in Howe's dungeon, he says the wardens were coming with 200 divisions of calvary. Now a division can be anywhere from 1000-1500 soldiers, not as much as a legion, but 200 divisions is A LOT of soldiers. Four legions is 12,000 soldiers. 200 divisions is closer to 200,000.

That's a lot more than Loghain thought was coming.

Modifié par dragonflight288, 31 décembre 2013 - 01:28 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Division is a relatively modern military term, so I don't think you should put too much into the numbers there. Besides 200,000 of cavalry alone is a ridiculous logistical nightmare (it is essentially 400,00 mouthes to feed), and also not a very well-balanced force (where is the infantry?). Not to mention that 200,000 would be probably the ENTIRE Orlesian army.

[Augustei]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Division is a relatively modern military term, so I don't think you should put too much into the numbers there. Besides 200,000 of cavalry alone is a ridiculous logistical nightmare (it is essentially 400,00 mouthes to feed), and also not a very well-balanced force (where is the infantry?). Not to mention that 200,000 would be probably the ENTIRE Orlesian army.

Heh, The entire Orlesian army plus the entire army of some other nations

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 31 décembre 2013 - 02:04 .

[Angrywolves]

nah.

I doubt the Orlesians had enough troops to fight the darkspawn and take care of all their other committments.

Allistair makes a good leader when hardened.Anyone who says otherwise is simply wrong.
The subsequent books certainly seem to prove he's a good leader as well.

I am a little tired of players blaming Anora for not producing a heir for Cailen.It could have been Cailen's fault.

I do believe there will be a succession issue because that's what Gaider wants.

Fergus if alive may have remarried but we don't know that.His wife and children were murdered and when that really happens some people just can't move on from their loss.

I doubt Redcliff is going to revolt against Ferelden some players are hinting at.I just don't believe it and there's no proof so far that that will happen.

I had heard Bann Teagan marries that girl we help in Redcliff.Some people thought he married Bella but that's not the case apparently. So it's possible Bann Teagan could take over Ferelden if there's no Allistair or Anora and that would be fine with me.

[Augustei]

Angrywolves wrote...
I doubt the Orlesians had enough troops to fight the darkspawn and take care of all their other committments.

They've had enough to conquer Nevarra and The Dales in blights past, why not now? Fereldens remaining army + Dwarves, Mages and A few mages is enough top stop the blight. How isn't Ferelden + Orlais (They're not going to just throw themselves at the darkspawn btw thats what their Ferelden "buddies" are for)

Angrywolves wrote...
Allistair makes a good leader when hardened.Anyone who says otherwise is simply wrong.

An opinion, Personally I felt Hardening him made him nothing more than an even more self centred  ****.. Good is too strong a word anyway. What did he do? Made an Elf a noble? yeah...great stuff right there.

Whereas Anora passes laws to encorage substansial harvests, refills the coffers, begins numerous trade contracts and treaties with other lands and builds a university.

Angrywolves wrote...
The subsequent books certainly seem to prove he's a good leader as well.

Yes because everyone knows the best place for A monarch to be is on the other side of the world crashing parties and annoncing his presence to all the world so he can get captured and bankrupt Ferelden to pay his ransom... If anything the comics prove why he shouldn't be made King but instead remain A Warden.

Angrywolves wrote...
I am a little tired of players blaming Anora for not producing a heir for Cailen.It could have been Cailen's fault.

Agreed, though everything on the topic is purely speculation.

Angrywolves wrote...
I doubt Redcliff is going to revolt against Ferelden some players are
hinting at.I just don't believe it and there's no proof so far that that
will happen.

Theres an epilogue slide where A rebellion in Alistairs name happens, considering The Guerrin's are the one that retreived Alistair from Kirkwall and informed him his "Exile was lifted" and he could come home which was complete BS and Anora wouldn't do that.
Then theres the notes from return to Ostagar where its made clear Eamon is influencing the crown and esentially trying to run the show.

Not to mention him wanting to put Alistair on the throne and have him as his puppet, Eamon is A scheming sob.. Theres plenty he'd do to get ahead.

Angrywolves wrote...
I had heard Bann Teagan marries that girl we help in Redcliff.Some
people thought he married Bella but that's not the case apparently. So
it's possible Bann Teagan could take over Ferelden if there's no
Allistair or Anora and that would be fine with me.

It depends, If you give Kaitlyn the sword back or dont give her enough money to get to Denerim he marries Bella instead, otherwise if you give Kaitlyn the money to get to Denerim then he marries her

[Magdalena11]

I had to go up and check the title to make sure I was on the right thread...

[Magdalena11]

 

Angrywolves wrote...

I am a little tired of players blaming Anora for not producing an heir for Cailen. It could have been Cailen's fault.

I blame the writers.

[Augustei]

Magdalena11 wrote...

I had to go up and check the title to make sure I was on the right thread...

Indeed, we seem to have derailed it quite a bit, appologies lol.

Anyway I doubt Bioware would pull the whole Civil war thing again, we will probably have a civil conflict like Orzammar where hopefully our Inquisitor (otherwise future protagonist) Will decide which faction to support. Eamon's heirs (Connor and his later daughter) Are both mages.. So with the evident magic in Isoldes line he will probably have to remarry if he wants to be a contender and I'm betting he probably will.

Besides the Guerrin's however, there isn't really anyone that can pose a challenge to the Couslands... Unless some of the other nobles unite (heh unlikely)
Personally I'm hoping the Wardens make a grab for power in both Ferelden and The Anderfels and become very political and we can either try and stop them or support them
I mean they control Amaranthine now which is the primary power of economics besides Denerim. And our Warden's rulership there is only temporary anyway so they'd have a new leader there now

[Angrywolves]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...
I doubt the Orlesians had enough troops to fight the darkspawn and take care of all their other committments.

They've had enough to conquer Nevarra and The Dales in blights past, why not now? Fereldens remaining army + Dwarves, Mages and A few mages is enough top stop the blight. How isn't Ferelden + Orlais (They're not going to just throw themselves at the darkspawn btw thats what their Ferelden "buddies" are for)

Angrywolves wrote...
Allistair makes a good leader when hardened.Anyone who says otherwise is simply wrong.

An opinion, Personally I felt Hardening him made him nothing more than an even more self centred  ****.. Good is too strong a word anyway. What did he do? Made an Elf a noble? yeah...great stuff right there.

Whereas Anora passes laws to encorage substansial harvests, refills the coffers, begins numerous trade contracts and treaties with other lands and builds a university.

Angrywolves wrote...
The subsequent books certainly seem to prove he's a good leader as well.

Yes because everyone knows the best place for A monarch to be is on the other side of the world crashing parties and annoncing his presence to all the world so he can get captured and bankrupt Ferelden to pay his ransom... If anything the comics prove why he shouldn't be made King but instead remain A Warden.

Angrywolves wrote...
I am a little tired of players blaming Anora for not producing a heir for Cailen.It could have been Cailen's fault.

Agreed, though everything on the topic is purely speculation.

Angrywolves wrote...
I doubt Redcliff is going to revolt against Ferelden some players are
hinting at.I just don't believe it and there's no proof so far that that
will happen.

Theres an epilogue slide where A rebellion in Alistairs name happens, considering The Guerrin's are the one that retreived Alistair from Kirkwall and informed him his "Exile was lifted" and he could come home which was complete BS and Anora wouldn't do that.
Then theres the notes from return to Ostagar where its made clear Eamon is influencing the crown and esentially trying to run the show.

Not to mention him wanting to put Alistair on the throne and have him as his puppet, Eamon is A scheming sob.. Theres plenty he'd do to get ahead.

Angrywolves wrote...
I had heard Bann Teagan marries that girl we help in Redcliff.Some
people thought he married Bella but that's not the case apparently. So
it's possible Bann Teagan could take over Ferelden if there's no
Allistair or Anora and that would be fine with me.

It depends, If you give Kaitlyn the sword back or dont give her enough money to get to Denerim he marries Bella instead, otherwise if you give Kaitlyn the money to get to Denerim then he marries her

bah everything said by the fans is an opinion.

The blight was stopped because the Archdemon died and the darkspawn fall apart when that happens.Not because of any military prowess on the part of the coalition the warden puts together.
No proof the Orlesians would have taken over and set back and forced the Fereldens to do all the fighting for them.

Obviously you don't like Alistair and Eamon.And that's ok.but you should just say so and don't waste space trying to justify it.No need to try to justify your opinion.If you want to kill Alistair, save Loghain, make Anora queen to rule alone then by all means do so and be happy about it and don't be disturbed other players feel differently.

Modifié par Angrywolves, 31 décembre 2013 - 04:09 .

[Marakov7]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

The people at the castle told her the boy had died.Maybe he did and he wasn't Allistair.
Besides she was only his half sister.

I
think killing Allistair is one of the most unwise things a player could
do in the game.It's an outright betrayal and means the player is no
better than Loghain imo.
The overpreoccupation with the succession
aka Allistair would have been a threat to the Cousland throne is
nonsense.Besides the warden can only hold the throne for a while as it
is.
But players can do as they wish.Glad I don't have to follow tthe examples some of them set.

Betrayal? So is his abandoning The Wardens During a Blight setting a dangerous precedent if we allow him to do it. I would have spared him if he didn't try to desert. As for the threat being nonsense? If you call A civil war something not to be concerned about then you are one amusing fellow now aren't you? Even if you ignore that epilogue slide what did you think was happening when Teagan showed up in Kirkwall telling Alistair his exile is finished and he was suddenly allowed home? Do you think Anora so inconsistant that she suddenly decided it was fine to let him back in? As to the no better then Loghain well I don't have a low opnion of Loghain anyway so if I'm regarded as "No better than Loghain" thats fine with me, because I think he's pretty great.

You think killing Alistair is unwise, I think sparing him and allowing him to desert far more unwise

I agree, at least with the first part. It was my opinion that Loghain should have stood trial for his actions and been publicly executed, I alluded to that fact when talking with Anora by saying that her father needed to pay for his crimes. Killing Loghain (as Alistair wanted) would have gone completely against the terms of the duel (as set forth by Alfstanna) and would have been more lawlessness - Ferelden had suffered enough of that during the last year. I "allowed" Alistair to be executed because he was going to turn his back on his oath to the Grey Wardens and abandon "our" country when it needed us most. His actions made his execution necessary, there was no other way. I believe that his hero, Duncan, would have done the same thing - nothing can stand in the way of ending the Blight and his actions greatly jeopardized this. As far as him possibly being a future threat, I didn't think that was a concern at all. Hated seeing him be executed, but there was no real choice - in my mind. Yes, Loghain avoided the gallows by becoming a warden but with Alistair being taken out of the picture, there was no choice - ending the blight was all that mattered at that point.

[Angrywolves]

I don't agree with the anti-Alistair crowd but they played DAO as they wanted to and can play DAI as they want to.

I won't play as they did.

That's freedom isn' it ?

Believe Makarov said nonsense but he can play as he wants to and so can Xdeonx.

shrugs.

[Marakov7]

Angrywolves wrote...

I don't agree with the anti-Alistair crowd but they played DAO as they wanted to and can play DAI as they want to.

I won't play as they did.

That's freedom isn' it ?

Believe Makarov said nonsense but he can play as he wants to and so can Xdeonx.

shrugs.

Well, I appreciate you saying that that it's okay for me to spout nonsense.  I agree, though, that everybody is entitled to their own opinions and decisions when playing the game - for me, reading their ideas (even if I don't agree with them) is a lot of fun.

[Augustei]

Angrywolves wrote...

bah everything said by the fans is an opinion.

The blight was
stopped because the Archdemon died and the darkspawn fall apart when
that happens.Not because of any military prowess on the part of the
coalition the warden puts together.
No proof the Orlesians would have taken over and set back and forced the Fereldens to do all the fighting for them.

Obviously
you don't like Alistair and Eamon.And that's ok.but you should just say
so and don't waste space trying to justify it.No need to try to justify
your opinion.If you want to kill Alistair, save Loghain, make Anora
queen to rule alone then by all means do so and be happy about it and
don't be disturbed other players feel differently.

Proof? true there was none, but there was a strong indication from those Ostagar letters and there were established historical precedents for situations almost identical.

I do like Alistair, my warden was easy friends with him.. I don't like King Alistair however, or the idea of him being King to be more precise... And the fact he tried to desert the Wardens, other than that I like him though. Like I said before I would have taken the risk and spared his life If he didn't try to desert the Wardens like he did.

I don't like Eamon though, that is true.. I respect his skill but I hate his guts as a person.

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 31 décembre 2013 - 05:05 .