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[KC_Prototype]

Threat300 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

KC_Prototype wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I don't care about southern Thedas and its boring mundane people.

Ferelden over everybody!

Nah Tevinter is where its at

#Tevinter Imperium

The Tevinter Imperium is a joke compared to how it used to be & would easily be crushed by the qunari if the qunari where dedicated to doing that.

Yeah, what he said. #GoFereldean!

[Sifr]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Maddok900 wrote...

-If Anora is not unfertile as the rumor says; who their children -the new bloodline of Fereldan Kings- will be named after? Cousland line, or Mac Tir line? This is rather a unique issue, did they even have an heir?
-If it's called the "Cousland Bloodline", can the OGB have a claim on the Fereldan throne?

Mac Tir.

As I've said before, it should be Cousland, surely?

They have the longer lineage of nobility, whilst she's merely the daughter of a commoner born into wealth. Plus marriage into the Cousland line is part of what makes their alliance more acceptable to the Landsmeet, the old blood mixing with Anora's nouvea riche.

Not to be dismissive of Anora and saying she didn't make a good Queen, but she has no claim to the throne, the Landsmeet don't partcularly like her and it was probably only Loghain's influence that stopped them throwing her out of the palace, Cailan's widow or no.

Even in the 40's, political wrangling was the sole reason Elizabeth II didn't adopt Prince Philip's surname after marriage as per tradition and even so, their issue have adopted the house name of Mountbatten-Windsor.

Perhaps they'd do something similar and the kids would be Cousland-Mac Tir, but I doubt Mac Tir on it's own. Cousland's just too old and respected a name in Ferelden to ignore, especially as husband of the Queen and having a brother as the only other Teyrn in the country.

Modifié par Sifr1449, 01 janvier 2014 - 07:32 .

[KC_Prototype]

Sifr1449 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Maddok900 wrote...

-If Anora is not unfertile as the rumor says; who their children -the new bloodline of Fereldan Kings- will be named after? Cousland line, or Mac Tir line? This is rather a unique issue, did they even have an heir?
-If it's called the "Cousland Bloodline", can the OGB have a claim on the Fereldan throne?

Mac Tir.

As I've said before, it should be Cousland, surely?

They have the longer lineage of nobility, whilst she's merely the daughter of a commoner born into wealth. Plus marriage into the Cousland line is part of what makes their alliance more acceptable to the Landsmeet, the old blood mixing with Anora's nouvea riche.

Not to be dismissive of Anora and saying she didn't make a good Queen, but she has no claim to the throne, the Landsmeet don't partcularly like her and it was probably only Loghain's influence that stopped them throwing her out of the palace, Cailan's widow or no.

Even in the 40's, political wrangling was the sole reason Elizabeth II didn't adopt Prince Philip's surname after marriage as per tradition and even so, their issue have adopted the house name of Mountbatten-Windsor.

Perhaps they'd do something similar and the kids would be Cousland-Mac Tir, but I doubt Mac Tir on it's own. Cousland's just too old and respected a name in Ferelden to ignore, especially as husband of the Queen and having a brother as the only other Teyrn in the country.

Cousland FTW!

[Rixatrix]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Ferelden Throne without an heir down the road. It nullifies your choice without retconning. No matter what you did, the outcome is the same.

This.

In many ways, the writers left themselves an "out": Alistair & Cousland are wardens (with iffy fertility) and Anora could be infertile. Whether you have Alistair, Anora, Alistair + Anora, Alistair + F!Cousland, Anora + M!Cousland, there is an explanation for not having any issue.

From a writing perspective, this makes perfect sense for future DA installments, since save game transfer wouldn't yield drastically different royal families (depending on how far into the future they go). We already know the Warden (if alive) has gone missing, so any Fereldan royal wardens are out of the picture for now. That leaves Alistair or Anora, who -- for the sake of convenience -- can be killed off. Then, the writers can have whoever fill the Fereldan monarch's role and forgo dealing with so many different save game transfer scenarios.

I hope they don't go this copout route, but I can understand where they're coming from if they do.

[SgtSteel91]

Or they can have an heir but he/she is the same person regardless if his/her parents are Anora/M!Cousland or Alistair/Anora or Alistair/F!Cousland

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 01 janvier 2014 - 06:19 .

[dragonflight288]

For instance I'm not keen on him putting a weak monarchy into place and setting a precedent of Chancellors ruling Ferelden.. And I don't want Eamon calling the shots thats for certain

My Amell Warden was the Chancellor so Eamon couldn't rule from behind the curtain.

[TeamLexana]

Couslands have been nobles for centuries and seemingly besides an illegitimate Alistair, there were no other Theirins left alive, so it makes some sense a Cousland would be accepted as a ruler. It's the only reason a Cousland is the only female that's allowed to marry King Alistair, so if a female Cousland can hold such weight to an illegitimate bastard to be King, I can see a male Cousland legitimatizing a Mac Tir Queen.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

TeamLexana wrote...

Couslands have been nobles for centuries and seemingly besides an illegitimate Alistair, there were no other Theirins left alive, so it makes some sense a Cousland would be accepted as a ruler. It's the only reason a Cousland is the only female that's allowed to marry King Alistair, so if a female Cousland can hold such weight to an illegitimate bastard to be King, I can see a male Cousland legitimatizing a Mac Tir Queen.

Not the only reason. The reason only the Human Noble origin can marry Alistair or Anora is because the court won't accept anyone else. They don't want a dwarf, an elf, or a mage on the throne. That's 5 of the 6, leaving only Cousland left.

[Angrywolves]

Some players think there may be another son of Maric out there somewhere.How that could ever be proven, no dna testing in thedas sadly, remains to be seen.

[Augustei]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

Or they can have an heir but he/she is the same person regardless if his/her parents are Anora/M!Cousland or Alistair/Anora or Alistair/F!Cousland

And what of Anora alone?

Angrywolves wrote...

Some players think there may be
another son of Maric out there somewhere.How that could ever be proven,
no dna testing in thedas sadly, remains to be seen.

Maybe he lives in the basement of the royal palace and they feed him cheese all day.. Maybe he's a mage!
Seriously though, another unacknowledged bastard wouldn't be suprising but like with Alistair for him to have any hope at all of claiming the throne he will need a great deal of support...Even moreso than Alistair without the threat of a blight this time to force peoples hand...This time all the major noble houses will likely throw their hat in the ring instead of uniting against a common enemy

[Angrywolves]

eh we'll see.
By now the houses should be reluctant to allow division, after seeing what Loghain did.

Whether it's Fergus with a new wife and kids or alone, Bann Teagan married to Kaitlyn or Bella or alone or Anora alone (as Alistair and the warden supposedly have disappeared by the time DAI starts), remains to be seen or whether we as players will need to pick one if we don't use a previous save.shrugs.

[Augustei]

I don't remember anything stating Alistair has disappeared? where is that stated?

Reluctant to allow division? That would suggest Ferelden's nobles capable of intelligent thinking which seems clear they are incapable of (They fight wars over trees, The Bannorn are constantly fighting each other even without the civil wars and blights) In the end though I do think it will be either Teyrn Fergus or Arl Teagan (Its canon now that Eamon abdicated the Arling to him from the comics) or their offspring

[Angrywolves]

It has been said by other players in other threads.

Where they get that I don't know.Maybe from the books or comics.I don't read the books or comics.

shrugs.

[Augustei]

Angrywolves wrote...

It has been said by other players in other threads.

Where they get that I don't know.Maybe from the books or comics.I don't read the books or comics.

shrugs.

I've read the books and comics and theres nothing at all to suggest this, Nor in the games. They are simply making things up

[Hanako Ikezawa]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

It has been said by other players in other threads.

Where they get that I don't know.Maybe from the books or comics.I don't read the books or comics.

shrugs.

I've read the books and comics and theres nothing at all to suggest this, Nor in the games. They are simply making things up

It's in one of the Awakening slides if your Warden romanced him.

[Augustei]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

It has been said by other players in other threads.

Where they get that I don't know.Maybe from the books or comics.I don't read the books or comics.

shrugs.

I've read the books and comics and theres nothing at all to suggest this, Nor in the games. They are simply making things up

It's in one of the Awakening slides if your Warden romanced him.

Ahh yeah found it, Only shows up if he not king though. Otherwise it just shows another slide of the warden returning to Denerim and King Alistair "grinning from ear to ear"
I don't put much stock in Awakening epilogue slides though considering how often they've been contradicted already plus they did say another blight started in The Anderfels. At the least I'd think these are things that wont happen for a long while (30 years or so since I suspect the epilogue slide was indicating they both went for the final warden walk)

[Hanako Ikezawa]

XxDeonxX wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

It's in one of the Awakening slides if your Warden romanced him.

Ahh yeah found it, Only shows up if he not king though. Otherwise it just shows another slide of the warden returning to Denerim and King Alistair "grinning from ear to ear"
I don't put much stock in Awakening epilogue slides though considering how often they've been contradicted already plus they did say another blight started in The Anderfels. At the least I'd think these are things that wont happen for a long while (30 years or so since I suspect the epilogue slide was indicating they both went for the final warden walk)

I was just telling you where they found it, is all. 
And I have doubts about the Calling since it doesn't seem to be nearly the death sentence Alistair said it was.

[sylvanaerie]

Epilogue slides are bugged all to hell (or can be completely retconned), so I put absolutely zero stock in them, preferring to think of them as "rumors heard". Some are pretty cool, like the one with the silver knights and the young shepard you can recruit into the army in Awakenings, but for the most part the only ones I think matter are are "Who ruled Ferelden, and how well they did" slides. Ultimately, for the purposes of future games, that's the only one that matters.

[sylvanaerie]

MasterScribe wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Epilogue slides are bugged all to hell (or can be completely retconned), so I put absolutely zero stock in them, preferring to think of them as "rumors heard". Some are pretty cool, like the one with the silver knights and the young shepard you can recruit into the army in Awakenings, but for the most part the only ones I think matter are are "Who ruled Ferelden, and how well they did" slides. Ultimately, for the purposes of future games, that's the only one that matters.

A bit off topic, but one of Morrigan's slides alluded to her present situation - being Empress Celene's court mage in Orlais.

Do you know for sure that she's the court mage in Orlais, or are you simply assuming this because she's going to be in Inquisition?  I recall a lot of people on the boards insisted the white haired female in the DA2 promotional pics were (alternately Morrigan or the OGB).  I knew all along it was going to be Flemeth, though there was no confirmation at the time.

[sylvanaerie]

yeaaaa....ummm I'll wait to see. I don't see anything from that says "She's Celene's court wizard" it's just a promotional pic...It may be she is, it may be she isn't, but I'm not going to make any assumptions till we find out for sure. Because we all know how Bioware loves to tease it's fans.

[sylvanaerie]

Considering that's Sten's favorite Ferelden thing, cookies should be mandatory!

[Rixatrix]

sylvanaerie wrote...

yeaaaa....ummm I'll wait to see. I don't see anything from that says "She's Celene's court wizard" it's just a promotional pic...It may be she is, it may be she isn't, but I'm not going to make any assumptions till we find out for sure. Because we all know how Bioware loves to tease it's fans.

It's at least a likely option. Possible DA:O epilogue slide:

Morrigan leaves the party the night before the final battle when the Warden refuses her offer. She is later seen traveling through the Frostback Mountains alone. Several years later, tales out of Orlais said that a strange dark-haired mage had insinuated herself into the empress's court .(Male PC must not engage in romance with Morrigan for this to trigger).

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