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[Angrywolves]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

It has been said by other players in other threads.

Where they get that I don't know.Maybe from the books or comics.I don't read the books or comics.

shrugs.

I've read the books and comics and theres nothing at all to suggest this, Nor in the games. They are simply making things up

we shall see.

I believe them btw.

Masterscribe said:

"BioWare should make that a thing. Provide proof that you accurately predicted something about the game and you get a cookie.
'

Gaider laughed at us in the predictions thread.He said a broken clock is right every once in a while.Made me laugh too. One of the few times I've ever seen his human side.

so you're a broken clock, rotfl.

Modifié par Angrywolves, 03 janvier 2014 - 01:36 .

[In Exile]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Epilogue slides are bugged all to hell (or can be completely retconned), so I put absolutely zero stock in them, preferring to think of them as "rumors heard". Some are pretty cool, like the one with the silver knights and the young shepard you can recruit into the army in Awakenings, but for the most part the only ones I think matter are are "Who ruled Ferelden, and how well they did" slides. Ultimately, for the purposes of future games, that's the only one that matters.

The slides were a "here's the ending and future if we don't get a sequel". Since they got a sequel, they had to either work around those slides or ignore them. They chose ignore. Same with DA:A, and since they had a good idea DA2 would have a sequel, that's why there weren't epilogue slides (but Varric did talk a bit about Hawke running off with the LI). 

[In Exile]

MasterScribe wrote...
"Morrigan leaves the party the night before the final battle when the Warden refuses her offer. She is later seen traveling through the Frostback Mountains alone. Several years later, tales out of Orlais said that a strange dark-haired mage had insinuated herself into the empress's court."

This suggests that any DAO epilogue slide could be used to fill the story gaps between DAO and DAI.

You mean the slide that only triggers if there's not just no OGB, but no romance with Morrigan at all? Yes, it's entirely possible they liked the idea of "Morrigan in Orlais", but it's certainly not "several years later" since she was beyond the Eluvian for quite some time in some of these. 

Bioware will have a story in place that they like, but it's sheer fluke a slide coincides. Just like at how LOL all the Anders DA:A slides read like now. Or the Leliana ones from DA:O. 

[Fast Jimmy]

In Exile wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Epilogue slides are bugged all to hell (or can be completely retconned), so I put absolutely zero stock in them, preferring to think of them as "rumors heard". Some are pretty cool, like the one with the silver knights and the young shepard you can recruit into the army in Awakenings, but for the most part the only ones I think matter are are "Who ruled Ferelden, and how well they did" slides. Ultimately, for the purposes of future games, that's the only one that matters.

The slides were a "here's the ending and future if we don't get a sequel". Since they got a sequel, they had to either work around those slides or ignore them. They chose ignore. Same with DA:A, and since they had a good idea DA2 would have a sequel, that's why there weren't epilogue slides (but Varric did talk a bit about Hawke running off with the LI). 

Another limitation of the Save Import system - players will believe the endings you tell them happen, even if they don't have any possible chance of being supported in a future title.

[HiroVoid]

How many points does that make now for the limitations of the save import system Jimmy?

[Fast Jimmy]

HiroVoid wrote...

How many points does that make now for the limitations of the save import system Jimmy?

I'm tempted to risk a ban by posting an "OVER 9000!!!!!!!" meme here, but I'll just say... it's a lot.

[KC_Prototype]

MasterScribe wrote...

In Exile wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Epilogue slides are bugged all to hell (or can be completely retconned), so I put absolutely zero stock in them, preferring to think of them as "rumors heard". Some are pretty cool, like the one with the silver knights and the young shepard you can recruit into the army in Awakenings, but for the most part the only ones I think matter are are "Who ruled Ferelden, and how well they did" slides. Ultimately, for the purposes of future games, that's the only one that matters.

The slides were a "here's the ending and future if we don't get a sequel". Since they got a sequel, they had to either work around those slides or ignore them. They chose ignore. Same with DA:A, and since they had a good idea DA2 would have a sequel, that's why there weren't epilogue slides (but Varric did talk a bit about Hawke running off with the LI). 

As mentioned earlier, they didn't ignore all the slides. Morrigan is in Orlais, most likely associating with Empress Celene, judging from one of the pre-release images. This was alluded to in one of the epilogue slides.

"Morrigan leaves the party the night before the final battle when the Warden refuses her offer. She is later seen traveling through the Frostback Mountains alone. Several years later, tales out of Orlais said that a strange dark-haired mage had insinuated herself into the empress's court."

This suggests that any DAO epilogue slide could be used to fill the story gaps between DAO and DAI.

It matches her current state of DA:I now with the Orlesian dress and palace she's in. Same for the Warden; If the Warden-Commander had a romance with and chooses to follow Morrian  at the end of Origins, and none of his companions stay with him after the original epilogue, he leaves Vigil's Keep, and some claim that he chose to follow the dark-haired sorceress who fought alongside him during the Blight. Whether he found her or not, he never returns to Vigil's Keep again.

[Martyr1777]

First I have to say, awesome topic way to go OP and great conversation by those that have followed.

Anyway, it's pretty hard to say which bloodline would have the larger following in the end. You have the legend that is Loghain which isn't far short of the legend of the Warden. I think the Couslands would win out in the end just due to their long history in the realm. I'm not going to make any qualifier like "assuming children", because the fact of the matter is both sides die away without someone producing children after the blight. The Couslands might have some distant relative from a marriage to a Bann or Arl at some point however, not so with the Mac Tir as they only have 1 member of the second generation, Anora.

So its either the Couslands or neither.

I love the Cousland Origin, probably my favorite.But it certainly made for a tough choice in my case. I started out really liking Alistair, funny guy. But in the end a bit of a whiner and certainly no leader. He admits so himself outside Lothering, and personally never thought otherwise. But he makes a good friend. On the other side, I despised Loghain, dirty stinking traitorous rat.

So if Alistair is no leader the Landsmeet rolls around and people seem to like Anora, so a Cousland joining her on the throne didn't just sound appealing but seemed right. But then it comes about that you can't marry her and get rid of Loghain, not only that you spare Loghain and Alistair flips his lid (rightfully so). So my playthrough... Exiled my friend, spared the traitor, and became Prince-Consort/Warden Commander/Hero of Fereldan... Oh and did I mention this was after falling in love with Morrigan, making the OGB, then disappearing from the Denerim in search of the lost mysterious love.

Lol you can't get a more complicated combination of events but that's what I love about it. I don't think there is any other RPG in the world that can give you that kind of complicated (if melodramatic) depth.

I have to say, after reading the books though... Loghain is the baddest mf'er out there. The ultimate warrior and general. However I think the Loghain from the books and from DAO are 2 different characters which is a shame because it would have made DAO so much more interesting if Loghain had that extra depth. But as it was, as hateable as he was Loghain was a far better villian them the vast majority in any other game.

[Peer of the Empire]

It's the Cousland dynasty.  The Warden is a King.  My warden is strong enough to make things happen

He is a national hero married to the recognized Queen with the loyalty of many armies.  The line of Theirin is extinct; that happy go lucky fool Alistair got the carefree life he always wanted

Modifié par Peer of the Empire, 03 janvier 2014 - 05:38 .

[sylvanaerie]

Martyr1777 wrote...

First I have to say, awesome topic way to go OP and great conversation by those that have followed.

Anyway, it's pretty hard to say which bloodline would have the larger following in the end. You have the legend that is Loghain which isn't far short of the legend of the Warden. I think the Couslands would win out in the end just due to their long history in the realm. I'm not going to make any qualifier like "assuming children", because the fact of the matter is both sides die away without someone producing children after the blight. The Couslands might have some distant relative from a marriage to a Bann or Arl at some point however, not so with the Mac Tir as they only have 1 member of the second generation, Anora.

So its either the Couslands or neither.

I love the Cousland Origin, probably my favorite.But it certainly made for a tough choice in my case. I started out really liking Alistair, funny guy. But in the end a bit of a whiner and certainly no leader. He admits so himself outside Lothering, and personally never thought otherwise. But he makes a good friend. On the other side, I despised Loghain, dirty stinking traitorous rat.

So if Alistair is no leader the Landsmeet rolls around and people seem to like Anora, so a Cousland joining her on the throne didn't just sound appealing but seemed right. But then it comes about that you can't marry her and get rid of Loghain, not only that you spare Loghain and Alistair flips his lid (rightfully so). So my playthrough... Exiled my friend, spared the traitor, and became Prince-Consort/Warden Commander/Hero of Fereldan... Oh and did I mention this was after falling in love with Morrigan, making the OGB, then disappearing from the Denerim in search of the lost mysterious love.

Lol you can't get a more complicated combination of events but that's what I love about it. I don't think there is any other RPG in the world that can give you that kind of complicated (if melodramatic) depth.

I have to say, after reading the books though... Loghain is the baddest mf'er out there. The ultimate warrior and general. However I think the Loghain from the books and from DAO are 2 different characters which is a shame because it would have made DAO so much more interesting if Loghain had that extra depth. But as it was, as hateable as he was Loghain was a far better villian them the vast majority in any other game.

Actually you can kill Loghain and still become King.  Have Alistair (he has to be unhardened) do the head chopping.  This is what I did on my King Cousland.

[In Exile]

Peer of the Empire wrote...

It's the Cousland dynasty.  The Warden is a King.  My warden is strong enough to make things happen

It's absolutely not. You're (a) not King, Anora straight up tells you that and ( she also straight up tells you that you're a figurehead for her. I mean, I'm sure you can headcannon what you want, but the terms of her deal are that you get no real power whatsoever. 

[KC_Prototype]

In Exile wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

It's the Cousland dynasty.  The Warden is a King.  My warden is strong enough to make things happen

It's absolutely not. You're (a) not King, Anora straight up tells you that and ( she also straight up tells you that you're a figurehead for her. I mean, I'm sure you can headcannon what you want, but the terms of her deal are that you get no real power whatsoever. 

That doesn't mean ****! You killed the Archdemon and so on, what the hell has she done for everybody recently?

[Angrywolves]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

How many points does that make now for the limitations of the save import system Jimmy?

I'm tempted to risk a ban by posting an "OVER 9000!!!!!!!" meme here, but I'll just say... it's a lot.

Ninja Stan will get you.Rotfl.

I think the Cousland warden if he marries Anora is the prince consort and isn't officially king.
Of course that could have changed since the events in DAO, especially if Anora is happy with the results.Rotfl.

Modifié par Angrywolves, 03 janvier 2014 - 10:55 .

[SgtSteel91]

KC_Prototype wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

It's the Cousland dynasty.  The Warden is a King.  My warden is strong enough to make things happen

It's absolutely not. You're (a) not King, Anora straight up tells you that and ( she also straight up tells you that you're a figurehead for her. I mean, I'm sure you can headcannon what you want, but the terms of her deal are that you get no real power whatsoever. 

That doesn't mean ****! You killed the Archdemon and so on, what the hell has she done for everybody recently?

Run the country before the Blight happened?

[In Exile]

KC_Prototype wrote...

That doesn't mean ****! You killed the Archdemon and so on, what the hell has she done for everybody recently?

All of your achievements weren't good enough to have the Landsmeet pick you as King before you killed it, so why would a dragon skull change things up now? 

The basic reality of DA:O is that the Warden only has a say in governance via Alistair. 

[The Elder King]

Considering that the Warden left Ferelden for who knows what, I'd say the matter about king-Prince consort is pretty pointless. I'm more interested if any o the various ruler combinations generated children. Since by default every combination of the Ferelden ruler (Alistair, Anora, Alistair-Warden, Anora-Warden or Alistair-Anora) would have difficulty in having a child, I think a likely outcome is that Ferelden could fall in a new civil war for the throne after Alistair or Anora's death.

[sylvanaerie]

hhh89 wrote...

Considering that the Warden left Ferelden for who knows what, I'd say the matter about king-Prince consort is pretty pointless. I'm more interested if any o the various ruler combinations generated children. Since by default every combination of the Ferelden ruler (Alistair, Anora, Alistair-Warden, Anora-Warden or Alistair-Anora) would have difficulty in having a child, I think a likely outcome is that Ferelden could fall in a new civil war for the throne after Alistair or Anora's death.

^^ This.  So much more interesting than some boring 'Dynasty'.  Been there, done that, got scared by the shoulder pads and the big hair.  

[Angrywolves]

hhh89 wrote...

Considering that the Warden left Ferelden for who knows what, I'd say the matter about king-Prince consort is pretty pointless. I'm more interested if any o the various ruler combinations generated children. Since by default every combination of the Ferelden ruler (Alistair, Anora, Alistair-Warden, Anora-Warden or Alistair-Anora) would have difficulty in having a child, I think a likely outcome is that Ferelden could fall in a new civil war for the throne after Alistair or Anora's death.

I doubt Gaider would let either Alistair have kids with Anora or the Cousland warden have children with her.  Same with Alistair and a fem Cousland warden.Too much writing fodder for  another succession fight.<_<<_<

Modifié par Angrywolves, 04 janvier 2014 - 12:33 .

[Augustei]

Angrywolves wrote...
so you're a broken clock, rotfl.

Your the one making assumptions...so =P

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 05 janvier 2014 - 05:22 .

[dragonflight288]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

KC_Prototype wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

It's the Cousland dynasty.  The Warden is a King.  My warden is strong enough to make things happen

It's absolutely not. You're (a) not King, Anora straight up tells you that and ( she also straight up tells you that you're a figurehead for her. I mean, I'm sure you can headcannon what you want, but the terms of her deal are that you get no real power whatsoever. 

That doesn't mean ****! You killed the Archdemon and so on, what the hell has she done for everybody recently?

Run the country before the Blight happened?

And everyone knew it was her running the show and not Cailan.

[Peer of the Empire]

In Exile wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

It's the Cousland dynasty.  The Warden is a King.  My warden is strong enough to make things happen

It's absolutely not. You're (a) not King, Anora straight up tells you that and ( she also straight up tells you that you're a figurehead for her. I mean, I'm sure you can headcannon what you want, but the terms of her deal are that you get no real power whatsoever. 

Except I am the King.  I tell her what to do.  Those who have other ideas can face my armies

I don't let her tell me what to do, and that is why I am King and you are not

Modifié par Peer of the Empire, 05 janvier 2014 - 07:31 .

[Mummy22kids]

I don't know what you all are talking about. Alistair is King and the Cousland Warden is Queen.

[Addai]

Maddok900 wrote...
If we accept Ferelden as an allegory of medieval England, a complete shift in the ruling bloodline could never happen, someone would find a loosely-related cousin or something even if they had to search the whole of Europe step by step.

There were dynastic shifts in medieval England.  Owen Tudor was a soldier and courtier whose heirs went on to become the ruling dynasty, and the crown passed to the House of Stuart when there was no Tudor heir, and then the House of Hanover.