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[dragonflight288]

Peer of the Empire wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

It's the Cousland dynasty.  The Warden is a King.  My warden is strong enough to make things happen

It's absolutely not. You're (a) not King, Anora straight up tells you that and ( she also straight up tells you that you're a figurehead for her. I mean, I'm sure you can headcannon what you want, but the terms of her deal are that you get no real power whatsoever. 

Except I am the King.  I tell her what to do.  Those who have other ideas can face my armies

I don't let her tell me what to do, and that is why I am King and you are not

Um, the Landsmeet declares you Prince-Consort, not King. Officially you have no real power in Ferelden. And all the nobels know it.

Besides, Ferelden doesn't work that way. If you want to muster troops to build an army, rather than simply giving the word and expecting it to happen, you have to appeal to the bannorn. Loghain needed a new army after Ostagar, and if he had all the power that being Regent should've given him, and his claim was perfectly legitimate, he should've been able to get that army. But because the Bannorn a) didn't trust him, and saw a power vacuum with Cailan's death despite there being a queen (she's the child of a commoner) there ended up being a civil war.

[The Elder King]

Peer of the Empire wrote...

Except I am the King.  I tell her what to do.  Those who have other ideas can face my armies

I don't let her tell me what to do, and that is why I am King and you are not

This is just headcanon. Furthermore, even in the case your Warden assumed control of Ferelden, he still left it for good, so Anora would still be in power.

[Angrywolves]

hhh89 wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

Except I am the King.  I tell her what to do.  Those who have other ideas can face my armies

I don't let her tell me what to do, and that is why I am King and you are not

This is just headcanon. Furthermore, even in the case your Warden assumed control of Ferelden, he still left it for good, so Anora would still be in power.

True that.

It seems iffy.I don't know where you can see a timeline of events up to the present aka where DAI starts.Is Allistair still around if he married Anora or is he gone/missing.We assume the warden has disappeared.
That leaves Fergus, or Bann Teagan if Anora is gone or Anora of course if she was Queen.

[Zerker]

Regardless of "heirs", the Cousland ascension to the position of King-consort most likely made the Couslands the family that held the most weight in the country, followed by Guerrins and possibly Mac Tirs.

Even if we don't see any follow-ups on that story, like a King Fergus or a royal heir, seeing the results of this great political shift is a must.

[The Elder King]

@Angrywolves: I don't see why Alistair would be missing. I didn't read the comics, but I think he was going to return to Ferelden, and since in the comics he's king the events happened in all the playthrough where he's king, so he should be safe. Teagan, Eamon and are likely alive, as Anora if she's queen (who knows where she is if she's not).

@Maddok900: The Couslands were already the most powerful family already in DAO, so a royal marriage likely strenghtened their position.
Though regardless of the outcome in DAO, if there's no heir when Alistair/Anora will die it's likely that the family that will contend the throne most would be the Cousland and the Guerrin. I don't know about the Mac Tir since we don't know if there are other members who became nobles other than Loghain and Anora.

Modifié par hhh89, 06 janvier 2014 - 02:28 .

[Peer of the Empire]

hhh89 wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

Except I am the King.  I tell her what to do.  Those who have other ideas can face my armies

I don't let her tell me what to do, and that is why I am King and you are not

This is just headcanon. Furthermore, even in the case your Warden assumed control of Ferelden, he still left it for good, so Anora would still be in power.

Nonsense.  I'm married to her and it is not possible to avoid interacting with me.  If anything is headcanon it's the assumption that consort being mentioned means consort is.  You autists have a little to learn about human relations

And King Warden never left

Modifié par Peer of the Empire, 07 janvier 2014 - 05:06 .

[Peer of the Empire]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

It's the Cousland dynasty.  The Warden is a King.  My warden is strong enough to make things happen

It's absolutely not. You're (a) not King, Anora straight up tells you that and ( she also straight up tells you that you're a figurehead for her. I mean, I'm sure you can headcannon what you want, but the terms of her deal are that you get no real power whatsoever. 

Except I am the King.  I tell her what to do.  Those who have other ideas can face my armies

I don't let her tell me what to do, and that is why I am King and you are not

Um, the Landsmeet declares you Prince-Consort, not King. Officially you have no real power in Ferelden. And all the nobels know it.

Besides, Ferelden doesn't work that way. If you want to muster troops to build an army, rather than simply giving the word and expecting it to happen, you have to appeal to the bannorn. Loghain needed a new army after Ostagar, and if he had all the power that being Regent should've given him, and his claim was perfectly legitimate, he should've been able to get that army. But because the Bannorn a) didn't trust him, and saw a power vacuum with Cailan's death despite there being a queen (she's the child of a commoner) there ended up being a civil war.

Well then there'll just have to be a second civil war. 

Let those who stand against the heroic Warden King, married to the beloved Queen, face our armies

Modifié par Peer of the Empire, 07 janvier 2014 - 05:02 .

[Augustei]

Peer of the Empire wrote...
Let those who stand against the heroic Warden King, married to the beloved Queen, face our armies

Prince-Consort

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 07 janvier 2014 - 09:40 .

[The Elder King]

Peer of the Empire wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
This is just headcanon. Furthermore, even in the case your Warden assumed control of Ferelden, he still left it for good, so Anora would still be in power.

Nonsense.  I'm married to her and it is not possible to avoid interacting with me.  If anything is headcanon it's the assumption that consort being mentioned means consort is.  You autists have a little to learn about human relations

And King Warden never left

I didn't say that Warden is just a consort who let Anora do what she wants. I'm questioning your ridicolous notion that your Warden assumes complete control of the country. All we know is that a struggle of power will be present between Anora and the Warden. We have no clue to know how it'd end, unless you're making headcanon. 
And no, the king Warden left Ferelden. It happens all the time, regardless of the outcome of the Landsmeeet. Sorry for bursting your bubble. Check DA2's ending.

[andy6915]

hhh89 wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
This is just headcanon. Furthermore, even in the case your Warden assumed control of Ferelden, he still left it for good, so Anora would still be in power.

Nonsense.  I'm married to her and it is not possible to avoid interacting with me.  If anything is headcanon it's the assumption that consort being mentioned means consort is.  You autists have a little to learn about human relations

And King Warden never left

I didn't say that Warden is just a consort who let Anora do what she wants. I'm questioning your ridicolous notion that your Warden assumes complete control of the country. All we know is that a struggle of power will be present between Anora and the Warden. We have no clue to know how it'd end, unless you're making headcanon. 
And no, the king Warden left Ferelden. It happens all the time, regardless of the outcome of the Landsmeeet. Sorry for bursting your bubble. Check DA2's ending.

If you really want power, become "princess consort". Hardened or not, it's Alistair. Doesn't matter who officially has the king title, you are definitely the real power behind the throne. He's the public figurehead, but your female Cousland is the true ruler. I mean, you think he's going to go against your word? It might be his voice, but your words are the ones being said. Anora on the other hand definitely wouldn't let herself be a mouthpiece for you like Alistair is if you're married to him. I know he doesn't let that happen if you marry him to Anora, but that's because he hates her. A wife who he loves and adores is a different story, he'll happily just defer to you on everything.

Don't get me wrong, my female Cousland isn't just using him. She really does truly love him. But you are definitely the real ruler if you marry him, no question.

[Augustei]

The Warden would have to be an idiot to attempt seize power by military force from Anora... I don't doubt he probably could succeed but he sure took the unnecessary & difficult path, not to mention it sets very dangerous precedents. Plus Ferelden cant afford another civil war right now, the country hasn't even recovered from the last one and the blight.. And it would turn the Landsmeet against him and he would be a King without legitimacy since the Landsmeet approved Anora as the Monarch not him.

The Warden can be powerful and even increase his power as Prince-Consort without starting a war.
Also lol at The Warden who challenges Anora simply because he insists on being able to strut about and call himself King

[The Elder King]

@andy69156915: is your post referred to me or Peer of the Empire?
For Anora and the Warden, all we know is that a power struggle might happen (if they'll not find a balance). We don't know how it'd go. For Alistair and the Warden, I don't think that Alistair, if hardened, would do anything she says. It's not about love, but his personality. The Warden certainly would have a lot of influence, but that doesn't mean he's be just a mouthpiece. Beside, the Warden might not be interested in ruling at all.
As for Alistair and Anora, I don't think that he hates her. He doesn't like her much (expecially because she's similar to Loghain), but I don't think that it's hate. Their relationship could grow. And Alitair is the definitive mouthpiece if he's unhardened and married to Anora. The reason he stands up as hardened is because he decided to not let others manipulate him. Unhardened Alistair is manipulated by everyone (Eamon. Anora, Warden-Queen, Warden-Chancellor). An hardened Alistair is more difficult to manipulate and is more willing to rule.
I don't really care about ruling. My canon Warden isn't on the throne.
edited thanks to XXdeonXX correcting me.

Modifié par hhh89, 07 janvier 2014 - 01:24 .

[Augustei]

hhh89 wrote...
For Anora and the Warden, all we know is that a power struggle is going to happen.

We don't know that at all, we can assume but all that is, is speculation and headcanon.
And if your referring to the epilogue slide then you didn't read it correctly... It says together they would bring about a golden age in Ferelden not seen since Calenhad If theu dont end up fighting each other for power.

[The Elder King]

XxDeonxX wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
For Anora and the Warden, all we know is that a power struggle is going to happen.

We don't know that at all, we can assume but all that is, is speculation and headcanon.
And if your referring to the epilogue slide then you didn't read it correctly... It says together they would bring about a golden age in Ferelden not seen since Calenhad If theu dont end up fighting each other for power.

Yes, I remember the slide wrong. Either they'll find a balance, or they'll fight.

[andy6915]

hhh89 wrote...

@andy69156915: is your post referred to me or Peer of the Empire?
For Anora and the Warden, all we know is that a power struggle might happen (if they'll not find a balance). We don't know how it'd go. For Alistair and the Warden, I don't think that Alistair, if hardened, would do anything she says. It's not about love, but his personality. The Warden certainly would have a lot of influence, but that doesn't mean he's be just a mouthpiece. Beside, the Warden might not be interested in ruling at all.
As for Alistair and Anora, I don't think that he hates her. He doesn't like her much (expecially because she's similar to Loghain), but I don't think that it's hate. Their relationship could grow. And Alitair is the definitive mouthpiece if he's unhardened and married to Anora. The reason he stands up as hardened is because he decided to not let others manipulate him. Unhardened Alistair is manipulated by everyone (Eamon. Anora, Warden-Queen, Warden-Chancellor). An hardened Alistair is more difficult to manipulate and is more willing to rule.
I don't really care about ruling. My canon Warden isn't on the throne.
edited thanks to XXdeonXX correcting me.

It wasn't to anyone, it was a general statement to the whole thread. If it was meant to someone I would likely have quoted them.

[The Elder King]

@andy69156915: fair enough, though you quoted me.

[jaza]

Peer of the Empire wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

Except I am the King.  I tell her what to do.  Those who have other ideas can face my armies

I don't let her tell me what to do, and that is why I am King and you are not

This is just headcanon. Furthermore, even in the case your Warden assumed control of Ferelden, he still left it for good, so Anora would still be in power.

Nonsense.  I'm married to her and it is not possible to avoid interacting with me.  If anything is headcanon it's the assumption that consort being mentioned means consort is.  You autists have a little to learn about human relations

And King Prince-Consort Warden never left

The Warden left, regardless of what you may wish. Check DA2s ending if our word isn't good enough.

[Bizantura]

Maddok900 wrote...

As someone way too much into history, the scenario in Origins in which the Cousland Warden marries the Queen Anora amuses me a lot.
If we accept Ferelden as an allegory of medieval England, a complete shift in the ruling bloodline could never happen, someone would find a loosely-related cousin or something even if they had to search the whole of Europe step by step.

However, we witness that shift in the fantasy England(kind of), Ferelden. The nobility actually agress to a Queen-consort(Anora) taking the throne as a proper Queen. And then, there is the matter of Cousland Warden.

Neither the Mac Tir line, nor the Cousland line carry Theirin blood. So, assuming that Anora succeeds as the Queen, the head of the state, and the Cousland assumes the position of King-consort, or Prince-consort, there are a lot of questions left unanswered:

-If Anora is not unfertile as the rumor says; who their children -the new bloodline of Fereldan Kings- will be named after? Cousland line, or Mac Tir line? This is rather a unique issue, did they even have an heir?
-If it's called the "Cousland Bloodline", can the OGB have a claim on the Fereldan throne?

I understand that this stuff is rather trivial, that's just the history nerd in me talking after hearing the word "shift in bloodlines" and getting hyped over it. It's all very interesting, here's hoping I'm not alone in this and we will have answers, or at least references for these questions in the third game of the series.

In reality this would never happen.  But how many commonors knows this, many rather love the fairy taile one where the prince falls in love with and marry the commoner girl.

[andy6915]

hhh89 wrote...

@andy69156915: fair enough, though you quoted me.

[blinks]

I... Did?

Huh.

I must have done so because your post was a good leap pad to say what I wanted about Alistair. Sorry for quoting you and later saying I didn't.

[Augustei]

Bizantura wrote...

Maddok900 wrote...

As someone way too much into history, the scenario in Origins in which the Cousland Warden marries the Queen Anora amuses me a lot.
If we accept Ferelden as an allegory of medieval England, a complete shift in the ruling bloodline could never happen, someone would find a loosely-related cousin or something even if they had to search the whole of Europe step by step.

However, we witness that shift in the fantasy England(kind of), Ferelden. The nobility actually agress to a Queen-consort(Anora) taking the throne as a proper Queen. And then, there is the matter of Cousland Warden.

Neither the Mac Tir line, nor the Cousland line carry Theirin blood. So, assuming that Anora succeeds as the Queen, the head of the state, and the Cousland assumes the position of King-consort, or Prince-consort, there are a lot of questions left unanswered:

-If Anora is not unfertile as the rumor says; who their children -the new bloodline of Fereldan Kings- will be named after? Cousland line, or Mac Tir line? This is rather a unique issue, did they even have an heir?
-If it's called the "Cousland Bloodline", can the OGB have a claim on the Fereldan throne?

I understand that this stuff is rather trivial, that's just the history nerd in me talking after hearing the word "shift in bloodlines" and getting hyped over it. It's all very interesting, here's hoping I'm not alone in this and we will have answers, or at least references for these questions in the third game of the series.

In reality this would never happen.  But how many commonors knows this, many rather love the fairy taile one where the prince falls in love with and marry the commoner girl.

It actually has happened, Completely new dynasties founded by esentially Commoners or upjumped Nobles once Commoners that have absolutely no blood ties to the old dynasties in any way. (See Post-Han China as just one example) Not to mention Roman Emperors from the ranks of the Millitary Generals and such

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 07 janvier 2014 - 06:40 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

Peer of the Empire wrote...

You autists have a little to learn about human relations

And you neurotypicals have even more to learn about logical reasoning.

Is your conclusion compatible with the available evidence (particularly the ending of DA2)?

[BobZilla84]

I wish Bioware would have went another direction instead of the Warden/Hawke vanishing. I know there would have been issues but by removing them like they did further nullifies our choices.Also I still think Cousland/Anora or Cousland/Alistair could have been brought into Inquisition without any real problems say The Inquisitor meets Anora/Alistair during the game their Warden Spouse could have been ruling Ferelden in their stead.Instead Bioware took the quickway out by removing the Warden Completely.

[Martyr1777]

hhh89 wrote...

Considering that the Warden left Ferelden for who knows what, I'd say the matter about king-Prince consort is pretty pointless. I'm more interested if any o the various ruler combinations generated children. Since by default every combination of the Ferelden ruler (Alistair, Anora, Alistair-Warden, Anora-Warden or Alistair-Anora) would have difficulty in having a child, I think a likely outcome is that Ferelden could fall in a new civil war for the throne after Alistair or Anora's death.

This is the likely truth of the matter. Also quite likely why Fereldan is included in DA:I again (among being the home of the franchise of course).

[Angrywolves]

I think it's likely there isn't a civil war.
Either Anora is Queen or Fergus or Bann Teagan is King if there is no Anora.

[Augustei]

Angrywolves wrote...

I think it's likely there isn't a civil war.
Either Anora is Queen or Fergus or Bann Teagan is King if there is no Anora.

I hope there isn't, we just bloody had one lol
Not to mention theres another one in Orlais

I hope that if there indeed is some sort of conflict its not a civil war but just a sucession crisis like in Orzammar.