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[Mike3207]

A nice thread. I'll add a couple of things though I'm a bit late to the party:

 

The Warden also is Arl of Amaranthine and possibly Teyrn/Teyrna of Gwaren. I'd have to think that if the Warden is missing or dead, inheritance rights would pass to the Couslands. If Anora is still alive, the Mac Tirs might have a claim on that territory as well. It all depends on if the Warden left a will, and if he did what was in the will.

 

You get a lot of references to a King Cousland or at least the ruler being called King in DA2. I really think after a couple of years the Warden Cousland was formalized as King in a future Landsmeet. I imagine we'll find out for sure in DAI.

 

I've always picked the Drunk Alistair, but the end of the DA2 cameo makes me wonder. It looks like the Guerrins are going to use him to create rebellion, so it might be the best choice after all to execute him. I think as long as Alistair is alive Eamon will try and put him on the throne.

[legbamel]

Why on Thedas would there be a power struggle when the Wardens know a perfectly willing Crow?

 

Personally, I'd like to see Anora stay in that tower, Alistair abdicating for Warden-y reasons, and Teagan on the throne, his wife having died in childbirth so the Inquisitor can swoop in and sweep him off his feet without having to worry about producing an heir.  I'd settle for Fergus as king, though.

[Marrissa]

To be honest, I'd love for Fiona and Maric's child to be not Alistair. A completely new character could bring a lot of story potential.

[Peer of the Empire]

The Warden would have to be an idiot to attempt seize power by military force from Anora... I don't doubt he probably could succeed but he sure took the unnecessary & difficult path, not to mention it sets very dangerous precedents. Plus Ferelden cant afford another civil war right now, the country hasn't even recovered from the last one and the blight.. And it would turn the Landsmeet against him and he would be a King without legitimacy since the Landsmeet approved Anora as the Monarch not him.

 

Of course it would.  But this isn't England.

 

 

The Warden can be powerful and even increase his power as Prince-Consort without starting a war.
Also lol at The Warden who challenges Anora simply because he insists on being able to strut about and call himself King

 

I am King.  Anora loves me and accepts.  I'm not sure why I would be challenging Anora for anything.

 

Lol @ those not charismatic enough to convince Anora to follow them.

 

 

A lot of effeminates here, with their effeminate standards of behavior.  And that is why you will never be King

[Shadow Fox]

I'm sorry, did you miss the part where Loghain left the king's army and nearly ALL the Grey Wardens to die at Ostagar because of his stubborn belief that the Grey Wardens weren't needed to end a bight and because of his ridiculous fear of Orlais, critically endangering Ferelden in the process? He even went as far as blaming the remaining 2 Wardens, endangering Ferelden's last hope.

Had Alistair and the PC not survived and fought Loghain in the Landsmeet, Ferelden would be DEAD thanks to Loghain.

And then you decide to show mercy. I mean what? Ofcourse Alistair's going to throw an ultimatum "him or me" out there! Because of Loghain, all of his friends are dead, Duncan, who was one of the most important figures in his life, died with them, his surrogate father figure was deadly poisoned and nearly died, his half-brother who was the son of Loghain's best friend died, making Alistair a forced candidate for the throne (and he doesn't like it, at all, untill you harden him) and threatening his as well as the PC's life by blaming them and sending assassin's after them.

And now I'm not even talking about forcing elves into slavery, capturing and torturing Riordan so that he could not warn anyone and letting Arl Howe run loose.

Loghain had gone completely mad at that point.

Let's be friends.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

The Warden left, regardless of what you may wish. Check DA2s ending if our word isn't good enough.

 

That's just rumor and hearsay.

[Shadow Fox]

That's just rumor and hearsay.

That was sarcasm right?

[The Elder King]

That's just rumor and hearsay.

It's not rumour. Cassandra said that Hawke disappeared, and Leliana sais 'just like the Warden' or something similar. They're both gone.

[KaiserShep]

I still think that adding that little line was a mistake. I wouldn't mind being proven wrong with a satisfying follow-up, but I have my doubts.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The hero mysteriously vanishing to tend to some unknown has been Boware's MO for over a decade. It's not surprising.

[KaiserShep]

The hero mysteriously vanishing to tend to some unknown has been Boware's MO for over a decade. It's not surprising.

 

Not to say that I'm surprised, but I have to say, it does kind of make the character's journey feel hollow, as if they're being unceremoniously disposed of rather than leaving them to their respective resolutions. Of course, this all depends on what happens in DAI, so I guess I can't really make a good judgment of it yet.

[Jack Druthers]

There is a another side to the power struggle.  If the HN dumps Morrigan after the Landsmeet in favour of marrying Anora.  Which prompts her to say "So I hear there will be wedding bells in the future."  It depends on the dialogue response but she can reply about "A husband and wife with a Malicar on the side"  It strikes me about the amount of times we have seen examples of love triangles and the use of mind control  throughout the story.   The  ratio of blight surviving female mages to male might be a factor Idk. I think when there a possibility of a mage having an influence of the reigning monarch, would it matter who had what bloodline was?

 

You have the possibilities of The Warden mage advising Anora who rules alone, or being Alistair's lover if he marries Anora.  Wynne advising the King Alistair, the Prince Consort still in a distant relationship with Morrigan.  The Guerrin bloodline can trace magic back generations, also there's always the ultimate lurker, Flemeth.   To say you are above petty politics surely would not mean you are against manipulating others to involve themselves in any political intrigue. 

[Anvos]

Personally I suspect that the series is heading towards either Fergus or Teagan becoming the next ruler of Ferlden regardless of your choice.

[BroBear Berbil]

The hero mysteriously vanishing to tend to some unknown has been Boware's MO for over a decade. It's not surprising.

The Warden and Hawke went off to the edge of the Fade to find The Maker.

 

When a Dragon Age MMO gets made the Warden will be back as a mid-level boss.

 

I am King.  Anora loves me and accepts.  I'm not sure why I would be challenging Anora for anything.

 

Lol @ those not charismatic enough to convince Anora to follow them.

 

 

A lot of effeminates here, with their effeminate standards of behavior.  And that is why you will never be King

 

Whatever you need to tell yourself. You married an upstart, barren, peasant and gave her all the power in the marriage and government. You might have political influence but it's pretty clear she keeps all the authority. She may let you wear your armor and command some soldiers but you're pretty much a trophy husband if you marry her.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

That was sarcasm right?

 

Sure, right up until the point it's used as an excuse by the devs.

 

Seriously though:

 

It's not rumour. Cassandra said that Hawke disappeared, and Leliana sais 'just like the Warden' or something similar. They're both gone.

 

Cassandra's relying on what Varric said, and if you think the lovely bard Leliana never spins a tale you're deluding yourself.

 

In other words, 'They're both gone' when we have more to work on than the word of two rogues and story writers who both love to feed us red herrings and straight out change stuff on the fly when it suits the purposes for the next chapter.

 

Recognise what characters have said; Be open-minded to the possibility of it not being the truth.

[The Elder King]

Leliana is currently working with the Divine. She has no reason to lie to Cassandra, since they're on the same side and they want to find them to resolve the war.
Regardless, in the case the Warden is on the throne, or Hawke was viscount, it'd be pretty clear if they left (and in Hawke's case it's pretty clear, since Cassandra was at Kirkwall).

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Leliana is currently working with the Divine. She has no reason to lie to Cassandra, 

 

That you know of.

 

 (and in Hawke's case it's pretty clear, since Cassandra was at Kirkwall).

 

Cassandra can see into every nook and cranny of an entire city now, eh?

[The Elder King]

That you know of.



Cassandra can see into every nook and cranny of an entire city now, eh?

Considering who the Divine is, yes. But no, it's more likely that she was lying about the Warden disappearing because of she doesn't want to bother the king/queen of Ferelden.
So you're assuming that the Viscount of Kirkwall was hiding, eh? I guess the of Akora and Alostair appeare and said their husband/wife disappeared you'll say that they're hiding him.
Is there anything that Bioware can do to convince you that they're disappeared?

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

it's more likely that she was lying about the Warden disappearing because of she doesn't want to bother the king/queen of Ferelden.

 

That's actually what I meant. But see? A possibility. And another with the Divine.

 

 

So you're assuming that the Viscount of Kirkwall was hiding, eh? 

Hm? Last I heard that was just an Achievement and didn't actually happen.

But no, I don't assume. I postulate. BSN does far too much assuming.

 

 

I guess the of Akora and Alostair appeare and said their husband/wife disappeared you'll say that they're hiding him.

 

No, I wouldn't say that. That would be assuming.
 

 

Is there anything that Bioware can do to convince you that they're disappeared?

 

Of course. I don't expect that to happen in the forum, however -- nor would I ask it to

[The Elder King]

Hawke did become Viscount in the templar ending.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Hawke did become Viscount in the templar ending.

 

'Become Viscount' was an achievement, and like I said, last I heard from the devs that was never intended to actually happen as part of the story proper.

[Senya]

I'd hope Anora gets pregnant with an heir, but I'm a little worried Bioware might have all possible monarchs childless to make things easier.

[Divine Justinia V]

It's not rumour. Cassandra said that Hawke disappeared, and Leliana sais 'just like the Warden' or something similar. They're both gone.

 

I wish they hadn't included this line because it gave me so much hope that Hawke and the Warden would be involved in DA:I