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Abomination can only end with the death of the mage! ...unless you're Connor Guerrin.[/quote]
Wynne notes there's other cases in which this was tried in banter with Shale. Those precedents are probably what inspires her to suggest such a thing in Connor's case. Though she also notes in that banter that it's almost never done.[/quote]
Zounds! Dialogue I haven't seen before! ...oh man, my loss. They're hysterical.
At least that tallies with what I think Marethari says in DA2. This one, I admit that I can kind of let slide. There are good in-world reasons for the Chantry to not let it be widely known that there is an expensive, dangerous, but possible cure for abominations.[/quote]
Yeah, I can see that. Though I hadn't thought that they might censor the knowledge: I just thought that nobody bothered to learn much about it.
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Abominations are all snarling monsters! ...unless you're Wynne or Anders[/quote]
Anders kind of is by the end.[/quote]
Yeah, but that's 7-8 years. I think it deserves a nod.[/quote]
Fair enough.
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The Anders thing isn't helped by the (intentional? unintentional?) inconsistency in the way he represents his relationship/existence with Justice/Vengeance. He tells you from the get-go that they are one and the same being, maybe with a sort of Bruce Banner vibe (you wouldn't like him when he's angry), but things like the Feynriel Fade sequence sort of undermine that. YMMV - I am far from an Anders expert.[/quote]
Also fair.
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Spirits cannot manifest in the mortal world without a host or vessel! ...unless you're the Baroness[/quote]
There's way too many Rage and Desire demons manifest in the Circle Tower for me to take that seriously anyway.
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You know, I always assumed they were some kind of abomination, too. I know the other abominations are all explicitly labeled as such, but I sort of figured that the abominations with "demonic" manifestations were... better at it? Since when Uldred goes abomination, it's the same toon as a 'raw' pride demon and such... But yeah, that's kind of a mess of game resources, game lore, and mechanics, there.
(FWIW, I recall the Warden being able to specifically lampshade the Baroness - you can ask Justice, "Hey, I thought spirits couldn't do that?" and he sort of shrugs and says something about the demon identifying with the mortal woman, IIRC.)[/quote]
The Codex notes that Shades do not need a host, and there's something written by a Templar stating that a demon can be drawn into the world by a blood mage either by forcing it to manifest in its true form, or by forcing it to possess a host. Though the Warden does seem to be able to question whether or not the Baroness would need a host.
Edit: Having just played through that bit for the first time, the Baroness states that she accomplished this using Blood Magic, which simultaneously explains why Justice would have no idea what happened and why a Blood Mage would be able to do exactly the same thing. Though it doesn't explain why Justice is forced into Kristoff while the Baroness wasn't.
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It doesn't help that all of the Cardinal Rules have been either bent or broken by this point.[/quote]
True that.
Funny thing - I mentioned this to my husband last week (I seriously have no idea why I was even grumping about it, but I am apparently that big of a nerd) and he said, "But the rules of magic aren't in the game."
And I said, "They're a codex!"
He seemed to be of the opinion that, because he'd never seen them in the game (so... they weren't core content?), they weren't really in the game.
I deployed The Look but left it at that.
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The rules aren't supposed to be hard and fast, if that's what you were grumping about. They're a description of what mainstream Thedas (or its intelligentsia, since Alarith thinks the Tevinters can teleport so trivially that they can't be bothered to physically cross the street) thinks is possible or impossible. Which makes them a pretty good case in your original point. Though I would have appreciated a Mage Warden being allowed to drop his jaw and go "What the #($*!" when he thinks the Hermit in the Brecilian Forest is teleporting, since the Mage Warden is supposed to have had it drilled into his head that what he just saw is literally impossible. (Which also might have been what you were grumping about.)
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