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[JohnnyC0820]

Ok, so I know this is a sticky topic at best, but being a big fan of the series I have been wondering what is the canonical basis for women in the series being able to fight on par with men? Before the flamers get warmed up--this isn't another rehash of the whole gender roles in Dragon age argument--I'm more curious from a physical standpoint. Isabella, for example, with her bikini-perfect body can't weight more than 120 lbs at best, yet you routinely see her tossing around fully-grown combat-hardened thugs like ragdolls. Same with Aveline, though with her build its slightly easier to swallow. Lelianna same deal.

So are the women in Thedas simply blessed with the same muscular disposition as men? Does their limbic system somehow produce levels of testosterone far above real life females? Magical reasons? Just wondering. Fire away.

[Ferretinabun]

I'm not sure there is a canonical reason. I think it's just a case of 'suspend your disbelief for the sake of a more egalitarian gaming experience'. Same with the 'playersexual' romances, really.

Although if you're asking for personal headcanon theories, I'm shying away from magic and going with pure genetics (except perhaps in the case of Aveline. She can stand her ground in the face of a friggin' dragon. No way that's natural. Merrill/Anders have got to be channeling magic 'roids her way!).

Modifié par Ferretinabun, 31 décembre 2013 - 01:13 .

[Secretlyapotato]

If you watched one of the DAI videos, Cassandra smashes down a wooden door super unrealistic for anyone really fast. o.O But then noncombative women are usually portrayed differently and Qunari don't believe women are as fit for combat as men. Sooo short answer is video game physics.

This thread also reminds me of Telltale's Walking Dead. Clementine seems to hit things pretty hard for a little girl. >.<

[Treacherous J Slither]

In DA and many other games that allow gender irrelevant combat, gender is irrelevant in combat.

It's not the real world. We're suspending our belief to enjoy ourselves. If a guy can kill a huge fire breathing dragon with dark age weapons then a woman can too because this is after all FANTASY.

[Pateu]

Same goes with Shepard headbutting a krogan, I guess.

Don't look too deep into it. They have to be politicall correct.

[naddaya]

To be fair, in Mass Effect all soldiers are regularly pumped up with steroids. Men, women, it doesn't make a difference.The issue is femshep's body, she doesn't looked trained, just skinny.

The problem is with the body mesh, not with the fact that they're women. I know tough women who are stronger than most men and kicked my ass in training.
Yes, we produce less testosterone. But I think people underestimate how strong a woman with good genetics who trains every day and eats a lot can get, even without steroids. I'm just 20, been doing strength training and MMA for 3 measly years. And here I am, 5'6 and 150lbs, bench pressing my body weight and carrying around on my back my 230lbs husband easily. Most women don't even try.

Men are naturally stronger, but I don't see female fighters as being that far-fetched. Isabela and Leliana are rogues. They're strong, but speed in that line of work is more valued than strength anyway. They don't need to be powerlifters. And Aveline is Aveline. Seriously, look at that chin. She has more testosterone than my father.

[CroGamer002]

Considering Dragon Age setting has a broad culture that allows women in fight in armies and are mostly equal in social communities, I think physical difference in strength is minor at best.

 

Reason why women are perceived weaker then men, is due to millennium of of women not being equal to men and not allowed to join and fight in armies. So evolution made men way more fit to fight.

 

However if they were treated equally for millenniums, physical differences in strength would be minor if not non-existent. Which happen in Dragon Age setting, unlike in real life history, so women shouldn't have any significant disadvantages to men just due to gender.

[Tigerman123]

It doesn't make any sense, but then neither does a waif like fenris being able to match muscular human males, or they in turn 7ft Qunari who must be going on 400lb, or the various monstrous creatures that inhabit thedas. Variations in intra species strength is more or less determined by the cross sectional area of the muscle involved in that activity, sure various anthropometrics, variations in fibre types and neural efficiency play a role, but in the end the rookies at the nfl combine who are repping out 20+ reps of 225 all have highly developed triceps deltoids pectoral muscles etc

[Rusty Sandusky]

To save time and money in developing combat animations and because of the outrage if they did.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Sigh. here we go again.

 

Women, from a gameplay perspective, play the same way as men. This is done to avoid a lawsuit/bad publicity from women who will most likely feel they are being discriminated against by their characters having a physical resistance, strength, dexterity, and stamina penalty right off the bat. If you are arguing about the game being more realistic by using the scientifically supported evidence that men and physically stronger then women from the muscle and bone structures shared, don't. Realism in dragon age has not been a thing nor will it ever be a thing, the whole dwarf thing makes no sense since there would have to be no midgets in human society for there to be no genetic relation between the two species, which there apparently isn't, as well as elves and humans being able to produce children at all, and those children only having human physical traits, and magic just throws any argument of realism out the window, unless it's political or philosophical realism.

 

Point is, women and men, from a gameplay perspective, are equal. Either accept it, or argue until you're blue in the face and someone decides you need to be banned for disagreeing with them.

[LostInReverie19]

Considering Dragon Age setting has a broad culture that allows women in fight in armies and are mostly equal in social communities, I think physical difference in strength is minor at best.

 

Reason why women are perceived weaker then men, is due to millennium of of women not being equal to men and not allowed to join and fight in armies. So evolution made men way more fit to fight.

 

However if they were treated equally for millenniums, physical differences in strength would be minor if not non-existent. Which happen in Dragon Age setting, unlike in real life history, so women shouldn't have any significant disadvantages to men just due to gender.

This is a really good answer. In Thedas, the differences in strength between men and women may be much more minimal than in our world. After all, we are talking about a world with elves and Qunari. It's already much different than our own world...

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Women can use 'them' as the element of distraction!

 

About their muscles and their height in Dragon Age. I guess they're unreal. I cannot find many girls in RL who have my height and are masculine.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Things like martial arts was build purely so a smaller, 'weaker' person can take on larger, 'stronger' opponents so no, I see nothing wrong with them being able to do what they do.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Things like martial arts was build purely so a smaller, 'weaker' person can take on larger, 'stronger' opponents so no, I see nothing wrong with them being able to do what they do.

 

No 5' girl expert in martial arts can bring down a 7' giant man expert in martial arts.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

No 5' girl expert in martial arts can bring down a 7' giant man expert in martial arts.

I also have yet to see a 5' girl take on a 7' giant with just their martial prowess, so can't complain on what didn't happen.

[LPPrince]

Simple- In Dragon Age, the sex/gender of a character is irrelevant in a combat scenario.

 

That doesn't need to change.

[General TSAR]

Considering Dragon Age setting has a broad culture that allows women in fight in armies and are mostly equal in social communities, I think physical difference in strength is minor at best.

 

Reason why women are perceived weaker then men, is due to millennium of of women not being equal to men and not allowed to join and fight in armies. So evolution made men way more fit to fight.

 

However if they were treated equally for millenniums, physical differences in strength would be minor if not non-existent. Which happen in Dragon Age setting, unlike in real life history, so women shouldn't have any significant disadvantages to men just due to gender.

So much fail. 

[Mes]

I think it's good there's no difference between the genders in this area in the game. I don't see a reason for it anyway. A lot of real-life gender inequalities are only perceived.

 

 

Reason why women are perceived weaker then men, is due to millennium of of women not being equal to men and not allowed to join and fight in armies. So evolution made men way more fit to fight.

 

However if they were treated equally for millenniums, physical differences in strength would be minor if not non-existent. Which happen in Dragon Age setting, unlike in real life history, so women shouldn't have any significant disadvantages to men just due to gender.

 

Social oppression has not had an influence on women's actual genetics. Training makes someone fit to fight, not evolution of an entire gender.

 

For anyone interested there's a youtube video of a really little woman lifting a larger man onto her shoulders with absolute ease. This was to demonstrate that if there was ever a situation where a female soldier had to carry a wounded male soldier to safety, she could do it. A lot of physical weaknesses in women are perceived, not reality.

 

In any case people love to talk as if men are all super strong. From what I've seen, the average man is soft with a nice little beer gut, so these fantasy notions of strong men and weak women are just that - fantasy.

[hobbit of the shire]

We have to accept this is a game.  As a female, I like to play more females rather than males and you bet if I am disadvantaged, you'll see me mod a game in an instant to have a fem appearance but the same stats as a guy.  Why?  Because DA is combat-focused.  Why should I earn less XP or have a tougher time fighting the mechanics of the game?  And, barring your own tactics, brawn/firepower = winner.  When gaming can get to the level where it can be based upon all human aspects to mimic an imaginary 100% egalitarian world, then I'd say, maybe yes.  Even mimicking the real world isn't ideal because of inequalities.  Sure, being able to use non-combat would be fabulous, but boy, it will be quite a challenge to make it authentic and acceptable.

 

My only beef is having so many female characters appearing like a twig.  If she is to fight with brawn or be able to withstand attacks, she ought to have a physique that would allow her to seem plausible to do it.  Mages can be less built, because their magic can shield them (btw, so men and women are equal in doling out magic?), but they still have to be able to withstand attacks/environmental factors.  I like Aveline and no, I'm not saying you have to look like Aveline to be physically strong.  Consider female Olympic athletes.  All physically strong in order to do what they do.  And no, not all are built, but I'm pretty sure given their training all could beat the crap out of me.  Even the tiniest figure skater.  Come to think of it, some of them do look like twigs, so maybe it's all in our head that bigger is better.  Are we going to have a muscle mass slider for the game?  You might be big but you're all blubber.  :-P  But yeah, for the most part, I'd certainly expect the warrior-type women to really not look like anorexic supermodels, keeping in mind this is a fantasy.

[Undead Han]

For anyone interested there's a youtube video of a really little woman lifting a larger man onto her shoulders with absolute ease. This was to demonstrate that if there was ever a situation where a female soldier had to carry a wounded male soldier to safety, she could do it. A lot of physical weaknesses in women are perceived, not reality.

 

 

Sorry to veer off-topic but that has little to do with actual strength. I'm assuming the video you saw was of the Fireman's carry. If so, it is quite easy for anyone carry someone even close to twice your body weight. (I've done it in the military) It has to do with the physics and the way the weight is distributed and balanced across your shoulders. That is true for both men and women.

 

In short the fireman's carry is mostly about technique, not brute strength. Anyone can do it.

[Loraella]

The DA women are not play or tournament fighting so they don't need to match the mens strength, they only need to chose the quickest and most efficient way to disable their opponent. As for the disbelief that a women could lay out a much larger man well obviously that can happen. There are tons of moves that use leverage to escape a hold or use momentum to increase force and there are vital points that if hit with very little force are debilitating. There is a difference in just having physical strength and knowing how to use your body in a way that maximizes it's force.

[CuriousArtemis]

My sister is 5'6 and 130lbs. I watched her go through ten kata then spar three people back to back for her blackbelt ceremony. You are very silly if you think female warriors cannot believably defeat male warriors.

[Ferretinabun]

Social oppression has not had an influence on women's actual genetics.

 

 

Well, that's sort of how evolution works: if women are prized for their ability in combat, then such women will breed at the expense of less desirable (ie, physically capable) women.

 

I know there are always complicating factors, but the logic holds - over a (very) long period of time, societies which actively encourage women to fight (as they do men) will produce women better able to do so.

[Fredward]

I imagine the reason is reeeeaaaallllyyyy simple. Do you expect them to make entirely different animations for the women? Are you high? Maybe the should only be allowed to be mages? But I think the OP is a troll anyway. Who makes this their very first post?