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[Rotward]

Quill74Pen wrote...

Anders dies in my playthroughs.

My characters are moderates who really don't like extremism in any form and prefer that change be primarily orderly in nature. Blowing up a chantry with Maker knows how many innocent people inside and near it is a form of chaotic change that is most unwelcome and, in Anders' case, soul-scarring.

To make up for his sins, I envision Anders being reborn into multiple lives, with each life being unjustly snuffed out because an extremist killed him (or her, depending on the body Anders' soul winds up in). Only through this does Anders' experience the results of extremist actions and, thus, grows to a point where his soul advances into a productive life that brings about change to a moribund society — without necessarily blowing up the entire system.

Rofl, not only is that completely off topic, but reincarnation has never been a part of the DA series. 

Modifié par Rotward, 01 janvier 2014 - 09:38 .

[Veruin]

Providing kindling for the homeless.

[schalafi]

I've read a lot of topics on Anders, and it seems the haters are the majority of players who seem to forget that Anders befriended Justice in Awakening, and according to the story, became his host so he wouldn't have to occupy a corpse. This was a kind thing to do, and Anders was not a bad person for doing it. Then along comes DA:2 which decides to demonize Anders, by letting Justice take over as "vengeance". I Think Anders got a raw deal in DA:2, and I feel sorry for his character. Anders unknowingly changed Justice by his anger for the Templars mistreating mages, but he had no idea that Justice could become Vengeance, and take over his body and mind. Justice/Vengeance, in control of Anders, was the one who blew up the Chantry.

[DPSSOC]

schalafi wrote...
I've read a lot of topics on Anders, and it seems the haters are the majority of players who seem to forget that Anders befriended Justice in Awakening, and according to the story, became his host so he wouldn't have to occupy a corpse. This was a kind thing to do, and Anders was not a bad person for doing it. Then along comes DA:2 which decides to demonize Anders, by letting Justice take over as "vengeance". I Think Anders got a raw deal in DA:2, and I feel sorry for his character. Anders unknowingly changed Justice by his anger for the Templars mistreating mages, but he had no idea that Justice could become Vengeance, and take over his body and mind.

 
That's what spirits do, they possess and usurp the minds and bodies of people.  Anders has 1, exactly one, instance he might be aware of where a spirit inhabits a host and doesn't take over (Wynne)

schalafi wrote...
Justice/Vengeance, in control of Anders, was the one who blew up the Chantry.

Funny Anders wasn't glowing when he asked me to help him gather ingredients, or sneak past the Grand Cleric, or even when he triggered the explosion.  Only if he's Rivalled does Anders claim Justice made him do it, and even then he still made the choice to do it.

On topic I agree with Sir JK, I'm pretty sure if Anders survived he's either wallowing in self-loathing over what he's done (if Rivalled) or launching a one man/abomination crusade against Templars.  I don't see Anders organizing a resistance because of Ella.  If anyone were to join up with Anders and ever waver, ever suggest they're going to far, Justice will kill them, nobody is going to stick around after that happens.

[Boycott Bioware]

Anders will wear a smiling mask, and call himself V for Vengeance

[Nefla]

A quick murderknife was far too merciful a death for him.

[Quill74Pen]

Rotward wrote...

Quill74Pen wrote...

Anders dies in my playthroughs.

My characters are moderates who really don't like extremism in any form and prefer that change be primarily orderly in nature. Blowing up a chantry with Maker knows how many innocent people inside and near it is a form of chaotic change that is most unwelcome and, in Anders' case, soul-scarring.

To make up for his sins, I envision Anders being reborn into multiple lives, with each life being unjustly snuffed out because an extremist killed him (or her, depending on the body Anders' soul winds up in). Only through this does Anders' experience the results of extremist actions and, thus, grows to a point where his soul advances into a productive life that brings about change to a moribund society — without necessarily blowing up the entire system.

Rofl, not only is that completely off topic, but reincarnation has never been a part of the DA series. 

Hmm. If you're going to be so "polite" as to point out the supposedly "off-topic" nature of my post, how about you do the same for other OT posts within this thread? Thank you, and good bye.

[Star fury]

Anders would keep ****ing about templars and whining about mage's plight. And occasionally committing terrorism acts.

[The Spirit of Dance]

We will find an underground chamber with a skeleton in it. There will be a note next to said skeleton that will be a diary of sorts detailing Anders' life between DA2 and DAI ending in him contemplating suicide.

[Lotion Soronarr]

schalafi wrote...

I've read a lot of topics on Anders, and it seems the haters are the majority of players who seem to forget that Anders befriended Justice in Awakening, and according to the story, became his host so he wouldn't have to occupy a corpse. This was a kind thing to do, and Anders was not a bad person for doing it. Then along comes DA:2 which decides to demonize Anders, by letting Justice take over as "vengeance". I Think Anders got a raw deal in DA:2, and I feel sorry for his character. Anders unknowingly changed Justice by his anger for the Templars mistreating mages, but he had no idea that Justice could become Vengeance, and take over his body and mind. Justice/Vengeance, in control of Anders, was the one who blew up the Chantry.

Bad? Not really.
Stupid? Very much so.

Merging with an entity from the Fade, whose very thought and being are incompatible wiht our world is a bad idea.
He had no idea? He should have.
It's a fade entity.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Sir JK wrote...

Maybe it's my melancholic side speaking, but I cannot imagine an Anders that lived happy.

Despite his confidence in his actions, Anders strikes me as absolutely loathing what he has become in Last Straw. Maybe a Hawke that sides with the mages and convinces him to help out could rouse him out of it. Maybe. I've never had a character that let him live so I don't know.

I'm inclined to think that Anders life only turns worse from that point. The Justice/Vengence side of himself will not let him rest or kill himself. The Anders' side shift back and forth between trying to escape or slumping into a deep depression. Increasingly losing self-restraint. Losing the ability to discern innocent from guilty or to hold back now for a smarter tactical move later. Becoming explosive or lethargic in his action with nothing inbetween.
Being unable to sleep because Justice/Vengence is restless, unable to appriciate food because Anders is depressed. Becoming increasingly self-destructive.

I see Ander's life after Kirkwall as one of utter misery... and one he can only end with his death at someone else's hands.

You.... may have just convinced me to let Anders live.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 02 janvier 2014 - 11:20 .

[Jaison1986]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Sir JK wrote...

Maybe it's my melancholic side speaking, but I cannot imagine an Anders that lived happy.

Despite his confidence in his actions, Anders strikes me as absolutely loathing what he has become in Last Straw. Maybe a Hawke that sides with the mages and convinces him to help out could rouse him out of it. Maybe. I've never had a character that let him live so I don't know.

I'm inclined to think that Anders life only turns worse from that point. The Justice/Vengence side of himself will not let him rest or kill himself. The Anders' side shift back and forth between trying to escape or slumping into a deep depression. Increasingly losing self-restraint. Losing the ability to discern innocent from guilty or to hold back now for a smarter tactical move later. Becoming explosive or lethargic in his action with nothing inbetween.
Being unable to sleep because Justice/Vengence is restless, unable to appriciate food because Anders is depressed. Becoming increasingly self-destructive.

I see Ander's life after Kirkwall as one of utter misery... and one he can only end with his death at someone else's hands.

You.... may have just convinced me to let Anders live.

What would you do if Inquisition he is actually helping people again like he did in the beginning of DA2? Would you actually kill him while he is helping mages flee from templars, or offering his healing services to the less fortunate?

[Magdalena11]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Sir JK wrote...

Maybe it's my melancholic side speaking, but I cannot imagine an Anders that lived happy.

Despite his confidence in his actions, Anders strikes me as absolutely loathing what he has become in Last Straw. Maybe a Hawke that sides with the mages and convinces him to help out could rouse him out of it. Maybe. I've never had a character that let him live so I don't know.

I'm inclined to think that Anders life only turns worse from that point. The Justice/Vengence side of himself will not let him rest or kill himself. The Anders' side shift back and forth between trying to escape or slumping into a deep depression. Increasingly losing self-restraint. Losing the ability to discern innocent from guilty or to hold back now for a smarter tactical move later. Becoming explosive or lethargic in his action with nothing inbetween.
Being unable to sleep because Justice/Vengence is restless, unable to appriciate food because Anders is depressed. Becoming increasingly self-destructive.

I see Ander's life after Kirkwall as one of utter misery... and one he can only end with his death at someone else's hands.

You.... may have just convinced me to let Anders live.

For crying out loud.  If you hate him and what he stands for, kill him.  If the only reason you're letting him live is so you can imagine him being miserable that's pretty sick.

[Lotion Soronarr]

JUSTICE!

[satunnainen]

Dodging the constant stream of attacks by chantry, templars, assassins hired by chantry and whatever Sebastian can throw at him. Unfortunately the templars are so busy trying to get Anders, they have neglected supervising other mages, and one of them tears the veil...

[AzukiJin]

Anders have collected a total of 8 Demons in his body and 1 spirit of a tranquil. Limbo Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Vegence(Justice), Treachery, Heresy and Fraud.

A few years after the end of Hawke's story, Anders was captured and immediettly made Tranquil, however thanks to Justice being by his side(By calling demons from the fade, 7 of the other 9 Circles of Hell(Magi). The last 2 are Vegence, the evil Justice and Anders who became Limbo. He has become mad due to the 8 demons within him and destroys mages, templars and demons alike.

[Lulupab]

I personally think Justice/Vengeance is not bad enough to be considered a demon but he is by no means benevolent either. He is just confused, there is only guilty or innocent in his eyes and nothing else and he considers Templars guilty and what they are doing to mages injustice. He doesn't think like people of Thedas.

More importantly Vengeance itself as an act is not a great sin like pride. Its a necessary yet cruel nature of all intellectual beings. Vengeance can be an act of simple revenge, or become a Vendetta. Or it can be Retribution a just and needed act of Vengeance which many consider Justice.

[Veruin]

Rassler wrote...
More importantly Vengeance itself as an act is not a great sin like pride. Its a necessary yet cruel nature of all intellectual beings. Vengeance can be an act of simple revenge, or become a Vendetta. Or it can be Retribution a just and needed act of Vengeance which many consider Justice.

So, Anders has become Dalish then?

[Lulupab]

AzukiJin wrote...

Anders have collected a total of 8 Demons in his body and 1 spirit of a tranquil. Limbo Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Vegence(Justice), Treachery, Heresy and Fraud.

A few years after the end of Hawke's story, Anders was captured and immediettly made Tranquil, however thanks to Justice being by his side(By calling demons from the fade, 7 of the other 9 Circles of Hell(Magi). The last 2 are Vegence, the evil Justice and Anders who became Limbo. He has become mad due to the 8 demons within him and destroys mages, templars and demons alike.

Anders and all possessed mages are immune to tranquility. Their connection to the fade and mana cannot be cut off when there is a piece of fade itself lives inside them. Anders case is much more especial because unlike abominations where the demon exists in the fade controlling the mage from there, Justice in his true form existed in Thedas thanks to queen of black marsh who bought him there. Therefore Justice did not posses Anders, they merged and became one.

Veruin wrote...
So, Anders has become Dalish then?

Not exactly but in a sense, yes.

Modifié par Rassler, 02 janvier 2014 - 03:20 .

[DRTJR]

Stuffed and Mounted in Starkhaven, Sebastian did say he would get that bastard.

[rasloveszev]

Magdalena11 wrote...

Anders' story is depressing, isn't it? I doubt he'l show up in DAI cuz of the flak about potential retconning and if he's dead in DA2. I'm glad. I'd like it if he was relegated to the headcanon realm. I really can't even see why, story wise, he would even appear in DAI. The veil tear is beyond his and Justice's scope combined (or why wouldn't Justice have gone back to the fade) and there are new characters to develop.

I would VERY VERY VERY disappointed in Bioware if he doesn't show up in Inquistion. In DA2, they placed in cameos of irrelevant plots and characters from DAO, but they can't put in a cameo of Anders? The person who started the Mage-Templar war?! WTF?!

[rasloveszev]

DRTJR wrote...

Stuffed and Mounted in Starkhaven, Sebastian did say he would get that bastard.

Him and what Army?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

rasloveszev wrote...

DRTJR wrote...

Stuffed and Mounted in Starkhaven, Sebastian did say he would get that bastard.

Him and what Army?

Whatever he can scrape together that's willing to chase an abomination. (Which is probably a smaller group than you'd think.)

[rasloveszev]

schalafi wrote...

I've read a lot of topics on Anders, and it seems the haters are the majority of players who seem to forget that Anders befriended Justice in Awakening, and according to the story, became his host so he wouldn't have to occupy a corpse. This was a kind thing to do, and Anders was not a bad person for doing it. Then along comes DA:2 which decides to demonize Anders, by letting Justice take over as "vengeance". I Think Anders got a raw deal in DA:2, and I feel sorry for his character. Anders unknowingly changed Justice by his anger for the Templars mistreating mages, but he had no idea that Justice could become Vengeance, and take over his body and mind. Justice/Vengeance, in control of Anders, was the one who blew up the Chantry.

Depends on your relationship with Anders. I had a romantic friendship with him, he took responsibility for manipulating me and choosing to blow up the Chantry. 

[rasloveszev]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

rasloveszev wrote...

DRTJR wrote...

Stuffed and Mounted in Starkhaven, Sebastian did say he would get that bastard.

Him and what Army?

Whatever he can scrape together that's willing to chase an abomination. (Which is probably a smaller group than you'd think.)

HA! He won't survive! Especially with Hawke protecting Anders.