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[lil yonce]

eluvianix wrote...

C'mere Youth.

[AutumnWitch]

I always play as a mage and I do not ever choose blood magic spells and have a low opinion of blood mages in general and will happily "put them down" if they have gone too far.

That being said, Merrill is my fav character but due to my Hawke's influence she always "behaves" and she helps Hawke keep on the path of goodness. It takes a village....

[Hellion Rex]

Youth4Ever wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

C'mere Youth.

*snip*

I hate him...nonetheless, I still don't think we are getting a rebellion, at least in this game. We have bigger fish to fry, what with a giant-as* Veil tear stretching across the sky.

[SgtSteel91]

AutumnWitch wrote...

I always play as a mage and I do not ever choose blood magic spells and have a low opinion of blood mages in general and will happily "put them down" if they have gone too far.

That being said, Merrill is my fav character but due to my Hawke's influence she always "behaves" and she helps Hawke keep on the path of goodness. It takes a village....

So you rival her? Or are you friends but disaprove of her using Blood Magic?

[lil yonce]

eluvianix wrote...
I hate him...nonetheless, I still don't think we are getting a rebellion, at least in this game. We have bigger fish to fry, what with a giant-as* Veil tear stretching across the sky.

I just want to hear about one in Tevinter.

[Hellion Rex]

Youth4Ever wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
I hate him...nonetheless, I still don't think we are getting a rebellion, at least in this game. We have bigger fish to fry, what with a giant-as* Veil tear stretching across the sky.

I just want to hear about one in Tevinter.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they couldn't manage to close it on their own. It would require a LOT of Blood magic, but I wouldn't be surprised if they know how to close tears.

[lil yonce]

eluvianix wrote...
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they couldn't manage to close it on their own. It would require a LOT of Blood magic, but I wouldn't be surprised if they know how to close tears.

I mean, I want to hear about a rebellion in Tevinter, but yeah, maybe they have the knowledge to fix veil anomalies on their own. I think Tevinters created the portal in the first place, just a feeling.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 18 janvier 2014 - 04:22 .

[AutumnWitch]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...

I always play as a mage and I do not ever choose blood magic spells and have a low opinion of blood mages in general and will happily "put them down" if they have gone too far.

That being said, Merrill is my fav character but due to my Hawke's influence she always "behaves" and she helps Hawke keep on the path of goodness. It takes a village....

So you rival her? Or are you friends but disaprove of her using Blood Magic?

She is always my LI and 100% friendship. I help her do all her quests to protect her and make sure she doesn't get hurt but let her be her own person. My Hawke personally disapproves of her blood magic but understands that she is a good person who uses very dangerous means as a tool of her trade.

I personally disaprove of blood magic but understand it has its uses if intelligently managed.

[Hellion Rex]

Youth4Ever wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they couldn't manage to close it on their own. It would require a LOT of Blood magic, but I wouldn't be surprised if they know how to close tears.

I mean, I want to hear about a rebellion in Tevinter, but yeah, maybe they have the knowledge to fix veil anomalies on their own. I think Tevinters created the portal in the first place anyway, just a feeling.

I pray it's not just another story about magic f*cks everything up. I'd just like it to be a non mage antagonist using an artifact or something to cut holes in the Veil, kinda like how the Mask of Fen'Harel could do the same.

[lil yonce]

eluvianix wrote...
I pray it's not just another story about magic f*cks everything up. I'd just like it to be a non mage antagonist using an artifact or something to cut holes in the Veil, kinda like how the Mask of Fen'Harel could do the same.

After reading the comics, I think its a Tevinter dragon cult like Aurelian Titus', which could include non-mages too, and as long as they show that magic can be used for good, and that there are good mages, I don't have a problem with a mage antagonist.

Unrelated: I want to do blood magic with dragon blood. That would be some powerful stuff.

[Hellion Rex]

Youth4Ever wrote...

Unrelated: I want to do blood magic with dragon blood. That would be some powerful stuff.

Probably would be very strong. That sounds like something that could cause an enormous Veil rip. Perhaps blood magic was powered by high dragons to cut the Veil. I bet that would mitigate the need for the slaves and the lyrium that the original magisters required.

[SgtSteel91]

Youth4Ever wrote...

Unrelated: I want to do blood magic with dragon blood. That would be some powerful stuff.

It's called being a Reaver.

You should try it, it's awesome 

[Nightdragon8]

as for "pro-mage" not so much they don't need to be a mage to kill people so its all up to the user. the same for any toold really including blood magic. Axes and picks can be used for war and yet are deemed "evil" so why should any form of magic. It is only demed evil when you proposfully cause suffering to people around you with it.

[Hellion Rex]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...

Unrelated: I want to do blood magic with dragon blood. That would be some powerful stuff.

It's called being a Reaver.

You should try it, it's awesome 

She meant mages using dragon blood. Reavers aren't mages.

Modifié par eluvianix, 18 janvier 2014 - 04:36 .

[Aetika]

I never thought blood magic is inherently wrong. Rather that it depends on those who use it. But to be honest, I never played blood mage. All the spells in blood magic tree looked so brutal, I didn´t have the heart to walk around and suck life out of everyone, lol.

[Medhia Nox]

For blood magic to be "inherently wrong" the "thing" that is the reason for blood magic's existence would have to declare it as such.

People can blather on all they want that magic is a tool on Thedas, and it might very well be true, but it is no more true to state that than it is to say it is inherently wrong. We simply do not know because we did not design the game.

No answer in the game universe - does not make it "whatever I choose".

If blood mage supporters were fine having a loved one used for blood magic - that is, they are cut and healed regularly to power someone's spells - then I suppose it's fine. I would honestly find that kind of person mentally dangerous and consider locking them up for their derangement.

I would never be okay with a blood magic using me, or a loved one, for the purposes of blood magic... and therefore it is not okay for me to use others for the purposes of blood magic.

As for using myself - I think self-mutilation is disgusting and anyone who does so has a mental affliction that should be helped, not excused away.

[cjones91]

Medhia Nox wrote...

For blood magic to be "inherently wrong" the "thing" that is the reason for blood magic's existence would have to declare it as such.

People can blather on all they want that magic is a tool on Thedas, and it might very well be true, but it is no more true to state that than it is to say it is inherently wrong. We simply do not know because we did not design the game.

No answer in the game universe - does not make it "whatever I choose".

If blood mage supporters were fine having a loved one used for blood magic - that is, they are cut and healed regularly to power someone's spells - then I suppose it's fine. I would honestly find that kind of person mentally dangerous and consider locking them up for their derangement.

I would never be okay with a blood magic using me, or a loved one, for the purposes of blood magic... and therefore it is not okay for me to use others for the purposes of blood magic.

As for using myself - I think self-mutilation is disgusting and anyone who does so has a mental affliction that should be helped, not excused away.

So anyone who cuts themselves to use blood powered attacks has a mental affliction?You would hate Deadman Wonderland then since all of the characters can use their own blood as weapons and most are reasonably sane.

[Veruin]

cjones91 wrote...
So anyone who cuts themselves to use blood powered attacks has a mental affliction?You would hate Deadman Wonderland then since all of the characters can use their own blood as weapons and most are reasonably sane.

He has a point.  That's what most of the "good" blood mages do and that certainly can't be healthy in the long term.  Physically and mentally.  

[cjones91]

Veruin wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
So anyone who cuts themselves to use blood powered attacks has a mental affliction?You would hate Deadman Wonderland then since all of the characters can use their own blood as weapons and most are reasonably sane.

He has a point.  That's what most of the "good" blood mages do and that certainly can't be healthy in the long term.  Physically and mentally.  

I just don't see how nicking a finger to slightly boost your spell equates to mental illness.A person who only uses blood magic when he/she is out of mana will not go insane because of it.

[esper]

Medhia Nox wrote...

For blood magic to be "inherently wrong" the "thing" that is the reason for blood magic's existence would have to declare it as such.

People can blather on all they want that magic is a tool on Thedas, and it might very well be true, but it is no more true to state that than it is to say it is inherently wrong. We simply do not know because we did not design the game.

No answer in the game universe - does not make it "whatever I choose".

If blood mage supporters were fine having a loved one used for blood magic - that is, they are cut and healed regularly to power someone's spells - then I suppose it's fine. I would honestly find that kind of person mentally dangerous and consider locking them up for their derangement.

I would never be okay with a blood magic using me, or a loved one, for the purposes of blood magic... and therefore it is not okay for me to use others for the purposes of blood magic.

As for using myself - I think self-mutilation is disgusting and anyone who does so has a mental affliction that should be helped, not excused away.

My Hawke never used blood sacrifice. She did use grave robber, but honestly I don't see the difference between draining you enemies of life and burning them to death.

This is not self-mutilation for the sake of self-mutilation. This is using what you quite litteray have at hand. My Hawke did it because she did not want to become addicted to lyrium (which meant either be dependant on the chantry or smugglers).

It is also thus far the magic school that can bind/control demons. So if my Inqustior picks up blood magic (i don't know if she will yet), then that will properly be her reason.

[KainD]

Medhia Nox wrote...

I think self-mutilation is disgusting and anyone who does so has a mental affliction that should be helped, not excused away.

Vaccination, blood donating, sport massage, surgery, smoking, drinking alchohol, eating unhealthy food, over the top physical exertion, fightning/stunt sports etc. are all forms of self mutilation. We live in a ''mental'' world. 

[Medhia Nox]

@KainD: smoking, drinking alcohol and eating unhealthy food are all poor self-destructive habits I don't promote either (I do eat unhealthy, but I do not drink or smoke).  The difference?  I do not try to excuse my poor eating habits to make myself feel justified.

As for the other things you mentioned - if you cannot see the difference, I've got no time to bother with you. I'm simply saying my opinion on blood magic/mages.

@cjones91: Yes, I do actually. I do not believe that cutting ones self for power is at all mentally stable - you are free to disagree,.

Also - when have we EVER seen a blood mage "knick themselves" - lying to ones self to promote an act isn't healthy either.

@esper:  People who cut themselves actually have a reason for doing so.  It is not simply "to cut". 

Also - Avernus disagrees with your "bind/control" demons theory.   So does the Shade that mocks him for using blood magic before he destroys the stronghold.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 18 janvier 2014 - 04:26 .

[KainD]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@KainD: smoking, drinking alcohol and eating unhealthy food are all poor self-destructive habits I don't promote either (I do eat unhealthy, but I do not drink or smoke).  The difference?  I do not try to excuse my poor eating habits to make myself feel justified.

As for the other things you mentioned - if you cannot see the difference, I've got no time to bother with you. I'm simply saying my opinion on blood magic/mages.

And where are you unjustified? There really is no difference, the concept is - hurting yourself, to gain something. It's not just hurting for the sake of hurting. People eat unhealthy for example, because it makes them feel good in the moment, the food tastes good. 

Blood magic also is about hurting yourself to gain something that you would consider more attractive and the benefits of which utweights the pain that you cause yourself. 

[Medhia Nox]

@KainD: Momentary good is short sighted and ignorant. Those same people cry about getting diabetes years later. "Oh, why me?" Why you? Because you couldn't control yourself in all those "moments".

And no, don't derail the conversation into something I'm saying about people who have diabetes... not ALL people get diabetes from eating unhealthy. I'm talking about a specific group.

I honestly don't care if you want to use blood magic - I'm just saying that in a fantasy context, at the very BEST, I would keep any blood mage at arms length - not allow them to use spells - and subdue/imprison them if I saw them do anything but commit to their own little selfmutilating binge.

That being said - "I" would not be running around Thedas fireballing everything either. While I am not against fighting - these games have a "Slaughter Morality" where there is only one type of conflict resolution - violence. Most people prefer this - who am I to argue.

However - I do not kill companions I don't like, or murder knife people on a whim, or any of the story opportunities to kill people (which I consider outside of the slaughter morality of the "game" part).

[Bad King]

Medhia Nox wrote...

As for using myself - I think self-mutilation is disgusting and anyone who does so has a mental affliction that should be helped, not excused away.

When you're playing a character in a game who is constantly slaying people without batting an eyelid, how is the occasional self harm solely for the purpose of powering one's magic particularly deranged or pathological? You said above that you are not against fighting (and thus mutilating others for the purpose of achieving a goal), and yet you are against a lesser amount of self-mutilation for the purpose of achieving a goal. Why?

Modifié par Bad King, 18 janvier 2014 - 05:07 .