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Pro-mages players and Blood Magic
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rasloveszev
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#277
Posté 18 janvier 2014 - 05:22
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I really don't know about blood magic. As the games portrayed it so far; there's always a demon connected to the user whom uses it. So, I think I have a bit of a negative view surrounding it. Until a user can actively use blood magic for good, and without the presence of some sort of demon. My view is as follows: Blood magic = Bad.
#278
Posté 18 janvier 2014 - 05:57
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That's inaccurate. Jowan learned blood magic without a demon. It's only because blood magic is forbidden, and thus teachers/books on the subject are scarce, that blood magic is so strongly associated with posession and demons.mosesarose wrote...
I really don't know about blood magic. As the games portrayed it so far; there's always a demon connected to the user whom uses it. So, I think I have a bit of a negative view surrounding it. Until a user can actively use blood magic for good, and without the presence of some sort of demon. My view is as follows: Blood magic = Bad.
#279
Posté 19 janvier 2014 - 03:03
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Depends what you mean by "Side with the mages"...And depends what they mean by "Freedom" if by freedom they mean no more Templar / chantry oversight then yes I will side with them.. If they mean they want to live with everyone else in society and be normal citizens then no...I would sooner kill them all.
Anyway I think it should be outlawed to the majority of them but certain allowances be made for Grey Wardens and Magical Researchers.
Anyway I think it should be outlawed to the majority of them but certain allowances be made for Grey Wardens and Magical Researchers.
#280
Posté 19 janvier 2014 - 06:51
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Blood magic is no big deal.
1. Leave the demons alone. Unless it's a desire demon. I hear they're great in the sack. I mean, how can they not be? That's their whole thing. Am I right? j/k Demons are bad. Even the smoking hot ones.
2. Only take blood from yourself, willing others, and of course your enemies. Why shed your own blood if you can shed theirs instead?
3. Only mind control your enemies.
4. Don't do it in public unless you really have to.
5. Always wear black. Hides the blood stains.
6. Bask in the cool maleficar image you've created for yourself.
7. ???
8. Profit.
Easy peesy.
1. Leave the demons alone. Unless it's a desire demon. I hear they're great in the sack. I mean, how can they not be? That's their whole thing. Am I right? j/k Demons are bad. Even the smoking hot ones.
2. Only take blood from yourself, willing others, and of course your enemies. Why shed your own blood if you can shed theirs instead?
3. Only mind control your enemies.
4. Don't do it in public unless you really have to.
5. Always wear black. Hides the blood stains.
6. Bask in the cool maleficar image you've created for yourself.
7. ???
8. Profit.
Easy peesy.
#281
Posté 19 janvier 2014 - 07:04
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Blood magic is tool, a means to an end. It is another school of magic, no different than another type of bow or sword or combat style. That is my viewpoint of it.
Both my Warden and Hawke (my canon ones are mages) learned them eventually and used them only when they needed to (low / no mana left and there were enemies to fight). They learned them not for the pursuit of power but because they wanted to learn it because it was a school of magic.
As for its bad reputation, it is because people in general do not like it when they can be mind controlled. & also blood is viewed as something precious since it is the life force of most living things in Thedas. Using it as a source of power is then viewed as abhorrent. Also, blood magic is immune from Templar attacks which gives non mages even more reason to fear that particular school of magic.
At the end of the day, my view on blood magic is somewhat similar to how Charles Xavier viewed Havok/Alex Summers' powers :- You do not control it, it controls you. So you have to train.
Someone who is sufficiently trained in magical arts can use blood magic ethically. In the same way someone sufficiently trained in the art of assasinating with a dagger can use it ethically.
Both my Warden and Hawke (my canon ones are mages) learned them eventually and used them only when they needed to (low / no mana left and there were enemies to fight). They learned them not for the pursuit of power but because they wanted to learn it because it was a school of magic.
As for its bad reputation, it is because people in general do not like it when they can be mind controlled. & also blood is viewed as something precious since it is the life force of most living things in Thedas. Using it as a source of power is then viewed as abhorrent. Also, blood magic is immune from Templar attacks which gives non mages even more reason to fear that particular school of magic.
At the end of the day, my view on blood magic is somewhat similar to how Charles Xavier viewed Havok/Alex Summers' powers :- You do not control it, it controls you. So you have to train.
Someone who is sufficiently trained in magical arts can use blood magic ethically. In the same way someone sufficiently trained in the art of assasinating with a dagger can use it ethically.
#282
Posté 21 janvier 2014 - 04:31
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rasloveszev wrote...
For those who have decided to side with the Mages, what are your views on Blood Magic?
I'm curious to know how divded y'all are on the subject of Blood Mages.
My Warden and Hawke were the same perosn (or at least I designed them to be identical in appearance, class, and stats as best I could) and were both Paragon/Lawful Good Blood Mages. They considered it a science like Merill and one worth studying--also a tool for liberating mages.
#283
Posté 21 janvier 2014 - 05:08
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I'm not sure your companions particularly enjoy Blood Sacrifice being cast on them, because essentially you are draining their health/lifeforce to heal yourself. It's basically vampirism, which might be tolerable against your enemies, but not appreciated when used on your allies.
Grim Sacrifice ... even "better" ... if you drain them till they fall unconscious/near-death, your own health gets a giant bonus.
"Some might call this evil" ... and BTW I'm really surprised that a companion you cast Grim Sacrifice on doesn't leave the party. Speaking of non-reactions to blood magic.
Grim Sacrifice ... even "better" ... if you drain them till they fall unconscious/near-death, your own health gets a giant bonus.
"Some might call this evil" ... and BTW I'm really surprised that a companion you cast Grim Sacrifice on doesn't leave the party. Speaking of non-reactions to blood magic.
#284
Posté 21 janvier 2014 - 05:16
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CybAnt1 wrote...
I'm not sure your companions particularly enjoy Blood Sacrifice being cast on them, because essentially you are draining their health/lifeforce to heal yourself. It's basically vampirism, which might be tolerable against your enemies, but not appreciated when used on your allies.
Grim Sacrifice ... even "better" ... if you drain them till they fall unconscious/near-death, your own health gets a giant bonus.
"Some might call this evil" ... and BTW I'm really surprised that a companion you cast Grim Sacrifice on doesn't leave the party. Speaking of non-reactions to blood magic.
Despite playing blood mage numerous times over (just a tool, the argument's been made), I have never used Blood Sacrifice. Grave Robber, sure, but never blood sacrifice. I always considered it my character deciding that blood magic was acceptable so long as he was the one making the sacrifice.
#285
Posté 21 janvier 2014 - 05:35
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The existence of magic and blood magic puts you in a nuclear cold war sort of situation. You can't just allow that power to go undeveloped, because when you have no defense against someone who has developed the talent you are totally at their mercy. Also, a blood mage arcane warrior is pure domination in combat. The sheer intoxicating power of it becomes irresistible. Really, as I imagined my character, I'd be a worse fiend than the Archdemon or any demon of the fade. Most of what I did was for personal power. I constantly used blood sacrifice on summoned animals, and allies if necessary. If my allies died, I just left them dead and fought alone. If extinguishing the human, dwarven, or dalish races was as empowering as fighting darkspawn, abominations or demons, I probably would have opted for that instead. It was actually quite hilarious to me in the cinematic dialog, when npcs would talk about my character as if I was just a normal human being, but I looked like a burning bloody comet with a sparkling ethereal eyelid-less and lip-less bald ghoul in the center. That any normal person had the gall to make any insulting quips about me was amusing. My personal vision of my characters ending future was to fully journey into the fade and experiment with greater magic on unwary mages and demons.
