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[Jaronking]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Jaronking wrote...

Sorry massed up the quote

Alright, you can want that route. I was trying to avoid murdering an innocent person, especially considering Eamon and Marik didn't seem the sort to do so to me, but hey to each their own.

Really u have to agree it was a little funny but they both killed a lot of innocent people doing the war  not everyone there wanted to join but died all the same but lets get back on topic before the thead is closed

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Jaronking wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Jaronking wrote...

Sorry massed up the quote

Alright, you can want that route. I was trying to avoid murdering an innocent person, especially considering Eamon and Marik didn't seem the sort to do so to me, but hey to each their own.

Really u have to agree it was a little funny but they both killed a lot of innocent people doing the war  not everyone there wanted to join but died all the same but lets get back on topic before the thead is closed

A fight for independence is a lot different than a murder for a backstory. And yes, I'll admit you sitcomming the first part was humorous.

As for the topic, as I said before it is just magic like any other. It can be abused yes, but the same goes for any tool.

[andy6915]

Veruin wrote...
Super snowflake PC powers...ACTIVATE.

Nope. Merrill also proves it can be used ethically. She used blood magic for 10 years with no problem and without hurting anyone that wasn't already attacking her. The only reason she encountered demons was that damn mirror. Take the mirror out of it and just leave the blood magic, and she uses blood magic for a decade without losing herself or sacrificing anyone or using anyone else's blood or causing pain and suffering. So it isn't just our character being a snowflake, there are other characters that also prove it.

The Baconer wrote...
Ending battle for The Last Request.

That blood mage? Funny... I just finished Origins 2 days ago and remember that quest and that boss. I hit him with a mana clash and took tons of health off successfully and then a warrior quickly finished him in melee, not one party member went down. This was on nightmare difficulty by the way. What happened to mana clash being a bad idea against him?

Modifié par andy69156915, 02 janvier 2014 - 03:05 .

[Star fury]

Veruin wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

You don't need Lyrium to develop Templar abilities.

Lyrium just makes the abilities stronger and keeps the Templars on the Chantry's leash.

They changed it so lyrium IS required.

Link?

[HiroVoid]

Star fury wrote...

Veruin wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

You don't need Lyrium to develop Templar abilities.

Lyrium just makes the abilities stronger and keeps the Templars on the Chantry's leash.

They changed it so lyrium IS required.

Link?

I've heard Alistair say he had to start re-taking lyrium in the comics.  I don't have the comics myself, but I'm sure more than a few here do who could confirm that.

[nightscrawl]

I sometimes will have my Hawke go to Gaspard and have him use the blood magic to track Leandra, but it depends on the mood I'm in, how I've developed the personality of Hawke for that play, and whether or not that Hawke is a mage.

For my Warden mage, with many things I tend to feel that she would have the Circle mind set, and that includes blood magic. On the other hand, she has really grown accustomed to the Warden philosophy of "whatever it takes," and might allow the use of blood magic depending on the circumstances. Personally though, blood magic isn't something she is interested in doing.

In short, I'm not going to be hypocritical and say that blood magic is a no-go under any circumstances when my own plays and character history have said otherwise. However, it's not something that I'm fond of -- I never spec into it -- and I would prefer to avoid its use.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 02 janvier 2014 - 09:00 .

[Bleachrude]

Moghedia wrote...

Blood magic is a tool nothing more, any tool has the potential to be abused. Its the intent of the Mage that matters.

I don't think that's true though...

What you're assuming is that blood magic in of itself is a value neutral object but as per World of Thedas it isn't. Blood magic _IS_ more efective with pain/terror (aka the bad stuff) AND does have a more noticeable effect on the veil. 

Casting Blood Wound on a target versus Fireball will result in the same number of dead individuals but the former apparently weakens the veil whereas fireball doesn't.

[whogotsalami]

Bah, it's just like another form of Necromancy a'la D&D. I treat it like a game mechanic if players want to create more malevolent (LE,NE,CE, CN) characters I'd say let them use it.

[Karach_Blade]

It seems to me like a lot of the lore concerning non-demonic acquirement of the blood magic specialization was tossed out the window, though I might be mistaken. In any case, my elven bloodmage is the sort who would rather throw himself into a bonfire or be eaten in the Deep Roads than accept a demon's offer. My few bloodmage Hawkes despised Merril's idiocy in accepting aid from demons so I'm certain it will be possible to play good, pragmatic characters who use bloodmagic as a tool to achieve an end.

[Lady Niltiak]

In origins it is impossible to obtain the specialization without making a deal with a demon for a child's soul. Merrill admits to making a deal with a demon to use blood magic, and that demon was going to possess her had Merethari not intervened. Jowan never states where he learned blood magic, but he is terribly jealous of a mage warden, so he might have made a deal as well. Hawke doesn't need to make a deal to obtain blood magic, but that's an exception not a rule.

To me, blood magic is simply not worth it gameplay wise, and evil roleplay wise. My mage warden feels sorry Jowan, but hates blood magic. My mage Hawke loathes all forms of blood magic, thinks Merrill is stupid, and isn't fond of Anders.

[Hellion Rex]

Lady Niltiak wrote...

In origins it is impossible to obtain the specialization without making a deal with a demon for a child's soul. Merrill admits to making a deal with a demon to use blood magic, and that demon was going to possess her had Merethari not intervened. Jowan never states where he learned blood magic, but he is terribly jealous of a mage warden, so he might have made a deal as well. Hawke doesn't need to make a deal to obtain blood magic, but that's an exception not a rule.

To me, blood magic is simply not worth it gameplay wise, and evil roleplay wise. My mage warden feels sorry Jowan, but hates blood magic. My mage Hawke loathes all forms of blood magic, thinks Merrill is stupid, and isn't fond of Anders.

Actually, Merrill never made any deals. She asked the demon for help, and that led her to use blood magic, because she lacked the lyrium to otherwise purify the tainted mirror. Jowan learned his magic from a book.

[In Exile]

Lady Niltiak wrote...

In origins it is impossible to obtain the specialization without making a deal with a demon for a child's soul.

You can offer the demon the opportunity not be brutally killed by you in return for the BM via a persuade (technically, intimidate) option.

[HurricaneGinger]

I see Blood Magic as a tool, but a dangerous one because a mage is more susceptible to demons. But so is a Spirit Healer, because they have to be connected to the Fade as well as a spirit to heal anyone. It all depends on how the magic is used, but magic is a tool in the end like any sword - you just can't put it down at any point. It's stitched to your being for the rest of your life.

[General TSAR]

eluvianix wrote...
Actually, Merrill never made any deals. She asked the demon for help,

That's even worse.

[Hellion Rex]

General TSAR wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Actually, Merrill never made any deals. She asked the demon for help,

That's even worse.

I don't know why it would be. It gave her what she needed, and she never tried to release it either.

[Lady Niltiak]

eluvianix wrote...


Actually, Merrill never made any deals. She asked the demon for help, and that led her to use blood magic, because she lacked the lyrium to otherwise purify the tainted mirror. Jowan learned his magic from a book.

Jowan is kind of a weak blood mage anyway, although killing Isolde might not be considered a bad thing. Merrill may have thought she was asking the demon for help, but there is always a price. Merrill knew there was going to be a price for her blood magic. Merrill was just lucky it wasn't her.  

[Lady Niltiak]

In Exile wrote...

Lady Niltiak wrote...

In origins it is impossible to obtain the specialization without making a deal with a demon for a child's soul.

You can offer the demon the opportunity not be brutally killed by you in return for the BM via a persuade (technically, intimidate) option.

Years later and I'm still learning things about Origins. Even still, I see most of blood magic as evil. Not all of it, (phylacteries, the joining,things like that) but if you want a more potent spell via blood magic, you have to cause more violent pain and death. It is also seductive, kinda like a gateway drug, leading down a slippery slope. Start by using your own blood, then move on to your enemies, then allies. 

[rasloveszev]

Lady Niltiak wrote...

eluvianix wrote...


Actually, Merrill never made any deals. She asked the demon for help, and that led her to use blood magic, because she lacked the lyrium to otherwise purify the tainted mirror. Jowan learned his magic from a book.

Jowan is kind of a weak blood mage anyway, although killing Isolde might not be considered a bad thing. Merrill may have thought she was asking the demon for help, but there is always a price. Merrill knew there was going to be a price for her blood magic. Merrill was just lucky it wasn't her.  

To be honest, I'm utterly shocked how many people are okay with Blood Magic. I used to be Ok with it too until I played through DA2. I see no personal gain for anyone, in the end someone will lose. Seeing how people either become abominations or use blood magic for nefarious plots (killing the Grand Cleric, serial killing, sacrificing slaves to become stronger), I have to agree with the Chantry's views on it. 

[Hellion Rex]

rasloveszev wrote...
To be honest, I'm utterly shocked how many people are okay with Blood Magic. I used to be Ok with it too until I played through DA2. I see no personal gain for anyone, in the end someone will lose. Seeing how people either become abominations or use blood magic for nefarious plots (killing the Grand Cleric, serial killing, sacrificing slaves to become stronger), I have to agree with the Chantry's views on it. 

Hold on, back up for a sec. Who used blood magic to try and kill Elthina?

[BlueMagitek]

In Exile wrote...

Lady Niltiak wrote...

In origins it is impossible to obtain the specialization without making a deal with a demon for a child's soul.

You can offer the demon the opportunity not be brutally killed by you in return for the BM via a persuade (technically, intimidate) option.

Yes, but that's part high Cunning (or that Cunning boosting skill), part being in the Fade where you can actually reduce the demon to a wisp.  It isn't an everyday thing.

But you can be taught it from another blood mage (Baroness) and you can learn it from books (Jowan), supposedly.

[rasloveszev]

eluvianix wrote...

rasloveszev wrote...
To be honest, I'm utterly shocked how many people are okay with Blood Magic. I used to be Ok with it too until I played through DA2. I see no personal gain for anyone, in the end someone will lose. Seeing how people either become abominations or use blood magic for nefarious plots (killing the Grand Cleric, serial killing, sacrificing slaves to become stronger), I have to agree with the Chantry's views on it. 

Hold on, back up for a sec. Who used blood magic to try and kill Elthina?

Oh sorry, not the Grand Cleric! I was refering to the 10 year gathering in Dawn Of The Seeker.

[Medhia Nox]

"Good" blood magic is headcanon made up by a bunch of forumites that didn't have anything to do with designing magic on Thedas.

Bioware is very clear on what kind of mage uses it. The weak and the cruel.

[Warden661]

eluvianix wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Actually, Merrill never made any deals. She asked the demon for help,

That's even worse.

I don't know why it would be. It gave her what she needed, and she never tried to release it either.

Yes, she got exactly what she needed. So much so that she decided to go back to the demon for more "help." If it wasn't for Marethari executing one of the most idiotic acts of the game, who knows what Merrill would have done. Just because she didn't make a deal per say doesn't mean what she did wasn't dangerous. Using blood magic is never not dangerous.

[Hellion Rex]

Medhia Nox wrote...

"Good" blood magic is headcanon made up by a bunch of forumites that didn't have anything to do with designing magic on Thedas.

Bioware is very clear on what kind of mage uses it. The weak and the cruel.

The story of Crescens and Seraphinian seems to be an argument that works for what you dub "good" blood magic.
And Bioware has never said that only "weak and cruel" mages use blood magic, ever.

[Hellion Rex]

BoBear wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Actually, Merrill never made any deals. She asked the demon for help,

That's even worse.

I don't know why it would be. It gave her what she needed, and she never tried to release it either.

Yes, she got exactly what she needed. So much so that she decided to go back to the demon for more "help." If it wasn't for Marethari executing one of the most idiotic acts of the game, who knows what Merrill would have done. Just because she didn't make a deal per say doesn't mean what she did wasn't dangerous. Using blood magic is never not dangerous.

I never said it wasn't dangerous. All I am saying is that she played it smart. She had Hawke go with her to slay her should anything happen.