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[Bleachrude]

rasloveszev wrote...


NO. His hatred has nothing to do with Kirkwall, he's still acts like he's in the Imperium. So after SIX YEARS of being protected by mages, all the change he's gone through is "not ALL mages are weak  and will fall prey to their baser instincts"? And yet he'll still side with Meridith to kill every mage including MY SISTER?! 

EDIT:

No. He was protected by maybe 2 mages. since giving Fenris back to Danarius actually gives Anders frienship points (and I'm amused that so few don't call Anders out on this). 

[Ser Alicia]

Angrywolves wrote...

didn't hate him but didn't like him either.

Basically, this. I don't hate him, but he doesn't give me any reason to like him either.

Modificata da TheBioticAssassin, 01 gennaio 2014 - 06:31 .

[Invisible Man]

I guess he was fairly unique as a dragon age character, though I also don't like, nor hate him. I just can't seem to put my finger on why.

[rasloveszev]

Bleachrude wrote...

rasloveszev wrote...


NO. His hatred has nothing to do with Kirkwall, he's still acts like he's in the Imperium. So after SIX YEARS of being protected by mages, all the change he's gone through is "not ALL mages are weak  and will fall prey to their baser instincts"? And yet he'll still side with Meridith to kill every mage including MY SISTER?! 

EDIT:

No. He was protected by maybe 2 mages. since giving Fenris back to Danarius actually gives Anders frienship points (and I'm amused that so few don't call Anders out on this). 

That doesn't make him any less of a stupid hypocrite. Why are under the impression that Anders fans automatically hate Fenris? I only hated him once he stubbornly sided with Meridith against me. Why would I lose a characters over a few friendship points that I most likely dont need because by Act 1 or Act 2, I already have 100 friendship points. Not only that, don't you get friendship points with Fenris if you blackmail a templar to expose that his dead daughter was an apostate? Atleast Anders only spiteful against Fenris, Fenris was spiteful towards someone he didn't know except that he had an apostate daughter. 

[JosieJ]

Bleachrude wrote...

Er he did change. He believes hat not ALL mages are weak  and will fall prey to their baser instincts. It is just that in Kirkwall the average mage he runs into _IS_ one that jumps at blood magic or is an abomination.

I find it amusing that people are quick to ignore Fenris' experience but for some reason, everything that comes out of Ander's mouth is taken as 100% truth.

I don't hate Fenris, nor do I think that everything that comes out of Anders' mouth is 100% truth.  But Fenris never moves from his "the Templars are always right" stance, even when he admits that all mages aren't weak.  He's perfectly happy to slaughter every mage in Kirkwall for Anders' crime, including Circle mages, who had nothing to do with it and furthermore are in exactly the state he thinks mages should be in: watched closely by the Templars.  He's also perfectly OK with the Templars' abuses of power, especially making mages Tranquil after they've passed their Harrowing (which is supposedly contrary to Chantry law).  Not to mention his "magic ruins everything it touches" stance is illogical if he's romancing a Mage!Hawke or even just a Hawke who loves his sister and doesn't want her to die.  It's not that much of a stretch to think that Fenris wouldn't mind if all mages were drowned at birth.  For a former slave, it's ironic that he doesn't seem to see that mages in Kirkwall, as events stand, are slaves themselves: used for their magical talents, but denied basic freedoms like contact with their families and the right to appear at court, or even leave their cells.

I don't have a problem with companions who don't slavishly follow Hawke's every whim, but I was hoping that Hawke would have some deeper effect on Fenris, especially if romanced, at least to the point of getting him to admit that the Circle system should be kept but reformed.  But then, it's pretty hard for even my Hawkes to argue that, since whatever you say in the rest of the game, in the end you're forced into a choice between "total freedom for all mages" or "death to all mages."

Still, despite my problems with his character development, more of my Hawkes have romanced him than any other companion, so there are obviously other things about him that I like.

[LilPancho86]

 I was surprised at the extent to which I thoroughly dislike Fenris. The look of the character as a seemingly awkward attempt at inserting an anime-type cartoon in this specific type of medieval setting, is just one reason. (I prefer my greatsword brawler fully armored in medieval-type heavy armor, not some barefoot talker with a grudge.) The guy is the ONLY other warrior aside from Aveline that I can recruit. I hate lack of options especially for melee companions. Bethany is my absolute favorite friend, and seeing tension spawn between the two from the beginning already had my mind made up. I basically told Fenris to take a hike the first chance I got.

[Finnn62]

I actually really liked fenris, to be honest. He's probably my next favorite companion after Varric in DA2.

[TheMadHarridan]

I really like Fenris as well. Does he have flaws? Of course. Is he justified in being hostile to anyone who decides to wear robes or wield a staff? No way. However, he is a very damaged character with a tragic, painful past. He was abused by a brutal, cruel mage and almost every other mage he has encountered has been either possessed or a blood mage who consorts with demons. It's understandable that he's distrustful, and I cut him some slack because of this. Fenris does go overboard with that, as I think he should at least give the mages a chance, but it's understandable that he doesn't welcome them with open arms.

 

As for his appearance, he is very anime, as many have said. In fact, the first thing I said when I saw him was, "What's an anime character doing in Dragon Age?" However, his appearance grew on me, and since he and Merrill are the only good-looking elves in Kirkwall (in my opinion) because the rest look like deformed giraffes, I have no complaints. And his smile is swoon-worthy.

 

And Gideon Emery, his voice actor, makes me melt every time he speaks. Sigh.

[Kira_Sadi]

the reason I don't like him is because he is always saying how slavery is bad, and (if memory severs me correctly ) he dose nothing about it, he only dose something when Hawke is with him. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[dragonflight288]

I don't hate Fenris, but I don't like him either. Does he have a point? Sure, there are a lot of mages in Kirkwall who go nuts, and most of the blood mages we meet are in Act 3, but even in Acts 1 and 2 we were still surrounded by crazy people, some of which were also mages. 

 

I think he's a huge hypocrite with a massive chip on his shoulder, larger even than Carver's inferiority to the sibling complex, as Carver limits his pessimism and all the bad things happening on one person excessively (Hawke) whereas Fenris essentially blames an entire group of people and is nearly incapable of seeing any random mage as a good person, as all he sees in magic is danger and doesn't see the humanity (or elvenity) unless he knows them personally like mage-Hawke.

 

I guess I just personally have problems with people who moan, whine and complain all the time, I don't like bigots, and Fenris fits both categories.

 

However, I do respect him. He escaped from slavery, ran and fought his way across an ocean and a continent before finally resolving to lay down roots, turn and face the tiger, stand his ground, and face Denarius's hunters on his terms. Most slaves don't have the fortitude to do that.  

[MurkDatThing]

I romanced him as a mage with full friendship. He's one of my favorite characters. Way better than whiny ass Anders, that's for sure. I can see why people wouldn't like him though, but eh, people have opinions.

 

 

He stole my white hair shtick. White hair doesn't even look good on him! It goes better with darker skin tones, not to mention he has BLACK eyebrows! That means his hair is dyed!

 

And I think his hair is white because he had lyrium etched into his skin, and that might have turned his hair white. I mean, he did have a life before slavery, and probably had black hair. Doesn't really explain why his eyebrows aren't white, though, but it's the best explanation.

[Lazarillo]

I don't hate him, but he felt kinda one-dimensional, IMO, and seemed sort of tacked-on, like he could've never appeared and nothing about the game would really change.  And it did get annoying to hear him complain about everything, though that may be because I made him a rival...I'm going to try having him as a friend next time, and I'm hoping that makes him more interesting and more likeable.

[Sidney]

He and Anders both annoy me because they are one note songs and they won't shut up about it.  Anders is slightly more tolerable just because it seems there are fewer places for him to get all hacked off whereas Fenris is perpetually peeved. Also, I don't much like his voice (preferences will vary)  so I think an annoying voice saying annoying things, often, really grinds on me .

[HTTP 404]

I don't mind fenris.  I don't like how he looks, mostly it is his hair cut

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Like him, but can't take him very seriously. Kind of a "slave Sue" IMO (don't know if that trope exists, but it would fit him). On one hand very well-spoken and enlightened on subjects that the average Thedosian doesn't have much knowledge of, but then he's also illiterate. Was kind of a writer's pet too.

[KaiserShep]

 Like him, but can't take him very seriously. Kind of a "slave Sue" IMO (don't know if that trope exists, but it would fit him). On one hand very well-spoken and enlightened on subjects that the average Thedosian doesn't have much knowledge of, but then he's also illiterate. Was kind of a writer's pet too.

 

This was something I didn't quite get. He was basically a grab bag of random trivia, but these things had to be told to him by someone else somehow to know any of this.

 

No. He was protected by maybe 2 mages. since giving Fenris back to Danarius actually gives Anders frienship points (and I'm amused that so few don't call Anders out on this). 

 

I imagine that handing Fenris over to Danarius isn't a particularly popular choice. That, and handing Fenris over is evil enough that it makes Hawke look much worse. It would have been interesting if Anders expressed this desire regardless of what choice you made, revealing his true colors, though this would be crap unless we had the ability to respond to it properly.

 

Anyway, I like Fenris enough, though he can be a frustrating character in the beginning, and I generally prefer to let him brood by himself in "his" mansion, though I do eventually max out his friendship in the end.

[-TC1989-]

Personally I liked Fenris, although sometimes he came off a bit too immature. The parts that would kind of tick me off... is when he would butcher someone, tell me it's none of my business and storm off. Bro I'm trying to help you piece your life back together. I don't need you killing people and giving me that rebellious teenager attitude 

[Lulupab]

I don't think I "hate" him, its a strong word but I certainly dislike him but sort of like a rude "friend" that you have in real life too. I like teasing him and bothering him but I wouldn't kill him or send him back to slavery. He is annoying and I like to annoy him back to the best of my ability. "Shut up Fenris". Hawke actually says this and I really meant it.

I always rival him because it seems natural, in order to befriend him you actually have to agree with his bullsh**. I certainly don't.

[Reidbynature]

I found the character pretty annoying.  He was pretty one note in his sulkiness and never really had much of a character arc beyond that.  If he had a better character arc then there would have at least been some growth and a pay off for putting up with him.  I honestly enjoy sending him back to Danarius in my more evil playthroughs.

 

Mind you, I thought it was kinda funny he just gives up with little more than a whimper given his violent tendencies and threats up until then.  I could see why some could prefer to have him turn on them in the final act if they side with mages so they can fight him to the death (or defeat, it's never really spelled out).

[Elhanan]

Depends on the playthrough, and which Hawke I am using. In one that he is disliked, little is done with him, and gets few visits, as is seen more as a drunken, bigoted, hypocritical bully.

[queencousland]

I don't hate Fenris, he's one of my favourite characters. I know it can be annoying with his constant complaining about mages but I think after all the years you're with him he still expresses his hate for mages because it's all he has other then Hawke. THe mages took away all his life before, even his memories. Imagine not remembering half of your life, even your name. Fenris is cold sometimes because he doesn't trust people. I think that after all he's been through, it's amazing he can still love Hawke or have a strong friendship with her/him.

[viberunner]

 

I understand he was a slave once...

 

To (semi?) quote Fenris... no, no you really don't.

 

You cannot even begin to truly understand what he has both suffered and seen with mage after mage in the Imperium, but more than that even with the few years with Hawke he has seen several mages go rogue, talk to demons, use blood magic, etc.,

[JJ Likeaprayer]

I feel you. Because I sided with the mages and he turned his back on me to the templars,at first I was very angry at him,like this is how you repay me??? But then,once you choose to be a bigger person and still be nice to him,he would stay with you...he's somewhat angry 80% of the time,but he's right about a lot of things too.