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[Remix-General Aetius]

actually the BSN has nothing on the Diablo 3 Bnet community. one of the worst I've ever seen. your IQ automatically lowers by at least 75% when you enter that place. the General Discussion section is by far the worst.

the Public Test Realm section is much better, but as soon as you cross over to the G.D., that's when it's a steep slope. although they are far more accurate with their depictions of Blizzard than BSNers are of Bioware.

[Daemul]

It's less toxic than it was due to the worst culprits leaving the forum(hopefully forever), those that remain barring a handful are more reasonable. This forum was a complete mess in the aftermath of Mass Effect 3's release, to the extent where I had to go on a self imposed hiatus for a few months to get away from the poisoned atmosphere.

[Fixers0]

If toxic means that  their poor quality games recieve their rightfull critsism, then let it be as toxic at is can possibly get.

[Reorte]

There's nothing toxic and never has been. That's just a word invented by people who can't face criticism.

[sr2josh]

Reorte wrote...

There's nothing toxic and never has been. That's just a word invented by people who can't face criticism.

[FlamingBoy]

Makai81 wrote...

Reorte wrote...

There's nothing toxic and never has been. That's just a word invented by people who can't face criticism.

That is not toxic, its an extremely clever form of protest. If that is defined as "toxic" then I encourage all people to be as toxic as humanly possible.

[Xamufam]

Ieldra2 wrote...

"Toxic" is the state of things that you can't say something good about a game or an element within it on a forum without getting swarmed by haters; and by "haters", I don't mean those who simply disagree, but those who pour their hate on the person who said the "disagreeable" thing, or the developers. 

The ME3 forum has gotten less toxic by the simple expedient that many players have left, and that that those who remain have mostly gained some emotional detachment.

Emotional criticism is valid. It is valid to call ME3's ending a trainwreck, to say that ME3 is depressing, that you feel betrayed by it and other things more. "Toxic", that's when a group of posters descend like furies on anyone who disagrees - or the developers - as if it was an offense to even hold a different opinion. This is toxic because it drives people away who want to discuss the game - not necessarily without passion, but in a somewhat reasonable manner.

Having said that, developer presence can reduce the toxicity level. There are always jerks, but as a rule people tend to be a little more polite if developers are present. Also from the developer side, it helps if certain things are explained, if they're honest, and if unreasonable demands or expectations are rejected by them in a candid manner. I'm seeing this in the DAI forum. It doesn't really help if depressed and confused fans - there are still elements in ME3's ending that leave me scratching my head after almost two years - are left to stew in their own juice, or with marketing speak.

I believe most of the writers did not know what the ending meant, here is something from twitter that hints at that
twitter.com/PatrickWeekes/status/178386782042324992

Modifié par Troxa, 01 janvier 2014 - 01:07 .

[JamesFaith]

Reorte wrote...

There's nothing toxic and never has been. That's just a word invented by people who can't face criticism.

Nothing extremely toxic here now, yes,  but because past death threads and worst insults were deleted by devs it doesn't mean they never existed.

[FlamingBoy]

JamesFaith wrote...

Reorte wrote...

There's nothing toxic and never has been. That's just a word invented by people who can't face criticism.

Nothing extremely toxic here now, yes,  but because past death threads and worst insults were deleted by devs it doesn't mean they never existed.

And because there we can't see a thread about bumblebees threatening bioware with their vicious stings does not mean it never existed either, because big brother obviously deleted what we can't see.

complete failure in logic aside, the vast majority (this is one of the few times I do not need stats to be certain about) of posts on bsn even after the me3 release was criticism of the game, staff, marketing campaign. While I do not doubt that their may have been several "death threats" (with almost zero valditiy) such a thing was used to paint all bsn by the same brush. Despite totally being disconnected from reality.

[sr2josh]

JamesFaith wrote...

Reorte wrote...

There's nothing toxic and never has been. That's just a word invented by people who can't face criticism.

Nothing extremely toxic here now, yes,  but because past death threads and worst insults were deleted by devs it doesn't mean they never existed.

Like the people that claimed "the endings ruined my life".

[Farangbaa]

Reorte wrote...

There's nothing toxic and never has been. That's just a word invented by people who can't face criticism.

Hello, toxic element. 

I remember coming here for the first time 1 year after the release of ME3, figured I'd find people here who love the game as much as I do. Instead, I found people threatening to never buy BW products again, people attacking me for actually liking ME3 and the endings and, in general, only people that seem to dislike everything ME related.

This forum is just as bad as the random MMO forum.

[mhmbaSR1]

cupcakes? not really toxic more like a message that i think was clever
death threats? very toxic
people who like the game being attacked? toxic, i wasn't here around release but i imagine if i had been i would have been toast, because im not going to lie i love me3, even with its problems

but all in all i hope bioware realizes that there are still hardcore fans out there who love their games and are looking forward to the next mass effect. not all of us are haters

[Daemul]

mhmbaSR1 wrote...

cupcakes? not really toxic more like a message that i think was clever
death threats? very toxic
people who like the game being attacked? toxic, i wasn't here around release but i imagine if i had been i would have been toast, because im not going to lie i love me3, even with its problems

You forgot the best one, people who didn't believe in IT being called idiots and accused of not "getting it".

[JamesFaith]

FlamingBoy wrote...

And because there we can't see a thread about bumblebees threatening bioware with their vicious stings does not mean it never existed either, because big brother obviously deleted what we can't see.

complete failure in logic aside, the vast majority (this is one of the few times I do not need stats to be certain about) of posts on bsn even after the me3 release was criticism of the game, staff, marketing campaign. While I do not doubt that their may have been several "death threats" (with almost zero valditiy) such a thing was used to paint all bsn by the same brush. Despite totally being disconnected from reality.

Sure, there were valid critics and there were also critics presented in such vulgar and offensive way that most people wouldnť touch it with ten metres long pole (but most of these people are long gone because their purely hate posts lost their atractivity and supporters by time)

But reason why I reacted on Reorte's post is that BSN si now showing classical synpthoms of "mob selective memory", as one of my teacher on university called it, when mob confronted with their action after some time:

1) Denying extent of violance and trivializing proved actions

2) Accussing oppossing side (target of protest, police, media) from provoking current actions and their public exaggerating.

3) Blaming just few individuals from proven action and nearly always claim themselves as part of calm / reasonable part of protest.

It's hard to look on thread like this and donť smile when I see similarity with one document where participants of one protest in nineties claiming exactly this and later are confronted with video where they throwing stones on police and breaking shop windows with pipes.

[crimzontearz]

Your AV does nit help your cause much Makai

That said I hope they do, I was here in the old forums and it was never this bad, I hope they recognize it and try to fix it....but I doubt it

[AngryFrozenWater]

FlamingBoy wrote...

That is not toxic, its an extremely clever form of protest. If that is defined as "toxic" then I encourage all people to be as toxic as humanly possible.

Good point. I think many people think that any kind of disagreement is equal to having a fight. That also explains the silly notion that BSN is supposed to be "toxic". Terms like "haters" also stem from that. The interesting part is that these terms are fuel for flame wars. For some reason the disagreement war has to be won.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 01 janvier 2014 - 02:18 .

[sr2josh]

crimzontearz wrote...

Your AV does nit help your cause much Makai

Sorry it bothers you 

Modifié par Makai81, 01 janvier 2014 - 02:28 .

[David7204]

Nearly all of what a fair deal of people on the BSN think are crimes and slights committed on them by the BioWare marketing and PR team post-release are nothing more than completely fabricated delusions.

Of course, they need those delusions, because without them they have no basis for being hostile. So they desperately make up nonsense.

Modifié par David7204, 01 janvier 2014 - 02:37 .

[crimzontearz]

Right, I hope you understand why makai

[dreamgazer]

Reorte wrote...

There's nothing toxic and never has been. That's just a word invented by people who can't face criticism.

Sorry, but there's a difference between criticism, bias, support for authors, attachment to fictional universes ... and the things this place generates. 

[ruggly]

It's much better than it used to be.

[Daemul]

Reorte wrote...

There's nothing toxic and never has been. That's just a word invented by people who can't face criticism.

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Modifié par Daemul, 01 janvier 2014 - 02:57 .

[Ravensword]

J. Reezy wrote...

Reorte wrote...

There's nothing toxic and never has been. That's just a word invented by people who can't face criticism.

"Invented"? Really? We're going that far with it?

Actually, the word was invented by Britney Spears. Perhaps for the same reason too.