Does Nef's mother send you the email thanking you for avenging her daughter's death if you chose Morinth?
email from Nef's mother
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Posté 01 janvier 2014 - 03:43
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Yes. You monster.
Modifié par RedCaesar97, 01 janvier 2014 - 03:44 .
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Posté 01 janvier 2014 - 04:40
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Heh. 
Actually, I asked because I have never chosen Morinth. Well, that's not quite true. I did pick her once so I could unlock Dominate, but then I reloaded. The game provides no reason, from an RP perspective, to ever pick Morinth.
Actually, I asked because I have never chosen Morinth. Well, that's not quite true. I did pick her once so I could unlock Dominate, but then I reloaded. The game provides no reason, from an RP perspective, to ever pick Morinth.
Modifié par cap and gown, 01 janvier 2014 - 04:41 .
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Posté 02 janvier 2014 - 04:02
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^Quoted for truth.RedCaesar97 wrote...
Yes. You monster.
Even though everyone does it to unlock dominate, it's so clearly evil. Do it, and never speak of it in public. Much like Saturday's S&M night with the Ex. It's supposed to be your dirty little secert cap
Modifié par MoonSpot, 02 janvier 2014 - 04:03 .
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Posté 02 janvier 2014 - 03:07
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cap and gown wrote...
The game provides no reason, from an RP perspective, to ever pick Morinth.
Samara warns Shepard she'll kill him/her after the mission is over, if they are Renegade. You could simply "RP" it as Shepard knowing he'd get creamed in a straight fight with Samara, so he takes his chance with someone like Morinth, who might be more tolerant. They're both dangerous, of course.
Personally, I don't like either option. I don't exactly jump at the opportunity when someone I just met asks me to help kill their daughter (it's insane if you think about it). And I don't like Morinth either. Garrus' loyalty mission is similar to me (again, if I really think about it). It's kind of interesting. These are generally honorable characters, but their loyalty missions are kind of challenging to find a motivation for.
Modifié par StreetMagic, 02 janvier 2014 - 03:19 .
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Posté 03 janvier 2014 - 04:31
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Garrus' motivation is easy. As a renegade or paragon he's an old friend so you either help him because it's what he wants or stop him because it would only serve to to harm him more or whatever justification.
I think Samara's loyalty mission is insane in the slightest, though it's definitely not a black and white situation. On one hand Morinth is a danger to pretty much every form of life that she touched, on the other hand you are effectively killing her for being different. Now, if forwgatever reason the latter really strikes a chord...I could see someone picking Morinth. Maybe give her a chance at redemption in the suicide mission. I have never chosen Morinth, so I don't know how Shepard acts.
I think Samara's loyalty mission is insane in the slightest, though it's definitely not a black and white situation. On one hand Morinth is a danger to pretty much every form of life that she touched, on the other hand you are effectively killing her for being different. Now, if forwgatever reason the latter really strikes a chord...I could see someone picking Morinth. Maybe give her a chance at redemption in the suicide mission. I have never chosen Morinth, so I don't know how Shepard acts.
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Posté 03 janvier 2014 - 07:42
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insan3Spectre wrote...
Garrus' motivation is easy. As a renegade or paragon he's an old friend so you either help him because it's what he wants or stop him because it would only serve to to harm him more or whatever justification.
I think Samara's loyalty mission is insane in the slightest, though it's definitely not a black and white situation. On one hand Morinth is a danger to pretty much every form of life that she touched, on the other hand you are effectively killing her for being different. Now, if forwgatever reason the latter really strikes a chord...I could see someone picking Morinth. Maybe give her a chance at redemption in the suicide mission. I have never chosen Morinth, so I don't know how Shepard acts.
Garrus isn't necessarily my friend.
That said, I don't see anything wrong with friendship being a good motivator. I just don't see how that works for everyone. There's not enough circumstantial reasoning to help him. Like with Tali, the idea of her being exiled is interesting enough to investigate beyond just personal reasons. Was it something she did or Shepard did? Or Jack, if you're curious what other experiments Cerberus has been up to. Legion and the Heretics is another. You have to be a little more attentive to personal matters when it comes to Miranda or Garrus though. There's no reason to care about her sister, other than whether you personally like her or not. And no reason to care about Sidonis, unless you're Garrus' "bro". And to add to the confusion, they give you Thane's mission right before, where he asks to help stop an assassination on the Citadel. It comes off pretty shallow if you went Paragon in that mission, and then just jump into Garrus' mission afterwards. It's cool that you can talk to him during the mission, but there's no way of protesting much beforehand. You have to agree to help him first.
Modifié par StreetMagic, 03 janvier 2014 - 08:01 .
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Posté 03 janvier 2014 - 09:58
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I don't have too big of a moral objection to Garrus killing Sidonis. He betrayed 11 people that where putting their lives at risk in good old robin hood like fashion, to their deaths. And sold them out to mercenaries, who they were fighting to help the people of omega. I could have felt differently if Sidonis went to the police(which don't exists on omega). but instead he cleared his accounts, and had harkin help him disappear. That spells premeditated to me.
However streetmagic, you could go renegade on garrus' mission first, then paragon for thanes second. Then quote some kind of new age karma or balance hot air to make the moral flip flop between the 2 missions 'feel' better
:edit: that what I do
However streetmagic, you could go renegade on garrus' mission first, then paragon for thanes second. Then quote some kind of new age karma or balance hot air to make the moral flip flop between the 2 missions 'feel' better
:edit: that what I do
Modifié par MoonSpot, 03 janvier 2014 - 10:22 .
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Posté 03 janvier 2014 - 10:26
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For Garrus's mission I think Garrus offers at least one valid reason for dealing with Sidonis: there is no authority available for handling Sidonis. It is either Garrus and Shepard that deal with his "crime" or no one. (And with Shepard being a Spectre, she is free to be that authority if she wants to be.)
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Posté 03 janvier 2014 - 10:31
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Whatever works for people. I like Garrus to be dead in ME3 anyways. This way the Normandy seems more miserable and claustrophobic without Garrus' newfound buddy movie behavior. Besides that, he isn't really the first on my list to want around and have a connection to from ME2. To each their own, but it's not for me.
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Posté 03 janvier 2014 - 01:41
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insan3Spectre wrote...
I think Samara's loyalty mission is insane in the slightest, though it's definitely not a black and white situation. On one hand Morinth is a danger to pretty much every form of life that she touched, on the other hand you are effectively killing her for being different. Now, if forwgatever reason the latter really strikes a chord...I could see someone picking Morinth. Maybe give her a chance at redemption in the suicide mission. I have never chosen Morinth, so I don't know how Shepard acts.
For me it definitely is black and white.
I don't really care about Samara wanting to kill her own daughter. She's crazy mom, I'm fine with that.
No problem about Morinth being Ardat Yakshi, or whatever either.
My problem with Morinth is, that she preys on innocents.
I could tolerate Morinth more if she, for example, only preys on baddies. ME universe seem to never run out of those random krogan or merc or pirates. But nope, Morinth preys on the weak and defenseless and innocents.
My (Renegade) Shepard finds that extremely ... distasteful.
Nef's mother asking me to take revenge on her behalf, that's all the reason I need to axe Morinth.
As for what justification I could find if I want to recruit Morinth?
I'm not sure I like that idea. Morinth doesn't seem like she could restrain herself? I could see her trying to seduce... Jacob, or Garrus, or any of Normandy crew, although maybe not because she may find it hard to escape Normandy once she does that.
Perhaps one possible reason is... if Shepard decides to not trust Samara, because Shepard may suspect Samara's loyalty, being based on the Justicar Code, is not really that reliable since Shepard doesn't know the Code and Shepard could be BS-ed.
Morinth's loyalty to Shepard on the hand, will be based on much simple thing: Lust. Morinth wants Shepard, Morinth is intrigued by Shepard, and she follows because she wants to know more, and seek the excitement of the danger that Shepard seem to seek.
Modifié par lonelyloner, 03 janvier 2014 - 01:43 .
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Posté 03 janvier 2014 - 03:56
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Just realize I forgot to put the word "don't" in my description of Samara's loyalty mission. I don't think it's insane in the slightest. I can't edit or quote posts on my kindle, so.....
@lonelyloner
To be fair, Morinth seems to attack anything that intrigues her. That includes includes a lonely and confused Nef or a powerful figure like Shepard. You make it sound like she only goes after the weak, but I always had the feeling that, as long as you fall under her short list of specifics, you are fair game. Just don't think I am condoning her actions. I just like to see things from a different angle.
@ Streetmagic
Fair enough, but it's safe to assume that most people will play Shepard is an old friend. At least I do, and it would have course affected my view of his assignment. Same thing for Tali.
Also, it's important to note that both Garrus and Tali are around relative strangers in ME2. I don't know if you have seen a particular conversation on the Citadel, but it shows Garrus in a way that is very like his interactions in ME3, which suggests to me that he is more outgoing in ME3 because he is among old friends.
But, even if I am reading too much into it, I see Garrus and everyone else's interactions
in 3 as an improvement.
@lonelyloner
To be fair, Morinth seems to attack anything that intrigues her. That includes includes a lonely and confused Nef or a powerful figure like Shepard. You make it sound like she only goes after the weak, but I always had the feeling that, as long as you fall under her short list of specifics, you are fair game. Just don't think I am condoning her actions. I just like to see things from a different angle.
@ Streetmagic
Fair enough, but it's safe to assume that most people will play Shepard is an old friend. At least I do, and it would have course affected my view of his assignment. Same thing for Tali.
Also, it's important to note that both Garrus and Tali are around relative strangers in ME2. I don't know if you have seen a particular conversation on the Citadel, but it shows Garrus in a way that is very like his interactions in ME3, which suggests to me that he is more outgoing in ME3 because he is among old friends.
But, even if I am reading too much into it, I see Garrus and everyone else's interactions
in 3 as an improvement.
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Posté 03 janvier 2014 - 04:24
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I know most people see Garrus that way. I used to like him well enough until ME3. He survived in some playthroughs at least. I wasn't a big fan, but he was cool. Then they rewrote him to fit the fandom's conception. As if everyone is Garrus Fan #1 and sees things exactly the same way with the whole "bro" thing. "No Shepard without Vakarian." Great. I liked other characters more. The only way I can avoid that is by letting him die now. I can't avoid it if he's alive.. because the game is full of autodialogue that forces it. If he's alive, then it assumes I kept him alive because he's my best buddy. The only way I can roleplay anything that resembles the last game is by letting him die and having no interaction at all. Kind of sad, I guess.
This is all kind of off the point though. If you wish, feel free to have the last word. I don't want to derail too much.
This is all kind of off the point though. If you wish, feel free to have the last word. I don't want to derail too much.
Modifié par StreetMagic, 03 janvier 2014 - 04:52 .
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Posté 05 janvier 2014 - 11:24
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I picked Morinth because I thought she was interesting and weird and then she ended up being my favorite squadmate. She's complex, bad-ass, seductive, creepy, crazy and I like her personality. I like femme fatale characters and Morinth is exactly that. Yes, she's a killer but that just makes her all the more interesting! People like baddies and vampires all of the time in stories, I like Morinth. Plus, it's fictional!
I really wish she had a better appearance in ME3 though... wasted potential!
I really wish she had a better appearance in ME3 though... wasted potential!
Modifié par Handmaiden, 05 janvier 2014 - 11:41 .
