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[IllusiveManJr]

I'm trying to figure out what that censored word is...

[Steelcan]

Mages have ways to level the playing field and with the veil tear they may be more powerful

[Hellion Rex]

IllusiveManJr wrote...

I'm trying to figure out what that censored word is...

H*tler?
or
N*zi?

[HiroVoid]

Are Veil tears and weakenings like that in general confirmed to strengthen mages or is that just speculation?

[Veruin]

HiroVoid wrote...

Are Veil tears and weakenings like that in general confirmed to strengthen mages or is that just speculation?

I think they're semi confirmed rumours.

[Hellion Rex]

HiroVoid wrote...

Are Veil tears and weakenings like that in general confirmed to strengthen mages or is that just speculation?

It's speculation. Mages draw on power from the Fade, and when the Fade is "closer" to you through the form of a weakened Veil or even tear, it is assumed that extra power might be granted. But conversely, in exchange for an extra boost, using magic near a weakened Veil increases chance of a demon coming through.

[Demx]

No doubt the templars will have splinter groups; weakening the overall integrity of the faction. I think the war between the two factions will be more disorganized then when Loghain was trying to wipe out the wardens from Ferelden.

Modifié par Siradix, 01 janvier 2014 - 11:32 .

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Yes if they want did realistic way that would look that war because templars have advantage
in almost every aspect so unless every mage turn into abomnation (and burn world) or blood mage mages should be done. On other side they might do that unrealistic way well it is game and well templars aren't very competent so well...

No the don't.  If that were true Tevnter would of been taken down by the marches years ago. The templars have a big flaw, a dependency on Lyrium. Cut off their Lyrium and in a month the war would be over.

Well not quite true mages aren't only forces that tevinter have and we go into blood magic territory and country that will use even most di**** means to defeat the enemy.

Teventors strongests fighting force is made of spell swords. Mages who fight with swords. Sorry, but that tops templars.

[leaguer of one]

eluvianix wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Are Veil tears and weakenings like that in general confirmed to strengthen mages or is that just speculation?

It's speculation. Mages draw on power from the Fade, and when the Fade is "closer" to you through the form of a weakened Veil or even tear, it is assumed that extra power might be granted. But conversely, in exchange for an extra boost, using magic near a weakened Veil increases chance of a demon coming through.

That's not going to be an issue being that the demons are already floodong over.

[AzukiJin]

I don't think it matters if the Templars are specialized in killing mages, if a mage can fire a huge stone from across a field and squish 10 people at once.

[leaguer of one]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

I don't think mages would be able to replenish their ranks as easily as templars could, not unless they plan to send out children and babies to fight the templars and have a way of locating them at birth before the templars do.

This is also assuming all mages and all templars will follow the orders of their higher ups, I can predict a group of loyalist mages and thrask-esque templars banning together to form a new faction looking to restore the circles and resolve the issues peacefully.

Ya, it's not that it takes years of training to become a templar or that they are not dependent on something that if they don't have for a month they go crazy...

[Hellion Rex]

leaguer of one wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Are Veil tears and weakenings like that in general confirmed to strengthen mages or is that just speculation?

It's speculation. Mages draw on power from the Fade, and when the Fade is "closer" to you through the form of a weakened Veil or even tear, it is assumed that extra power might be granted. But conversely, in exchange for an extra boost, using magic near a weakened Veil increases chance of a demon coming through.

That's not going to be an issue being that the demons are already floodong over.

Well, yeah, now it won't be an issue. All the demons can physically cross over through that big a** rip in the sky.

[EmperorSahlertz]

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Yes if they want did realistic way that would look that war because templars have advantage
in almost every aspect so unless every mage turn into abomnation (and burn world) or blood mage mages should be done. On other side they might do that unrealistic way well it is game and well templars aren't very competent so well...

No the don't.  If that were true Tevnter would of been taken down by the marches years ago. The templars have a big flaw, a dependency on Lyrium. Cut off their Lyrium and in a month the war would be over.

Well not quite true mages aren't only forces that tevinter have and we go into blood magic territory and country that will use even most di**** means to defeat the enemy.

Teventors strongests fighting force is made of spell swords. Mages who fight with swords. Sorry, but that tops templars.

The majority of the Tevinter army is still not mages.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 02 janvier 2014 - 02:30 .

[Adanu]

Templars only work in close quarters, and have tended to hunt down solo mages. They have *never* had to fight a whole army of mages before.

Logic, use it.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Arguably every Annulment the Templars are fighting a small army of mages. And so far no annulment has failed.

[Adanu]

Annulment is relatively small bands in CLOSE QUARTERS.

A war is not close quarters, nor small bands. Hundreds of mages in a fortress? Yes, I'd imagine the Templars would have a hard time getting within range for their abilities, let alone close quarters.. Logic please.

Modifié par Adanu, 02 janvier 2014 - 03:00 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Are you claiming that Templars don't have archers. even though we see them in DA2? Are you claiming that Templar abilities are all melee range, even though we know that isn't true?

You talk of logic, but so far it appears you failed to apply it yourself.

[Adanu]

Archers have to get in range to fire, and mages have shields on top of that. Hell, the mages could hire mercenaries to act as a shield wall.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Uhm... Mages needs to get in range for their abilities aswell... Anyway, your claim that Templars only knows how to fight in close-quarters is decidedly wrong.

[Adanu]

Mages have huge range compared to Templar abilities. The only thing they have they could remotely help with that is archers, and archers are not mages.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Templar abilities had about as much range as the average mage spell. And mages still die if they get pierced by an arrow, no matter how much you favor them.

[Vit246]

OP, of course the Mage-Templar War should be one-sided.....against the Templars.

Because they cut themselves off from the Chantry. They cut themselves off from the lyrium supply source. There's no way they can acquire enough lyrium by themselves. And the apparent widespread use of Red Lyrium should already be crippling them.

No more lyrium = no more powers and sanity.

Modifié par Vit246, 02 janvier 2014 - 03:31 .

[andy6915]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Templar abilities had about as much range as the average mage spell. And mages still die if they get pierced by an arrow, no matter how much you favor them.

Won't work as easily as you think. Mages have magical shields and barriers that can and do protect them from arrows and swords (and other melee weapons), they can spawn very thick armor made of solid rock, they have magical healing that can literally heal broken bones in seconds. Not to say every mage knows how to do this stuff, if they did the mages at the end of DA2 would have put up a far better fight against the Templars... But the options are there if the mage wants to protect themselves.

[myahele]

I'm guessing the fact that the circle and templars are independent from chantry will mean that they are both cut off from lyrium supplies. Some more than others.

With that in mind I can see them being even and its all about PR.

I can see circle mages getting support via enchanments, magical research, medicine + magical healing and education.

Templars...whatever.

It is the extreme factions like blood mages and red templars that are the ultimate threat.

Keep in mind that there are regular folk that know mages and won't turn them in to the templars + folks will be less willing to help over zealous templars as seen in kirkwall

[Veruin]

myahele wrote...

I'm guessing the fact that the circle and templars are independent from chantry will mean that they are both cut off from lyrium supplies. Some more than others.

With that in mind I can see them being even and its all about PR.

I can see circle mages getting support via enchanments, magical research, medicine + magical healing and education.

Templars...whatever.

It is the extreme factions like blood mages and red templars that are the ultimate threat.

Keep in mind that there are regular folk that know mages and won't turn them in to the templars + folks will be less willing to help over zealous templars as seen in kirkwall

Mages need lyrium for enchantments, funds for research, and the creation tree is said to be one of the harder trees to learn. The only thing they have is education on their magic.

Keep in mind there are regular folk who won't trust mages and will want them out of town ASAP.  But, I'm fairly sure the majority doesn't care and is too busy working to harvest enough food to make it through winter.

andy69156915 wrote...

Won't work as easily as you think. Mages have magical shields and barriers that can and do protect them from arrows and swords (and other melee weapons), they can spawn very thick armor made of solid rock, they have magical healing that can literally heal broken bones in seconds. Not to say every mage knows how to do this stuff, if they did the mages at the end of DA2 would have put up a far better fight against the Templars... But the options are there if the mage wants to protect themselves.

Isn't the whole point of templar abilities to dispell magic?

Modifié par Veruin, 02 janvier 2014 - 03:47 .