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[Hellion Rex]

Br3ad wrote...

Having a interest in the mortal world is not what makes one a demon. For a spirit to be a demon it must simply embody the negative traits of Andrastian society. The hunger for these negative traits is what makes the demons want to cross the Veil. that's the way that I see it, anyway.

Do you think he is a demon?

[Lulupab]

dragonflight288 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Rassler wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Just because Vengeance wasn't mentioned in the quote doesn't mean it's not a demon

Even if Vengeance and Justice are too inmixed, vengeance still embody negative emotions which is what makes a demon (I.E Rage)

The only time we meet Justice is in the fade and briefly. Its only Justice and no Anders. He turns on the player for willing to sacrifice an innocent (Feynriel) for torpor's Ambition NO DEMON would do that. There torpor acknowledges that Justice is a spirit not a demon. I think a demon can recognize its kind.

He is not fully corrupted he still does many things that are considered just. He is Justice and Vengeance both. He is willing to kill innocents to save innocent mages and this is where his corruption lies. Cause of Anders he thinks mages have priority in both Justice and Vengeance.

If Vengeance wasn't a demon, he was damn well near it. But I do believe he was a demon.

I like to think of it this way.

"All demons are spirits but not all spirits are demons." And a demon is simply a spirit who has an intense interest in the mortal world, want to experience it and so on. That is the definition of demons given to us by other spirits like Justice in Awakening, Sloth and Valor in the mage origin.

I actually think Justice, under that definition, was closer to becoming a demon in Awakening, when he grew interested in the mortal world after meeting Aura, and saw how complex mortals are compared to spirits, and how's there's so much more than he originally thought.

And when he possessed Anders, he got involved in the mage plight as it were, and was concerned with mortal affairs.

Under the definition I previously provided, his very interest in mortal affairs and influencing it makes him a demon.

That doesn't match the description Bioware gave about demons. We have to see what happens if more spirits of Justice come to Thedas after veil torn. Justice is aiding mages because he feels there is a clear injustice against them.

Anders is quite strong and he has powers of an abomination yet he doesn't act like one because the spirit inside him is not a Demon. He doesn't want to rule the world. He clearly opposses any sort of blood magic and consorting with demons etc... Tell me another abomination like this. We met plenty of them in DA2. Justice just doesn't belong in Thedas. His ideas of either innocent or guilty doesn't have any place in Thedas but here he is. The human emotion Justice is much more complicated than faith or fortitude anyway.

[Br3admax]

For me, it's a toss up. Technically, Justice didn't make Anders do anything that Anders didn't want to do all ready. Spirits see in absolutes. Why not make Anders see in absolutes as well? He seemed in control of himself when not under Ander's influence, so I don't think that he was quite there.

[The Elder King]

Br3ad wrote...

For me, it's a toss up. Technically, Justice didn't make Anders do anything that Anders didn't want to do all ready. Spirits see in absolutes. Why not make Anders see in absolutes as well? He seemed in control of himself when not under Ander's influence, so I don't think that he was quite there.

In rivarly path, in the case Hakwe convinced Anders that what he's doing is wrong, Justice assumes control to prevent him to remove the bomb.