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[Ser Alicia]

All hail Anders!! All hail Anders!!

[Adanu]

Anders did what was necessary, nothing more, nothing less.

The Chantry is an accomplice to mage slavery in the form of the circle, and deserves to be removed from Thedas. I'm amazed someone else didn't do it sooner.

I also laugh at people calling ANders a terrorist. It was never about terror for him, so why the hell are you people using that word? Oh wait, because you're a bunch of ignorant fools who use the latest poltical buzzwords as gospel.

Modifié par Adanu, 02 janvier 2014 - 02:44 .

[Nefla]

Maybe if I hadn't killed him at the end, and if he'd actually accomplished something other than blowing up an old woman and a bunch of innocents and getting the smackdown put on the Kirkwall circle. He gets lots of innocent mages killed for his personal ideal and doesn't achieve anything.

[Adanu]

He does achieve something: Showing the world the Templars true colors.

[Liyros]

By the ****** of Anders! Ander's breath! ..Anders preserve us. She will know the peas of the Ander's benediction.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Siradix wrote...

Anders wasn't following some kind of faith when he set up us the bomb.

But all their base belongs to Loghain.

[Vit246]

OP. Just stop. Its embarrassing for all sides here.

And for the last time, Anders did not "start" anything. He was just another domino that was gonna fall anyway. If not him, it would've been someone else and something else.

And it was someone else and something else after all. In a freaking book called Asunder.

Modifié par Vit246, 02 janvier 2014 - 03:49 .

[Vit246]

Nefla wrote...

Maybe if I hadn't killed him at the end, and if he'd actually accomplished something other than blowing up an old woman and a bunch of innocents and getting the smackdown put on the Kirkwall circle. He gets lots of innocent mages killed for his personal ideal and doesn't achieve anything.

He killed an influential authority figure who chose to do nothing with her power and authority and basically uphold the status quo. One way or another, she had to go. I don't recall any "innocents" in the Chantry aside from Templars. And its not like the Kirkwall Circle was doing fine and dandy before Anders. Innocent mages were already suffering and being killed. At least this way, those mages had to finally fight back and give their all to get Templars and the Chantry off their backs once and for all.

[Adanu]

Seriously, why are people still thinking the Chantry priests and that **** of a Grand Cleric are innocent? They KNEW what was going on, and did nothing. They are accomplices in slavery, just as the rest of the Chantry is. It needs to be torn down, all the way.

[Grieving Natashina]

On topic: Um, no. Just no. I'll keep my thoughts about the Chantry to myself, except to say that there is enough martyrs.

Off topic: I did have this going through my head: "Great Andres Flaming Arse!"

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Adanu wrote...

Seriously, why are people still thinking the Chantry priests and that **** of a Grand Cleric are innocent? They KNEW what was going on, and did nothing. They are accomplices in slavery, just as the rest of the Chantry is. It needs to be torn down, all the way.

Nice blanket statement. While we're at it, let's get rid of all the citizens of every nation that has a Circle in it. I mean, they aren't trying to stop it and knew what was happening so they are accomplices too, right?

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 02 janvier 2014 - 04:18 .

[Ser Alicia]

Starsyn wrote...

On topic: Um, no. Just no. I'll keep my thoughts about the Chantry to myself, except to say that there is enough martyrs.

Off topic: I did have this going through my head: "Great Andres Flaming Arse!"

Oh, what about this: "Anders' Knickerweasels!"

(EDIT: Or maybe even: "Anders' Flaming Sword!" Except... Anders doesn't use a sword... erm...)

Modifié par TheBioticAssassin, 02 janvier 2014 - 04:07 .

[Adanu]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Adanu wrote...

Seriously, why are people still thinking the Chantry priests and that **** of a Grand Cleric are innocent? They KNEW what was going on, and did nothing. They are accomplices in slavery, just as the rest of the Chantry is. It needs to be torn down, all the way.

Nice blanket statement. While we're at it, let's get rid of all the citizens of every nation that has a Circle in it. I mean, they aren't trying to stop it and knew what was happening so they are accomplices too, right?

Logical Fallacy. Most citizens have no say, nor care in the Circle system. The Chantry actively maintained it.

Try again.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Adanu wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Adanu wrote...

Seriously, why are people still thinking the Chantry priests and that **** of a Grand Cleric are innocent? They KNEW what was going on, and did nothing. They are accomplices in slavery, just as the rest of the Chantry is. It needs to be torn down, all the way.

Nice blanket statement. While we're at it, let's get rid of all the citizens of every nation that has a Circle in it. I mean, they aren't trying to stop it and knew what was happening so they are accomplices too, right?

Logical Fallacy. Most citizens have no say, nor care in the Circle system. The Chantry actively maintained it.

Try again.

Most Chantry nuns have no say nor care in the Circle system. Just because the highest echelon did doesn't mean Bob the Chantry janitor is an accomplice simply because he works there or Sister Jane is an accomplice simply for following a faith. What would you have them do? Attack the men and women in full battle garb and armed with a sword?

[Veruin]

Adanu wrote...

Seriously, why are people still thinking the Chantry priests and that **** of a Grand Cleric are innocent? They KNEW what was going on, and did nothing. They are accomplices in slavery, just as the rest of the Chantry is. It needs to be torn down, all the way.

Maybe...just maybe...it's because they don't have any influence over what happens in the circles?  Maybe they're just priests who say some morning prayers and help maintain the chantry. <_<

But, no, you're probably right.  They were opressing the mages by saying morning prayers and helping orphans.

[Veruin]

Adanu wrote...

Anders did what was necessary, nothing more, nothing less.

The Chantry is an accomplice to mage slavery in the form of the circle, and deserves to be removed from Thedas. I'm amazed someone else didn't do it sooner.

I also laugh at people calling ANders a terrorist. It was never about terror for him, so why the hell are you people using that word? Oh wait, because you're a bunch of ignorant fools who use the latest poltical buzzwords as gospel.

I also laugh at the idiots who hail Anders as a hero.  Clearly, most of you are idiots who cannot see the bigger picture.  I can make blanket statements too.

The head writer has stated that the circle is not slavery.  The mages don't have to do jack **** other than get an education and help the country in times of war.  Which the common man isn't exempt from either.  So, the common man must be enslaved too.

So, what do you call a moron who does what he thinks is best for people without consulting them, then blows up a building of people?

"Mages don't need to be feared!"

"Blows up a building associated with a well liked group of people with blatantly obvious magical origins."

Freaking moron.

Modifié par Veruin, 02 janvier 2014 - 04:47 .

[Nefla]

Veruin wrote...

Adanu wrote...

Seriously, why are people still thinking the Chantry priests and that **** of a Grand Cleric are innocent? They KNEW what was going on, and did nothing. They are accomplices in slavery, just as the rest of the Chantry is. It needs to be torn down, all the way.

Maybe...just maybe...it's because they don't have any influence over what happens in the circles?  Maybe they're just priests who say some morning prayers and help maintain the chantry. <_<

But, no, you're probably right.  They were opressing the mages by saying morning prayers and helping orphans.

Exactly, and that's not even counting the random citizens who go there to pray or for mass, orphans being taken in, people in high town who are too close to the chantry, etc...Anders did not give a **** about those people or the law abiding circle mages who were blamed for his personal actions. 

Also if anyone believes Elthina could have freed the Kirkwall mages and not been immediately dismissed from her position then you're dreaming. She was a nice old lady who tried to make some crazy people get along and was murdered because he stood for compromise.

[Veruin]

Honestly, I would call bullsh- if anyone claims that no innocents were harmed. Even if you don't view the people in the chantry as innocent, there is no way that explosion only affected the chantry.

[CybAnt1]

If Anders becomes the central figure of a new faith, does that mean Ser Pounce-A-Lot becomes a lesser deity? :innocent:

Modifié par CybAnt1, 02 janvier 2014 - 04:54 .

[DRTJR]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Siradix wrote...

Anders wasn't following some kind of faith when he set up us the bomb.

But all their base belongs to Loghain.

what is mage, a miserable pile of magic!

But enough talk, have at you!

[Adanu]

Veruin wrote...

Adanu wrote...

Anders did what was necessary, nothing more, nothing less.

The Chantry is an accomplice to mage slavery in the form of the circle, and deserves to be removed from Thedas. I'm amazed someone else didn't do it sooner.

I also laugh at people calling ANders a terrorist. It was never about terror for him, so why the hell are you people using that word? Oh wait, because you're a bunch of ignorant fools who use the latest poltical buzzwords as gospel.

I also laugh at the idiots who hail Anders as a hero.  Clearly, most of you are idiots who cannot see the bigger picture.  I can make blanket statements too.

The head writer has stated that the circle is not slavery.  The mages don't have to do jack **** other than get an education and help the country in times of war.  Which the common man isn't exempt from either.  So, the common man must be enslaved too.

So, what do you call a moron who does what he thinks is best for people without consulting them, then blows up a building of people?

"Mages don't need to be feared!"

"Blows up a building associated with a well liked group of people with blatantly obvious magical origins."

Freaking moron.

Way to miss the point of what ANders did, but then, you represent the common intellect of forum goers here.

Also, David can call it not-slavery all he likes, he's wrong. The circle is a system of slavery just gilded slavery. Pretty slavery is still slavery, no matter how he tries to spin it.

[Nefla]

Adanu wrote...
Way to miss the point of what ANders did, but then, you represent the common intellect of forum goers here.

Also, David can call it not-slavery all he likes, he's wrong. The circle is a system of slavery just gilded slavery. Pretty slavery is still slavery, no matter how he tries to spin it.

Anders was an epic failure in his actions. The mood of the common man was becoming more and more sympathetic towards mages and their confinement (which is not the same as slavery btw, the dictionary is your friend). Underground Railroad type groups were being formed to help mages and help them escape, even Cullen admits most people see Templars as the enemy and the poor oppressed mages are becoming harder to ignore.

Kirkwall was on the path to positive change, if the mages had gone the extra mile and gotten the common man on their side or if Meredith had simply gone too far (rather than a few of her subordinates doing awful things in secret that the public never finds out) a natural next step would be people sheltering mages in their homes, refusing to send mage blooded children to the circle, thinking of the Templars as a danger not just to mages but to everyone especially as in their desperation they became more violent and extreme.

Anders doomed this future to non existence. He showed everyone that mages were NOT sympathetic, they were evil monsters who murdered innocent people and that the Templars were 100% right in locking them up. He proved to the common man that the Templars are the one  last line of protection from the monsterous mages. Selfish, short sighted idiot.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Adanu wrote...
I also laugh at people calling ANders a terrorist. It was never about terror for him, so why the hell are you people using that word? Oh wait, because you're a bunch of ignorant fools who use the latest poltical buzzwords as gospel.

Terrorism is the systematic use of violence (terror) as a means of coercion for political purposes. In the international community, terrorism has no legally binding, criminal law definition. Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror); are perpetrated for a religious, political, or ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians). Some definitions now include acts ofunlawful violence and war.

So by this definition, yes Anders is a terrorist because he used the style of warfare known as terrorism.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 02 janvier 2014 - 05:12 .

[DPSSOC]

Rassler wrote...
Lol even the names are similar. Anders did the exact opposite of what Andraste did but in the same way.

 
No he didn't.  Andraste rallied people of a like mind into armies through goodwill; Anders orchestrated an act of mass slaughter he had no intention of sticking around for.

Rassler wrote...
As a speculation, If mages win the war they will hail Anders as a hero and ditch Andraste, who needs her when there is Anders and fellow Anderstians. 

Considering he's already been largely forgotten/dismissed by the end of DA2 I'd say no probably not.

schalafi wrote...
Yet another "love to hate Anders" topic. Don't you people have anybody else to tear down? How about Logain, Rendon Howe, or KeeperZathrian all in DA:O, but still villians. Or if you're concentrating on DA:2, you've got the Arishock, or Meridith, or Ser Alric, or doddering old Reverend Mother, who couldn't make up her mind about anything.

 
You said it yourself those are villains, Anders was supposed to be on our side until he kicked off the final boss battle.  Dick move.

schalafi wrote...
I really wonder about the mentality of posters who start hate topics. Do they get their jollies by riling up other people? That's kinda sick, isn't it?

Probably and no that's human.  We all want people to react to us, we want to be recognized and acknowledged, riling people up is just the easiest way to do it.

Adanu wrote...
Anders did what was necessary, nothing more, nothing less.

No he didn't.  Violence is never necessary, it may be expedient, but not necessary.

Adanu wrote...
The Chantry is an accomplice to mage slavery in the form of the circle, and deserves to be removed from Thedas. I'm amazed someone else didn't do it sooner.

You've just declared every government that practices institutionalized incarceration of other people as accomplices to slavery, for the record that's most of them.

Adanu wrote...
I also laugh at people calling ANders a terrorist. It was never about terror for him, so why the hell are you people using that word? Oh wait, because you're a bunch of ignorant fools who use the latest poltical buzzwords as gospel.

It was entirely about the terror for Anders.  The bomb was intended to set of Meredith so she'd lash out at the Mages.  This would then put mages in fear (or terror) for their lives, and they lash back.  This spreads out as violence does with the other Circles cracking down harder on mages out of fear.  Mages respond.

Anders goal was always fear, the propagation of fear and violence until war was the only option, and again he had no intention of sticking around for it.

[HiroVoid]

Even if the mage/templar war needed to happen, Anders went about it the dumbest way possible by portraying mages to be the very monsters people fear them to be. His last act was ultimately an act of futile desperation; not a clever plan on how to free the mages and their future. All he wanted was a war and had no larger plan or future after that.