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[Lotion Soronarr]

KainD wrote...
After, the mages that are strong, smart , willing to fight, and willing to put the common morals aside, will survive.
And the weak ones and the ones that don't want to fight will die. 
Anders removed the chance of compromise and now the ones that weren't sure whether to fight or not will have to make a choice - fight or die. 

LOLno.

Especially on the last part. Mages dont' have a "fight or die" choice.
They can surrender. The temaplrs want to put them back in the Circles, not kill them.

vit246 wrote...

The majority of the public have already been afraid for centuries. Mages
are hopelessly demonized and the public is hopelessly indoctrinated by
the Chantry. Why bother? Sure it would be great to have, but you still
have to compete againstthe propaganda and religious dogma and then that
one bad apple from the tree which people will claim the whole the tree
is corrupted.

And for good reasons that go beyond propaganda and dogma. You like to think the populace is "indoctrinated" and the mages really aren't dangerous. But that is not the case.

And it was about delivering the message to all the other Circles that
the Templars do not care about innocence and guilt and will use any
excuse to justify an extermination.

Given that otehr Circles do not know what was going on, how would they know?
How would other Circles know anders was working alone? How would they even know anders exist? If hte Annulment suceeds, there won't be any mages from Kirkwall to spread the news.

[Magdalena11]

There's this broken record playing but no one is listening.

The mage/templar war will be one issue of many that the inquisitor has to deal with and I pretty much think everyone already knows where they'll be standing on it. Saying someone else is right or wrong is pointless since both sides have valid arguments and no one is going to change their mind because another poster said so. I'm really beginning to appreciate all the hairstyle threads. At least theiy're honest enough to say it's only the poster's opinion.

[Little Princess Peach]

lol at you Anders haters you made him a god XD

[Jaison1986]

Magdalena11 wrote...

There's this broken record playing but no one is listening.

The mage/templar war will be one issue of many that the inquisitor has to deal with and I pretty much think everyone already knows where they'll be standing on it. Saying someone else is right or wrong is pointless since both sides have valid arguments and no one is going to change their mind because another poster said so. I'm really beginning to appreciate all the hairstyle threads. At least theiy're honest enough to say it's only the poster's opinion.

+1

This argument is indeed pointless, especially since half of the arguments pretty much used only snarks and insults. Perhaps we should spare all this hate and disdain we have for the other faction to the actual game instead of each other?

[Statare]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

LOLno.

Especially on the last part. Mages dont' have a "fight or die" choice.
They can surrender. The temaplrs want to put them back in the Circles, not kill them.

Given that otehr Circles do not know what was going on, how would they know?
How would other Circles know anders was working alone? How would they even know anders exist? If hte Annulment suceeds, there won't be any mages from Kirkwall to spread the news.

Um. During DA2, they did have that choice. The Right of Annullment had been invoked, meaning the Templars had requested permission to kill ALL mages (men, women, and children) in the Gallows because they felt they were already beyond salvation, so they weren't looking for people to spare. Additionally, after the events of Asunder, the Templars have broken free from the Chantry with the goal of killing apostates (all mages because there are no more Circles), again there are no Circles to go back to that we know of. It's pretty clear at the end of the book what the Templars wanna do if they win (kill the mages first, then overthrow the Divine). So, the choice for a lot of mages is probably going to be 'fight or die'. It may even be up to our Inquisitor to change that.

Also, other circles do know what happened in Kirkwall. They are not that isolated. Word spread to them and Senior Enchanters are supposed to be kept up on events, so I am sure they would know. It also seems like they would know, considering the events from Kirkwall are signifigant to the start of the Mage-Templar War. After the event in Kirkwall many more mages start feeling they need to seperate from the Templars, which then ends with the events of Asunder and the start of the war. They know what happened, to say they wouldn't is a stretch. Read the wiki if you doubt me.

http://dragonage.wik...age-Templar_War

Modifié par Statare, 03 janvier 2014 - 03:54 .

[The Elder King]

@Statare: I disagree. I believe that Lambert's plan at the end of Asunder was to being mages back in the Circles, not killing every mages in the rebellion. Though he wouldn't have certainly mind if they all died from starvation.

Modifié par hhh89, 03 janvier 2014 - 04:08 .

[RepHope]

I see a lot of people didn't pay attention to the ending where Varric mentions that the CHAMPION'S name became a rallying cry for mages in the pro-Mage ending. Nobody cares about Anders. That's good because he was an emo, idiot, and willing to let all mages die if they wouldn't fight.

[Ianamus]

A lot of mages hate the fact that there is a war and never wanted to fight in the first place. Orsino himself hated Anders for bringing Meredith to annulling the circle. He's hardly got a good reputation, even among mages.

[Statare]

hhh89 wrote...

@Statare: I disagree. I believe that Lambert's plan at the end of Asunder was to being mages back in the Circles, not killing every mages in the rebellion. Though he wouldn't have certainly mind if they all died from starvation.

Possibly. He got a little zealous and he could have made different decisions in the moment. Even so, as you know, it is implied Lambert is gone by the time they reach mages. We don't know how the new leadership would react. I say this because it's been heavily hinted at by devs that there was a point of no return. It might be the Veil Tear making people panic and blame mages, or something sooner.

[The Elder King]

@Statare: Indeed, we don't know how the templars/Seekers would react to Lambert's demise. I actually think it could cause some frictions in the group, since Lambertwas really good at uniting all templars under one cause. We don't know if the next leader can do the same, and the fact that some templars became Red templars might be a sign of separation in the Order.

[grimkillah]

Don't be silly, everyone knows Sandal will be the New Andraste.

[Statare]

grimkillah wrote...

Don't be silly, everyone knows Sandal will be the New Andraste.

Again, the Maker does like the pretty, blonde types.

I feel dirty this time 

[UC SIM]

I would love to see that actually, not a complete redo of the andrastian faith but rather

IF Anders lives he disappears for a while, is racked with a guilty conscience. Over time he comes to the realisation that his actions were riotous. He emerges quickly finding followers in the turmoil of his actions, those mages which rebelled against the Templars. While not all follow him a large majority do; those that do not still hold a reverie for him. - This may lead to a confrontation between the Inquisitor and Anders, Anders could make a rather interesting antagonist.
He always had a rather broad view on things;
Understanding much of the world around him.
In Awakening he guiled his concerns with humour and quick wit;
In DA2 his joining to Justice had brought down that barrier and we were able to see his true concerns and the issues he had with the world.
In Inquisition his choices had for a while come to haunt and even taunt him, so he hid himself and contemplated his role to come in what he had done. Eventually finding support and creating a rather powerful cult in opposition to the templars. His success has inspired others to gather to him.

However IF he died; His actions are seen by many Mages as heroic and he soon becomes their martyr to their cause. Held as a simple of not only the power of mages but the difference that one mage can make when he sets his mind to something.
A new faction emerges in the mages, those that venerate Anders and strive to accomplish his cause, free the mages of the Templar shackles.


It seems a plausible direction to me.

[Dabrikishaw]

Magdalena11 wrote...

There's this broken record playing but no one is listening.

The mage/templar war will be one issue of many that the inquisitor has to deal with and I pretty much think everyone already knows where they'll be standing on it. Saying someone else is right or wrong is pointless since both sides have valid arguments and no one is going to change their mind because another poster said so. I'm really beginning to appreciate all the hairstyle threads. At least theiy're honest enough to say it's only the poster's opinion.

Best post.

[Demx]

HiroVoid wrote...

Even if the mage/templar war needed to happen, Anders went about it the dumbest way possible by portraying mages to be the very monsters people fear them to be. His last act was ultimately an act of futile desperation; not a clever plan on how to free the mages and their future. All he wanted was a war and had no larger plan or future after that.

Yeah it was probably a stupid way to get people to acknowledge your cause. If you side with the templars and keep Anders alive, he regrets his decision. Anders wanted the mages to rise up, but not to start a war.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Statare wrote...
Additionally, after the events of Asunder, the Templars have broken free from the Chantry with the goal of killing apostates (all mages because there are no more Circles), again there are no Circles to go back to that we know of. It's pretty clear at the end of the book what the Templars wanna do if they win (kill the mages first, then overthrow the Divine). So, the choice for a lot of mages is probably going to be 'fight or die'. It may even be up to our Inquisitor to change that.

Wrong.
And a bunch of lies.

Lamberts intentions are clear. He specificly proclamed his intent to "drag them back to the Circles".

Also, other circles do know what happened in Kirkwall. They are not that isolated. Word spread to them and Senior Enchanters are supposed to be kept up on events, so I am sure they would know.

Word did spread because some mages managed to escape. And the truth of the story cannot be confirmed by anyone really. That is the entire point.
Anders cannot prove to anyone he was workign alone.

[Hellion Rex]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Statare wrote...
Additionally, after the events of Asunder, the Templars have broken free from the Chantry with the goal of killing apostates (all mages because there are no more Circles), again there are no Circles to go back to that we know of. It's pretty clear at the end of the book what the Templars wanna do if they win (kill the mages first, then overthrow the Divine). So, the choice for a lot of mages is probably going to be 'fight or die'. It may even be up to our Inquisitor to change that.

Wrong.
And a bunch of lies.

Lamberts intentions are clear. He specificly proclamed his intent to "drag them back to the Circles".

Lambert is currently MIA. We have no clue who is running the show for the Templars that left the Chantry, or what their current goals are. And it's obvious that at least one group broke away to form the Reds. Although I do agree that I don't think any of the Templars wish to overthrow the Divine.

[Fetunche]

I hope Anders unique talents are required to close the fade tears and those that killed him in DA2 are doomed to fail.

Modifié par Fetunche, 03 janvier 2014 - 11:09 .

[Statare]

eluvianix wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Statare wrote...
Additionally, after the events of Asunder, the Templars have broken free from the Chantry with the goal of killing apostates (all mages because there are no more Circles), again there are no Circles to go back to that we know of. It's pretty clear at the end of the book what the Templars wanna do if they win (kill the mages first, then overthrow the Divine). So, the choice for a lot of mages is probably going to be 'fight or die'. It may even be up to our Inquisitor to change that.

Wrong.
And a bunch of lies.

Lamberts intentions are clear. He specificly proclamed his intent to "drag them back to the Circles".

Lambert is currently MIA. We have no clue who is running the show for the Templars that left the Chantry, or what their current goals are. And it's obvious that at least one group broke away to form the Reds. Although I do agree that I don't think any of the Templars wish to overthrow the Divine.

The Lord Seeker wanted to replace Divine Justinia V after the mage problem was solved. You can interpret that as you will, but that is a type of coup.

[The Elder King]

Fetunche wrote...

I hope Anders unique talents are required to close the fade tears and those that killed him in DA2 are doomed to fail.

It's obviously not going to happen.

[rasloveszev]

TheBioticAssassin wrote...

All hail Anders!! All hail Anders!!

 I love you....<3<3<3<3<3

[rasloveszev]

hhh89 wrote...

Fetunche wrote...

I hope Anders unique talents are required to close the fade tears and those that killed him in DA2 are doomed to fail.

It's obviously not going to happen.

As much as I love Anders, I have to agree. Now I wonder if the Old God Baby will end up being such,

[Nynaeve1981]

Angrywolves wrote...

nonsense.Anders is dead in my playthroughs.

He's dead in most players playthroughs most likely.

So it's not possible.Are you trolling ?

Anders may be dead but Justice is not. So it is possible. We know Justice can take over a dead body.

[Grieving Natashina]

Magdalena11 wrote...

There's this broken record playing but no one is listening.

The mage/templar war will be one issue of many that the inquisitor has to deal with and I pretty much think everyone already knows where they'll be standing on it. Saying someone else is right or wrong is pointless since both sides have valid arguments and no one is going to change their mind because another poster said so. I'm really beginning to appreciate all the hairstyle threads. At least theiy're honest enough to say it's only the poster's opinion.

100% correct. 

[TK514]

Anders, Leader of the Church of 'Whine and Blame Others for Your Actions'.