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[Reigned]

AlanC9 wrote...

Reigned wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Reigned wrote..
2. IF your EMS is low and your Galatic Readiness is crap, 

So if you don't play MP, you lose? Really?

Not entirely just MP, the most important part just being the EMS being significant you know and the GR playing a very small portion.

You do know that EMS already is changed by readiness, right? Why not just say you lose  if your EMS is below, say, 3100, or whatever you're shooting for?

Yes this I do know, I just know the higher GR, the more complete your EMS will be when the math is done.

[AlanC9]

So why are you mentioning GR at all if you know it's already included in EMS?

[Reigned]

AlanC9 wrote...

So why are you mentioning GR at all if you know it's already included in EMS?

Just covering all bases I guess.

[SwobyJ]

Reigned wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Reigned wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Did Bioware actually say 'ME4' will have NOTHING to do with Shepard?

Maybe they did, but I'm just wondering here.

AFAIK, they only really said:
1)It (as in its story) will not relate (key word there) to Shepard
2)Shepard's story is over
3)We will not be playing Shepard

That kinda stuff. All of which I'm honestly totally cool with, at least in itself.

So am I, I just thought it was a cool theory of most of the plot holes at the end. I knew Shepard wasn't going to last through the series finale. I just think that would be a cool way to sum up everything at the end IMO.

Unless we do Breath Theory (or whatever it was of people actually thinking Breath Destroy ending's scene was of Shepard DYING), Shepard actually can last through the series finale.

However, it doesn't mean he'll keep being ShepardAsWeKnowHim. He depended on those implants to live, didn't he?

Many people looked at that 'Breath' as he still being alive, I more or less, seen it as his last personally. I couldn't imagine them somehow keeping Shepard alive or bringing him back from death again.

It was an inward breath (the type that happens when waking up, not letting out the last of your life) and having Shepard die alone in rubble, period (as in nothing else happening), would not just make the trilogy ending bad, but would be outright disgusting treatment of its main character.

And I didn't say Shepard would still be alive later on or that they'd be bringing him back from death. There's a very particular thing I think MIGHT happen, and it would be (like Control and Synthesis) still fulfill the transhumanistic tone that Bioware, to me, seems to be attempting.

[Reigned]

SwobyJ wrote...

Reigned wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Reigned wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Did Bioware actually say 'ME4' will have NOTHING to do with Shepard?

Maybe they did, but I'm just wondering here.

AFAIK, they only really said:
1)It (as in its story) will not relate (key word there) to Shepard
2)Shepard's story is over
3)We will not be playing Shepard

That kinda stuff. All of which I'm honestly totally cool with, at least in itself.

So am I, I just thought it was a cool theory of most of the plot holes at the end. I knew Shepard wasn't going to last through the series finale. I just think that would be a cool way to sum up everything at the end IMO.

Unless we do Breath Theory (or whatever it was of people actually thinking Breath Destroy ending's scene was of Shepard DYING), Shepard actually can last through the series finale.

However, it doesn't mean he'll keep being ShepardAsWeKnowHim. He depended on those implants to live, didn't he?

Many people looked at that 'Breath' as he still being alive, I more or less, seen it as his last personally. I couldn't imagine them somehow keeping Shepard alive or bringing him back from death again.

It was an inward breath (the type that happens when waking up, not letting out the last of your life) and having Shepard die alone in rubble, period (as in nothing else happening), would not just make the trilogy ending bad, but would be outright disgusting treatment of its main character.

And I didn't say Shepard would still be alive later on or that they'd be bringing him back from death. There's a very particular thing I think MIGHT happen, and it would be (like Control and Synthesis) still fulfill the transhumanistic tone that Bioware, to me, seems to be attempting.

I see what you're getting at, just was something cool I thought about with all the other theories running around.

[SwobyJ]

AlanC9 wrote...

Reigned wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Reigned wrote..
2. IF your EMS is low and your Galatic Readiness is crap, 

So if you don't play MP, you lose? Really?

Not entirely just MP, the most important part just being the EMS being significant you know and the GR playing a very small portion.

You do know that EMS already is changed by readiness, right? Why not just say you lose  if your EMS is below, say, 3100, or whatever you're shooting for?

And why'd you figure Bio would kill Shepard? If the next game isn't about him it doesn't matter if he's dead or not, does it?

Bioware already killed Shepard.

What we had in ME2-3 was, at least from some philosophical viewpoints, a walking corpse.

-Died (but people can just come back from that, right? Even with current tech?)
-BRAINdead (ok, currently we define that as true death)
-Brain was mush
-Body was mush
-All mental processes ended and the vessel of those thoughts destroyed and then reconstructed somehow

Bioware can do whatever they want with Shepard. Have him transfer into a Reaper. Have him become purely data. Have him come back but with such damage that he doesn't even think of himself as Shepard anymore, because scientifically he may not be. Have mental fragments enter another's mind so that we play as that other character but we have a similar 'spark' to make people follow us like Shepard had.
Anything. The way Bioware did this in ME3, the potential story paths go EVERYWHERE, and do not necessarily have to actually be about any 'Shepard' but instead something quite new that still recalls the events of before.

This is the company that killed their protagonist in the first minutes of their middle game of a trilogy. Then brought him back with 'science'!


Ugh nevermind , Shepard either died in rubble or became a Reaper or spread his 'essence' to everyone. <_<

[SwobyJ]

Don't worry Reigned, I'm not preaching or even truly refuting anything. We really have to see this year what information Bioware has for us on the next game.

[Reigned]

SwobyJ wrote...

Don't worry Reigned, I'm not preaching or even truly refuting anything. We really have to see this year what information Bioware has for us on the next game.

Oh I feel you, im truly anticipating the next release, whatever it may be, im sure it will be an epic and im sure whatever direction it goes in, will be a very interesting one. I appreciate the feedback though, just wanted to get this idea off my chest, see how others would take to it.

[biowaregeek]

SwobyJ wrote...

Reigned wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Reigned wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Did Bioware actually say 'ME4' will have NOTHING to do with Shepard?

Maybe they did, but I'm just wondering here.

AFAIK, they only really said:
1)It (as in its story) will not relate (key word there) to Shepard
2)Shepard's story is over
3)We will not be playing Shepard

That kinda stuff. All of which I'm honestly totally cool with, at least in itself.

So am I, I just thought it was a cool theory of most of the plot holes at the end. I knew Shepard wasn't going to last through the series finale. I just think that would be a cool way to sum up everything at the end IMO.

Unless we do Breath Theory (or whatever it was of people actually thinking Breath Destroy ending's scene was of Shepard DYING), Shepard actually can last through the series finale.

However, it doesn't mean he'll keep being ShepardAsWeKnowHim. He depended on those implants to live, didn't he?

Many people looked at that 'Breath' as he still being alive, I more or less, seen it as his last personally. I couldn't imagine them somehow keeping Shepard alive or bringing him back from death again.

It was an inward breath (the type that happens when waking up, not letting out the last of your life) and having Shepard die alone in rubble, period (as in nothing else happening), would not just make the trilogy ending bad, but would be outright disgusting treatment of its main character.

And I didn't say Shepard would still be alive later on or that they'd be bringing him back from death. There's a very particular thing I think MIGHT happen, and it would be (like Control and Synthesis) still fulfill the transhumanistic tone that Bioware, to me, seems to be attempting.

i agree that it was an inward breath shepard's body wasn't moving he was knocked out and then he woke up if he was dying
he would have taken his last breath first and then there would have no movement from his body not the other way around.

[SwobyJ]

Oh Shepard's probably dying and for all we know he's functionally braindead.

But his body is alive. There's that! There is hope!

Heck, there is even some genetic memory and brain matter to work with again! LOL Yay!

Modifié par SwobyJ, 02 janvier 2014 - 10:19 .

[Ajensis]

Reigned wrote...
Knowing how Bioware loves to take variables to decide the next games events, this is my theory, ME4's intro is going to be one of two things:

1. IF your EMS is high or maxed out and your Galatic Readiness is positive (...)

2. IF your EMS is low and your Galatic Readiness is crap (...)

What about new players or people who have lost their savegames/switched to a new platform? Default bad start? Would Bioware even bother with #1 if the majority will likely not be importing a savefile from ME3?

I doubt your scenario will come true. Not only because of its likeness to the Indoctrination Theory (which I don't dislike per se, just don't see it happening at all), but because I very much expect ME4 to not include an import function at all. They will definitely want to start fresh and not get caught up in all the variables that they built up throughout the trilogy. Instead, if it's going to be a sequel, I assume they'd rather do something akin to the Dragon Age Keep to account for e.g. the ending choice in ME3.

[SwobyJ]

I kinda sorta expect Dragon Age Keep to be the beta testing for Mass Effect ___, haha.

[MattFini]

It's an interesting possibility.

It also makes me chuckle that almost two years later, fans are still struggling to comprehend that mess of an ending.

[Reigned]

MattFini wrote...

It's an interesting possibility.

It also makes me chuckle that almost two years later, fans are still struggling to comprehend that mess of an ending.

There's a lot of interesting interpretations out there and this one I thought. Was just as interesing.


It is truly a mess of an ending though, especially that so much speculation can be done with it.

[Farangbaa]

Or the ending is just what you see.

That you don't like what you see is no reason for it not to be true.

[outlaw1109]

Psychevore wrote...

Or the ending is just what you see.

That you don't like what you see is no reason for it not to be true .

LOL, I typed my post, refreshed the page and found a simpler way of getting my point across.

I don't think it's speculation.  It's wishful thinking.  I'm not saying that it was a good ending, but it was an ending.
TBH, if you played Dragon Age Origins, you could have figured the entire game out before ME3 was even released.  As soon as they started mentioning(pre-release) "building an army" I rolled my eyes.  Which is exactly why I've always taken the ME3 ending at face value. 
But, much the same as the Origins fans wanted the "Hero of Ferelden" to come back, ME fans cling to Shepard...
Just a thought:  ME4 will probably be about the kid in the post-credits scene. (the one being told Shepard's story) and be an MMO or something equally repugnant.

Modifié par outlaw1109, 02 janvier 2014 - 02:31 .

[outlaw1109]

double post.  appologies

Modifié par outlaw1109, 02 janvier 2014 - 02:30 .

[SwobyJ]

Psychevore wrote...

Or the ending is just what you see.

That you don't like what you see is no reason for it not to be true.

BRB gonna jump into a green exposed beam and my essence will be spread throughout the whole galaxy causing weird green lines on everyone and even plants and chairs and EDI smiles so it's OK