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[Master Warder Z_]

MasterScribe wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

uh no.Morrigan and Flemeth are not responsible for the veil tear.

According to anything the Dev Team, Storyboard writers, or Gaider stated?

Or is it just another one of your opinions?

Did you REALLY think the developers would tell us that ?

Everything we say here is an opinion unless it's the developers talking.That of course includes just another one of your opinions.

Are you just trolling now? 

Because as far as i am concerned requesting a source for blanket statements isn't exactly asking alot.

Nah, he's not trolling. That's just Angrywolves. 

Ah.

Well that does explain a bit, considering i have been wondering that for a moment or so.

[Angrywolves]

Of course I am not trolling.
It's naive to think the developers would tell us who made the veil tears.
sheesh.
Don't care what you think of me Z.

Couldn't care less.Players don't like my opinions.Doesn't bother me in the slightest.They can say thats just Angrywolves and act like they're better than me if they want to.
No one can make such a claim and make it stick.
We're all just guessing and that includes you as well as anybody else.

As it is some players want to kill Morrigan AND Flemeth so  they WANT them to be responsible for the veil tears.They think they need an excuse to kill them.

bah.

They won't need any excuses.

Modifié par Angrywolves, 04 janvier 2014 - 02:17 .

[Master Warder Z_]

Angrywolves wrote...

Of course I am not trolling.
It's naive to think the developers would tell us who made the veil tears.
sheesh.
Don't care what you think of me Z.
We're all just guessing and that includes you as well as anybody else.

As it is some players want to kill Morrigan AND Flemeth so  they WANT them to be responsible for the veil tears.They think they need an excuse to kill them.

bah.

They won't need any excuses.

I never said i was doing anything more then speculating, but i however never dismissed any others speculation based upon personal opinion; that was the line you crossed not i.

Why would you care what some random entity on an internet forum thought of you to begin with? If you had such fragile skin i would indeed be concerned but moving right along to my point.

I really didn't an excuse to kill Flemeth or attempt to end Morrigan in Orgins, I merely did it because i could.

If the choice is presented again it likely will be taken again.

After all those that seek to impose their will upon mankind from behind the scenes tend to not have the best aims in their hearts, regardless of intent or goal. Its just better to kill them and let the dice fall where they will.

[Orian Tabris]

The Dragon Age writing team did.

And now, for the serious answer:

I have no idea, except that it was NOT Morrigan's doing. The Dalish/ancient elves entered eluvians frequently. Maybe the fact that there were darkspawn or shadows in it, but Morrigan had to have "cured" it before going in. The Warden could have been bretheren to Tamlen, who became infected by the taint, yet could also have joined Morrigan in that very same eluvian with no problems.

I doubt Flemeth did it. Flemeth is not afraid of Morrigan, and she isn't bothered (i.e. cares not about -->) by the outside world, except those who aren't trying to kill her.

Maybe it was made by the rift (no pun intended) between thousands, if not millions, of templars and mages fighting?

Maybe Meredith's use of the Red Lyrium caused it to start tearing slowly?

Or some guy who wants to destroy the world and/or become supreme overlord/overlady...

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

What I think (Speculation)

My guess is that Flemeth is somehow responsible for the corruption of the black city (Unintentionally, tricked). And that Flemeth is trying to restore balance. Flemeth (Which may be an old god or not) is playing her card by tricking the antagonist of DA:I and the source of the black city corruption - to make the first move. Flemeth wants a war to happen between the fade and the world so the antagonist is either distracted or weakened for her to make her countermove. The Inquisitor will ofcourse have an important role, and Flemeth will yet again grant you aid.

I believe Flemeth to be "The tragic hero/antihero" She might do it for selfish reasons, or revenge - but none the less she will do what is good (from an utilitarian moral philosophy perspective). 

I dont want to guess on who the antagonist is. But my bet is... the Antagonist is a very powerful fade creature, maybe even the source of the black city corruption. And Flemeth was unwillingly at fault for letting it happen, Flemeth is trying to set things right. And to set things right, a war with the fade (or by the fade if you will) is neccessary for Flemeth to execute her plan. 

Sandal is being watched by Flemeth. It could be that whatever power Sandal has, is something Flemeth needs to counter the antagonist. 

...

What I want to be the case (May include ridicolous speculation and amateur lore errors)

1) The black city was NEVER golden. It was always black.
2) The GOLDEN part was an ILLUSION and TRICK by its ruler
3) The black city was always more of a PRISON rather than city
4) The black city is home to Malachor (Suggested name, yes Im a KOTOR fan)
5) Malachor is the strongest, smartest and most cunning of all demons. He is the embodiment of pride.
6) Malachor tricked Dumah to open the prison and Dumah is tainted
7) The magisters arrival in the black city was possible due to Dumah being tricked into opening the seal, and their arrival was  thus partly COINCIDENTAL
8) Dumah is slain but his soul enters a child of a little girl
9) The girl with Dumah's soul becomes Flemeth
10) Flemeth seeks to redeem her error and gain revenge on Malachor
11) Malachor manipulates Andraste, In Andraste's pride - she believes Malachor to be the maker
12) Malachor's downfall will be ironic, because his own death will eventually be caused by his own pride
13) The veil tear + Inquisition will open the possibility for Flemeth (Reborn Dumah) to make her vengance and set things right, restoring balance to the world by destroying the source of the taint, Malachor. 
14) There is no maker. The fade and the magic in the world is not theological, but NATURAL and thus NEUTRAL.

[Orian Tabris]

MasterScribe wrote...

The writers are calling the culprit an "agent of chaos."

And who is the master of this agent of chaos? The Maker? Flemeth?

Or is that just BioWare being trollingly (a new word is born) obscure as always?

[Afro_Explosion]

MasterScribe wrote...

The writers are calling the culprit an "agent of chaos."

 The Joker?

[Orian Tabris]

mx_keep13 wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

The writers are calling the culprit an "agent of chaos."

 The Joker?

No, David Gaider. Unless he is the Joker...

Oh, you meant the agent of chaos being the Joker! Nah, the Joker doesn't exist in the Dragon Age universe. You're thinking of Batman.

[Afro_Explosion]

Orian Tabris wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

The writers are calling the culprit an "agent of chaos."

 The Joker?

No, David Gaider. Unless he is the Joker...

Oh, you meant the agent of chaos being the Joker! Nah, the Joker doesn't exist in the Dragon Age universe. You're thinking of Batman.

You can't have Batman without Joker, the "Jester"  would fit right in.

[Orian Tabris]

MasterScribe wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

The writers are calling the culprit an "agent of chaos."

And who is the master of this agent of chaos? The Maker? Flemeth?

Or is that just BioWare being trollingly (a new word is born) obscure as always?

I'm assuming this person has no master. Chaos entails a lack of order, a lack of authority.

The agent of chaos being intent on causing chaos, means that they have a goal, which in itself, defies the concept of being chaotic. An agent of chaos is a contradict unto itself.

BioWare is obviously just saying that the culprit is a bad person, thus, they are really just being obscure in their information. And if this "agent of chaos" is actually part of something, then they aren't part of a cult which dedicates itself to chaos, rather, they are part of something that intends to create chaos among Thedosians.

[WidePaul]

Too little red matter, and cheese.

[Nightdragon8]

I bet it's someone that is not in any book or source material

[Orian Tabris]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

I bet it's someone that is not in any book or source material

I reckon it's someone from the Dragon Age universe, whether new or old. =)

[Clocks4]

Rotward wrote...

Obviously it was sandal.

Obviously.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

It's obvious who made it lol..

Bioware...

[ames4u]

The Butterfly. No-one ever suspects the Butterfly!




I like the idea that it may be the ancient elves who went wandering in the fade looking for revenge.
But that probably wont happen.

Modifié par ames4u, 04 janvier 2014 - 04:07 .

[ames4u]

Orian Tabris wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

The writers are calling the culprit an "agent of chaos."

 The Joker?

No, David Gaider. Unless he is the Joker...

Oh, you meant the agent of chaos being the Joker! Nah, the Joker doesn't exist in the Dragon Age universe. You're thinking of Batman.

Could be referring to The Trickster God of the Dalish.

[Hellion Rex]

MasterScribe wrote...

It could be referring to Zazikel, the Dragon of Chaos.

Wait, Zazikel got axed already though, right? Unless...OGB Zazikel? O_O

[Hellion Rex]

TipsLeFedora wrote...

That was totally my fault guys sorry.

Dammit, Tipsy!