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[JoltDealer]

There are many unknowns about the Fade, so why do we assume that somebody in Thedas was the one who opened the tear?

[IllusiveManJr]

The Maker, when he released flatulence.

[Medhia Nox]

Aliens..

[Spectre slayer]

Crimson Sound wrote...

There are many unknowns about the Fade, so why do we assume that somebody in Thedas was the one who opened the tear?

No ones making assumptions, we know that the antagonist is most likely someone from Thedas and is the one who created the veil tear and planned it out well before hand so that they would have no opposition. 

But in tearing the veil and their plans, the failure to contain the mage vs templar conflict, breaking of the nevearan accord and us surviving and witnessing the tear created their opposition after a bunch of unknown events.

Here's a couple of images 





They also say in their gamescom dev dairy that the villan created the tear.



And it's supposed to a human story and that there's no gods going around smiting everyone, whoever they are is completely unknown and it will remain that way because our goals are.

Finding out who they are, what was it for, why did it succeed, and getting to the bottom of all their schemes and stopping them by any means necessary and sealing the tears

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 19 janvier 2014 - 11:22 .

[acid_rain82]

Tevinter magisters.

[philippe willaume]

well a pride demon wanted to bake a flamekuche to close to a point when the veil was thin.
and when he started to peel strong onions................

[Barrendall]

It's all hypothesis at this point but it wouldn't surprise me if the Tevinter's were involved again in some powerplay and they dropped the proverbially "Nuclear Bomb". Again it's all hypothesis at this point.

[myahele]

That blonde elf girl that can control dragons in dawn of the seeker. There's also the fact that she drank the blood of a dragon (or was is a drake) making her already powerful. She was also being mind controlled.

She also appeared in a prequal, so the events that happened with her and Cassandra are a lot more "canon" than many of these spinoff novels and comics

But seriously, I am more curious about those statues in the fade

[DIrishB]

 If history is any indicator, Hulk Hogan did it:

[thenemesis1]

I bet it's Anders..that would be funny.

[Jean]

The Inquisitor's evil twin.

In seriousness, no idea. Doubt it is either Flemeth or Morrigan, but I'm sure at least one of them has an idea of who did.

Modifié par Batteries, 07 janvier 2014 - 07:05 .

[Last seeker]

Those original Magisters or someone who's corrupted the golden city.?

[jkd1975]

I am conflicted on this as I know that the Bioware guys like to build on what has come before and plant hints in the stories. But to me at this point I just can't get a solid feel for any of the characters we've met so far being the antagonist of DAI. I rule out Morrigan and Flemeth because I feel like they will definitely play a part in the story but I think they are each engaged in long game, I don't see it coming to a head in DAI. Just my opinion of course. So to me, at this point I'd say the DAI antagonist I feel like will be a new character. But... but if it is existing as I said in a thread I started I'd think maybe Corypheus, Feynriel or Merrill.

[TeamLexana]

It was Chuck Norris. Oh damn, we're all screwed now.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Its Lord Sheogorath people ! Come on, its not that hard to see it...

Though he is an Agent of Madness and Agent of Cheese instead of Agent of Chaos

[HunterX6]

Angrywolves wrote...

yakaman91 wrote...

 Do we have any idea on where the Fade tear may occur?  I speculate that it would be in or around the Vinmark mountains near Kirkwall.  My reasons include:

• The tear shown in the teaser looks like a dry, desert environment, similar to Cory's prision
• The area around Kirkwall is said to be very thinnly veiled
• Kirkwall itself may be an architectural mechanism for affecting the fade

Since this is where I think it might occur, then my natural conclusion is that it is Corypheus and his subverted Grey Warden minions.  Not saying I am correct, but in my mind this is what I conclude based on existing information.

Probably an Old God(not OGB).

Corypheus and the other anceint mages might be helping him though.B)

Just...No. Next.

[Rotward]

Crimson Sound wrote...

There are many unknowns about the Fade, so why do we assume that somebody in Thedas was the one who opened the tear?

We only know people in Thedas. What are we going to guess, nameless sloth demon #4116? 

[General TSAR]

What usually makes Fade tears? Constant war and Blood Magic.

[Grieving Natashina]

General TSAR wrote...

What usually makes Fade tears? Constant war and Blood Magic.

That makes for a thin Veil and it may lead to tearing.  However, the Veil Tears I saw didn't remind me of any thin Veil area I've seen in game, including the orphanage in the Denerium Elven alienage.  It doesn't remind me of the Broken Circle quests either.  The only time we've really seen a Veil Tear in the series before this was in Blackmarsh, In Awakenings, it took demons actively using those fade pedestals in order to keep those tears open.  Killing the demons and using the pedestals was the only way to repair them.  There was also some giant Tevinter runestone patterns lying around there too.

Also, you have "fun" crap like this floating around:

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Mask_of_Fen'Harel

The Mask of Fen'Harel is an elven artifact capable of tearing into The Fade

That item is destroyed now, but I'm betting there is more artifacts like that mask in Thedas.

I had two guesses as to who is the cause:

1) One of the original Darkspawn like Corypheus.  A Tevinter magister would most likely know how to open/rip into the Veil.
2) A Greater Pride Demon, which is very rare and is stated to be a very big problem if one shows up on Thedas.

Modifié par Starsyn, 20 janvier 2014 - 11:07 .

[Iron Fist]

Starsyn wrote...

2) A Greater Pride Demon, which is very rare and is stated to be a very big problem if one shows up on Thedas.

Is there anything in the lore about those? I don't think they exist.

[Hellion Rex]

Starsyn wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

What usually makes Fade tears? Constant war and Blood Magic.

That makes for a thin Veil and it may lead to tearing.  However, the Veil Tears I saw didn't remind me of any thin Veil area I've seen in game, including the orphanage in the Denerium Elven alienage.  It doesn't remind me of the Broken Circle quests either.  The only time we've really seen a Veil Tear in the series before this was in Blackmarsh, In Awakenings, it took demons actively using those fade pedestals in order to keep those tears open.  Killing the demons and using the pedestals was the only way to repair them.  There was also some giant Tenvinter runestone patterns lying around there too.

Also, you have "fun" crap like this floating around:

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Mask_of_Fen'Harel

I agree about the Mask. But in the Broken Circle, Uldred did indeed use blood magic and did get himself accidentally possessed. As for the Blackmarsh, the Baroness used blood magic to rip the Veil and trap the souls of the villagers in the Fade.

[Hellion Rex]

MevenSelas wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

2) A Greater Pride Demon, which is very rare and is stated to be a very big problem if one shows up on Thedas.

Is there anything in the lore about those? I don't think they exist.

"Strongest of all demons are those of pride.
These are the most feared creatures to loose upon the world: Masters of
magic and in possession of vast intellect, they are the true schemers.
It is they who seek most strongly to possess mages, and will bring other
demons across the Veil in numbers to achieve their own ends—although
what that might be has never been discovered. A greater pride demon,
brought across the veil, would threaten the entire world."

-- Codex Entry: Demonic Possession

[Iron Fist]

eluvianix wrote...

MevenSelas wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

2) A Greater Pride Demon, which is very rare and is stated to be a very big problem if one shows up on Thedas.

Is there anything in the lore about those? I don't think they exist.

"Strongest of all demons are those of pride.
These are the most feared creatures to loose upon the world: Masters of
magic and in possession of vast intellect, they are the true schemers.
It is they who seek most strongly to possess mages, and will bring other
demons across the Veil in numbers to achieve their own ends—although
what that might be has never been discovered. A greater pride demon,
brought across the veil, would threaten the entire world."

-- Codex Entry: Demonic Possession

Oh, thanks. I was looking at the pride demon page itself.

I guess that could be the cause of the Veil tear then.

Modifié par MevenSelas, 20 janvier 2014 - 11:13 .

[Grieving Natashina]

eluvianix wrote...

I agree about the Mask. But in the Broken Circle, Uldred did indeed use blood magic and did get himself accidentally possessed. As for the Blackmarsh, the Baroness used blood magic to rip the Veil and trap the souls of the villagers in the Fade.

I know he used Blood Mage to get himself possessed, but the Veil didn't look torn to be at the Tower.  Just weak and thin, but not like Blackmarsh or like a good chunk of Thedas is as of Inquisition.  I also just played Awakening last week, so I know what the Baroness did.  Still, if you play the questline, you had to kill four desire demons that were working with these pedestals that were keeping them open.

I think it's much the same here.  I think that Bad Guy Bob (or Barb) will rip open the Veil, but will need some devices like those fade pedestals and some cronies to keep things open.  The Baroness is also why I mentioned a Greater Pride Demon on my list of suspects.  I think there's someone something like the Baroness, only much more powerful, that's causing this.

Modifié par Starsyn, 20 janvier 2014 - 11:16 .

[Hellion Rex]

Starsyn wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

I agree about the Mask. But in the Broken Circle, Uldred did indeed use blood magic and did get himself accidentally possessed. As for the Blackmarsh, the Baroness used blood magic to rip the Veil and trap the souls of the villagers in the Fade.

I know he used Blood Mage to get himself possessed, but the Veil didn't look torn to be at the Tower.  Just weak and thin, but not like Blackmarsh or like a good chunk of Thedas is as of Inquisition.  I also just played Awakening last week, so I know what the Baroness did.  Still, if you play the questline, you had to kill four desire demons that were working with these pedestals that were keeping them open.

I think it's much the same here.  I think that Bad Guy Bob (or Barb) will rip open the Veil, but will need some devices like those fade pedestals and some cronies to keep things open.  The Baroness is also why I mentioned a Greater Pride Demon on my list of suspects.  Someone like the Baroness, only much more powerful.

Ok, I see what you're getting at now. In Asunder, we encounter two instances of torn Veils. One within Pharamond's keep, and also at the end in the White Spire. Rhys mentions saying that the Veil both times had been torn badly. However there wasn't any other real physical manifestation, other than a smell I believe, and Rhys seeing some spirits amidst all the magic during Asunder's end. T
In Uldred's case, I guarantee that the Veil was shot to hell in the Circle Tower. It explains why so many demons were able to cross over in that one area, as well as possess and enthrall so many people. Plus Uldred became a Pride Demon, so if the Veil wasn't torn at the onset, a Pride demon could surely do it soon after.