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I like returning characters. Sometimes I miss them, so I enjoy their presence within the company. It's also interesting to see if they've developed or not (which was what happened throughout the ME trilogy to a certain extent.)

But yeah, more NEW over old. And if they are to return, it would be nice to see them come back like Wrex did or even Morrigan.

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I personally don't get why ppl keep saying that "it makes the world feel small" heck in rl i know ppl from Romania, Germany, US, and UK does that mean its a small world just because i know ppl no it does not it just give it a sense of familiarity and there is nothing wrong with that


Do you bump into your friends from Romania, Germany, US and the UK every time you step out your door though?


No, but if i ever want to go to those places again im gonna call 'em up and hang out, also it has been mentioned that we will be revisiting some places like Fereldan and such so yea I think it makes sense that we would see some familiar faces,  and some of the returning cast does make sense in one way or another weather ppl like it or not like Cassandra with the seekers, Varric  with his carta connections, and maybe Cullen being a templar/ red templar (altho I doubt he will be a companion  I think he will be an Npc again), Leliana being the right or left hand of the Divine and Morrigan.. maybe with the mirror or ties to Flemeth again. Also there is not THAT may that are returning most of our party is gonna be new characters so I dont understand what the fuss is about we will have the beardy GW, Sera, Elf mage dude, Viv, Trident guy and maybe Cole


And where did you meet all these friends? Did you meet them all in your home country where most of them had roots? And then had them all suddenly moved independantly to the same city in an entirely new country. Or did you meet them online? Internet, phones, fast transportation, none of that exists in Thedas. If I live in Alaska and my cousin moves from Alaska to Germany, them meeting like 20 people that *I* knew very well, people from Alaska but who all randomly moved to the same city in Germany it would be insane and unbelieveable and that's WITH modern methods of communication and transportation. It makes absolutely NO sense in a medieval level setting.

If you like cameos that's your perogative but don't try to portray it as believable in most cases. Even the excuses they made for the cameos in DA2 being there were water thin or non existant.

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Nefla wrote...

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I personally don't get why ppl keep saying that "it makes the world feel small" heck in rl i know ppl from Romania, Germany, US, and UK does that mean its a small world just because i know ppl no it does not it just give it a sense of familiarity and there is nothing wrong with that


Do you bump into your friends from Romania, Germany, US and the UK every time you step out your door though?


No, but if i ever want to go to those places again im gonna call 'em up and hang out, also it has been mentioned that we will be revisiting some places like Fereldan and such so yea I think it makes sense that we would see some familiar faces,  and some of the returning cast does make sense in one way or another weather ppl like it or not like Cassandra with the seekers, Varric  with his carta connections, and maybe Cullen being a templar/ red templar (altho I doubt he will be a companion  I think he will be an Npc again), Leliana being the right or left hand of the Divine and Morrigan.. maybe with the mirror or ties to Flemeth again. Also there is not THAT may that are returning most of our party is gonna be new characters so I dont understand what the fuss is about we will have the beardy GW, Sera, Elf mage dude, Viv, Trident guy and maybe Cole


And where did you meet all these friends? Did you meet them all in your home country where most of them had roots? And then had them all suddenly moved independantly to the same city in an entirely new country. Or did you meet them online? Internet, phones, fast transportation, none of that exists in Thedas. If I live in Alaska and my cousin moves from Alaska to Germany, them meeting like 20 people that *I* knew very well, people from Alaska but who all randomly moved to the same city in Germany it would be insane and unbelieveable and that's WITH modern methods of communication and transportation. It makes absolutely NO sense in a medieval level setting.

If you like cameos that's your perogative but don't try to portray it as believable in most cases. Even the excuses they made for the cameos in DA2 being there were water thin or non existant.


You must be joking right? Ppl move all the time with families  or sometimes with friends or whatever, how many immigrants are there in the US? Also just because its in the medieval times doesnt mean ppl cant travel, now yes, it is true, they didnt had planes or phones or cars but they did have boats and horses it may have taken them days even months to travel to another city/country but ppl still moved around a lot.  It was mentioned in DA2 that most ppl fled the country because of the blight, also that happend all the time in  rl medieval times whenever there were wars


Also in regards as to where I met my frends I've met them  while my husband was in the military and we were stationed in those places for several years

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ag99 wrote...

Nefla wrote...

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I personally don't get why ppl keep saying that "it makes the world feel small" heck in rl i know ppl from Romania, Germany, US, and UK does that mean its a small world just because i know ppl no it does not it just give it a sense of familiarity and there is nothing wrong with that


Do you bump into your friends from Romania, Germany, US and the UK every time you step out your door though?


No, but if i ever want to go to those places again im gonna call 'em up and hang out, also it has been mentioned that we will be revisiting some places like Fereldan and such so yea I think it makes sense that we would see some familiar faces,  and some of the returning cast does make sense in one way or another weather ppl like it or not like Cassandra with the seekers, Varric  with his carta connections, and maybe Cullen being a templar/ red templar (altho I doubt he will be a companion  I think he will be an Npc again), Leliana being the right or left hand of the Divine and Morrigan.. maybe with the mirror or ties to Flemeth again. Also there is not THAT may that are returning most of our party is gonna be new characters so I dont understand what the fuss is about we will have the beardy GW, Sera, Elf mage dude, Viv, Trident guy and maybe Cole


And where did you meet all these friends? Did you meet them all in your home country where most of them had roots? And then had them all suddenly moved independantly to the same city in an entirely new country. Or did you meet them online? Internet, phones, fast transportation, none of that exists in Thedas. If I live in Alaska and my cousin moves from Alaska to Germany, them meeting like 20 people that *I* knew very well, people from Alaska but who all randomly moved to the same city in Germany it would be insane and unbelieveable and that's WITH modern methods of communication and transportation. It makes absolutely NO sense in a medieval level setting.

If you like cameos that's your perogative but don't try to portray it as believable in most cases. Even the excuses they made for the cameos in DA2 being there were water thin or non existant.


You must be joking right? Ppl move all the time with families  or sometimes with friends or whatever, how many immigrants are there in the US? Also just because its in the medieval times doesnt mean ppl cant travel, now yes, it is true, they didnt had planes or phones or cars but they did have boats and horses it may have taken them days even months to travel to another city/country but ppl still moved around a lot.  It was mentioned in DA2 that most ppl fled the country because of the blight, also that happend all the time in  rl medieval times whenever there were wars


Also in regards as to where I met my frends I've met them  while my husband was in the military and we were stationed in those places for several years


Yeah people move, but not in high numbers and independant of each other. If I move to Vladivostok in Russia and then meet a person and their roommate who moved there together and my mom back home knew them then it's surprising but believable. If I move to Vladivostok and the guy next door to me went to school with my mom, the couple down the street are her best friends, the guy I buy my groceries from is the guy that she bought her groceries from back home, the mailman was her next door neighbor, etc...for like 20 people and they all moved there within 1-3 years then it would not be believable at all. This does not "happen all the time" even with modern ease. I don't know if your reading comprehension is low or if you just like to argue but this scenario MAKES NO SENSE.

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Yeah people move, but not in high numbers and independant of each other. If I move to Vladivostok in Russia and then meet a person and their roommate who moved there together and my mom back home knew them then it's surprising but believable. If I move to Vladivostok and the guy next door to me went to school with my mom, the couple down the street are her best friends, the guy I buy my groceries from is the guy that she bought her groceries from back home, the mailman was her next door neighbor, etc...for like 20 people and they all moved there within 1-3 years then it would not be believable at all. This does not "happen all the time" even with modern ease. I don't know if your reading comprehension is low or if you just like to argue but this scenario MAKES NO SENSE.


K, 1st off just because it doesn't make sense to  *you* that doesnt mean that never happen.
2nd I want to talk mediaval-ish time ONLY forget about modern times. I'm just gonne give a few examples of some historical events that had a large amout of ppl move from one country and/ or continent to another,

1 Barbarian invasions was a period of intensified human migration in Europe from about 400 to 800 AD
This period was marked by profound changes both within the Roman Empire and beyond its barbarian frontier. The migrants who came first were Germanic tribes

2 would be the migration to middle east with the cruciades, during the
12th and 13th centuries thousands of people moved from Europe
to the Middle East to fight, undertake pilgrimage, or settle and make a
new life.

3 would be the Irish migration to Great Britan, there has been a
continuous movement of people between the islands of  Ireland and Great
Britan due to their proximity. Ireland was a feudal Lordsip
of the kings of England  between 1171 and 1541. A Kingdom in personal
union with the kingdom of England and kingdom of Great Britain between
1542 and 1801. And politically united with Great Britain as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland between 1801 and 1922

4 Christopher Columbus ofc everyone knows that story, America is, after all, a nation founded and built by immigrants from all over the world, just saying

And this is just to name a few that has occurred  throughout history, also chances were of meeting 20 ppl u already knew wasnt so uncommon as you may think. So please, dont say its unrealistic or it doesnt make sense because it does make perfect sense ESPECIALLY in that period of time

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Nefla wrote...

ag99 wrote...

Nefla wrote...

ag99 wrote...

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ag99 wrote...

I personally don't get why ppl keep saying that "it makes the world feel small" heck in rl i know ppl from Romania, Germany, US, and UK does that mean its a small world just because i know ppl no it does not it just give it a sense of familiarity and there is nothing wrong with that


Do you bump into your friends from Romania, Germany, US and the UK every time you step out your door though?


No, but if i ever want to go to those places again im gonna call 'em up and hang out, also it has been mentioned that we will be revisiting some places like Fereldan and such so yea I think it makes sense that we would see some familiar faces,  and some of the returning cast does make sense in one way or another weather ppl like it or not like Cassandra with the seekers, Varric  with his carta connections, and maybe Cullen being a templar/ red templar (altho I doubt he will be a companion  I think he will be an Npc again), Leliana being the right or left hand of the Divine and Morrigan.. maybe with the mirror or ties to Flemeth again. Also there is not THAT may that are returning most of our party is gonna be new characters so I dont understand what the fuss is about we will have the beardy GW, Sera, Elf mage dude, Viv, Trident guy and maybe Cole


And where did you meet all these friends? Did you meet them all in your home country where most of them had roots? And then had them all suddenly moved independantly to the same city in an entirely new country. Or did you meet them online? Internet, phones, fast transportation, none of that exists in Thedas. If I live in Alaska and my cousin moves from Alaska to Germany, them meeting like 20 people that *I* knew very well, people from Alaska but who all randomly moved to the same city in Germany it would be insane and unbelieveable and that's WITH modern methods of communication and transportation. It makes absolutely NO sense in a medieval level setting.

If you like cameos that's your perogative but don't try to portray it as believable in most cases. Even the excuses they made for the cameos in DA2 being there were water thin or non existant.


You must be joking right? Ppl move all the time with families  or sometimes with friends or whatever, how many immigrants are there in the US? Also just because its in the medieval times doesnt mean ppl cant travel, now yes, it is true, they didnt had planes or phones or cars but they did have boats and horses it may have taken them days even months to travel to another city/country but ppl still moved around a lot.  It was mentioned in DA2 that most ppl fled the country because of the blight, also that happend all the time in  rl medieval times whenever there were wars


Also in regards as to where I met my frends I've met them  while my husband was in the military and we were stationed in those places for several years


Yeah people move, but not in high numbers and independant of each other. If I move to Vladivostok in Russia and then meet a person and their roommate who moved there together and my mom back home knew them then it's surprising but believable. If I move to Vladivostok and the guy next door to me went to school with my mom, the couple down the street are her best friends, the guy I buy my groceries from is the guy that she bought her groceries from back home, the mailman was her next door neighbor, etc...for like 20 people and they all moved there within 1-3 years then it would not be believable at all. This does not "happen all the time" even with modern ease. I don't know if your reading comprehension is low or if you just like to argue but this scenario MAKES NO SENSE.


About a little over a half dozen showed up, how is that a lot in a world with possibly millions? I mean if Jim the boy scout from Denerim showed up sure, but these people are royals, merchants, adventurers, politicians or said people's families in Delilah's situation. They if anyone are the most likely to show up, especially during a ten year (really seven) year ordeal.

Not to mention that the Free Marches AND especially Kirkwall are considered the melting pot of Thedas, meaning that if we were ever going to see old faces, whether our pc knows them or not it's going to happen there.

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It depends on context.

 If we as the inquisitor have to deal with warden commanders and we the warden commander of Ferelden and it's now Nathaniel Howe I think it makes sense. If we run into a *generic* Ferelden warden and it's Velanna, Sigrun, Oghren or Nathaniel, that would make me do a "really Bioware? there are only so many wardens still in Ferelden?" and would give off the "that's a small world" feel.

Basically...how "important" said character is to the main storyline and to the world in general and your character's relation to said world politico. If we were random treasure hunters then of course running into the King of Ferelden would seem strange but then again, has Bioware going back to the Infinity Engine games EVER had a protagonist that was JUST a treasure hunter.

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Cassandra was not part of our group in DA2 she was just beating the verbal stuffing out of varicks chest hair, so shes not really a cameo but a full time npc

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People are acting like DA2 was filled with DA:O characters! It's okay to have 5 cameos or more, maybe the character travels and coincidentally runs into the Inquisitor or is sent to find him/her. Thedas is big but doesn't mean you won't see some familiar faces. Also, I'm pretty sure DA:I will be filled with new faces so chill people.

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I really wouldn't consider that most of the cast. About half of the DA2 cast are characters from DAO. If Bioware can keep it under that, then I'll be happy. 


Fun fact: A single member of the DA ][ cast is a member of the DA:O cast!

Merrill!

And, you might note, that Merrill was only in the Dalish Elf Origin.

You might be thinking of Anders, who was actually in DA: Awakening. An expansion pack. And it's worth noting that his interactions in that expansion are fairly limited.

So...I'm not sure how you feel it was a problem in DA ][. But I do agree that DA: I should have mostly new members--and see no reason to doubt them.

This is more of an ME "problem," not that I'd call it much of a problem since we were playing one character.

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I really wouldn't consider that most of the cast. About half of the DA2 cast are characters from DAO. If Bioware can keep it under that, then I'll be happy. 


Fun fact: A single member of the DA ][ cast is a member of the DA:O cast!

Merrill!

And, you might note, that Merrill was only in the Dalish Elf Origin.

You might be thinking of Anders, who was actually in DA: Awakening. An expansion pack. And it's worth noting that his interactions in that expansion are fairly limited.

So...I'm not sure how you feel it was a problem in DA ][. But I do agree that DA: I should have mostly new members--and see no reason to doubt them.

This is more of an ME "problem," not that I'd call it much of a problem since we were playing one character.


You forgot about Isabella too. It is also less of a problem in ME because the main camp area is the same ship throughout the series. So it makes sense to have some overlap there. Also, they completely changed Anders, so that is also an issue.

There is Isabella, Merrill, Anders, Aveline, Fenris, Sibling and Varric. That is about half of the DA2 companions that are obscure DAO characters. Aveline and Varric are two of my favorite characters, mainly because they do not seem to be overly dependant on Hawke, and they aren't as much of a walking stereotype as the others. Couple that with Merrill not being a complete spaztoid in the origin story and Isabela getting the boob job of the year and you can see why I'm a little worried. 

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The Mad Hanar wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I really wouldn't consider that most of the cast. About half of the DA2 cast are characters from DAO. If Bioware can keep it under that, then I'll be happy. 


Fun fact: A single member of the DA ][ cast is a member of the DA:O cast!

Merrill!

And, you might note, that Merrill was only in the Dalish Elf Origin.

You might be thinking of Anders, who was actually in DA: Awakening. An expansion pack. And it's worth noting that his interactions in that expansion are fairly limited.

So...I'm not sure how you feel it was a problem in DA ][. But I do agree that DA: I should have mostly new members--and see no reason to doubt them.

This is more of an ME "problem," not that I'd call it much of a problem since we were playing one character.


You forgot about Isabella too. It is also less of a problem in ME because the main camp area is the same ship throughout the series. So it makes sense to have some overlap there. Also, they completely changed Anders, so that is also an issue.

There is Isabella, Merrill, Anders, Aveline, Fenris, Sibling and Varric. That is about half of the DA2 companions that are obscure DAO characters. Aveline and Varric are two of my favorite characters, mainly because they do not seem to be overly dependant on Hawke, and they aren't as much of a walking stereotype as the others. Couple that with Merrill not being a complete spaztoid in the origin story and Isabela getting the boob job of the year and you can see why I'm a little worried. 


We should take into account some extenuating factors.

Merrill and Isabela were both minor characters in DAO, who likely weren't planned as companions in DA2 until after DAO was released, except maybe as archetypes with no names. They didn't have much personality in DAO to begin with, so the writers likely had to start from scratch.

Now, it's anyone's guess why they felt the need to expand upon obscure characters. The game was rushed, though.

Interesting side fact: originally, Velanna was planned to be the returning Awakening companion instead of Anders. It is very likely that she would have taken Merrill's place had that happened. Clearly, the writers wanted some continuity between DAA and DA2.

Anyway, there's also the fact that DA2 is a frame narrative being told by Varric to Cassandra, whose own perception of these events is likely affecting its on-screen portrayal. Cassandra has never met either Merrill or Isabela, so she probably didn't know exactly how sane Merrill was in Ferelden or the size of Isabela's bust. :D

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I like your optimism, man. I hope they do a good job with their returning characters. It would be a shame if they didn't, in my eyes.

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I like your optimism, man. I hope they do a good job with their returning characters. It would be a shame if they didn't, in my eyes.


It's not really optimism.

I just didn't think that DA2 Isabela and Merrill were offensive cariatures of their former selves like some do.

They were forgettable minor characters in DAO, so changing them in DA2 made no difference to me.

I don't mind some returning characters (like Morrigan, and Cassandra obviously), but I hope they create as many new characters as possible.

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I really don't see how someone can say that Isabela is changed from DAO in term of personality. What we knew about her in DAO was that she is an excellent duelist, a pirateria and that she's promiscuos. Those traits weren't changed in DA2.

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I like your optimism, man. I hope they do a good job with their returning characters. It would be a shame if they didn't, in my eyes.


It's not really optimism.

I just didn't think that DA2 Isabela and Merrill were offensive cariatures of their former selves like some do.

They were forgettable minor characters in DAO, so changing them in DA2 made no difference to me.

I don't mind some returning characters (like Morrigan, and Cassandra obviously), but I hope they create as many new characters as possible.


Yeah, all I'm really saying is that I think it would be easier for them to create characters for the next game if they are new.  That way players won't sit there and say "Why is ___ different?" Honestly, the only people I feel changed dramatically is Anders and Merrill. Isabela just got a major overhaul in her looks.

Cassandra is pretty much a blank slate, her new look excluded.

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Yeah, all I'm really saying is that I think it would be easier for them to create characters for the next game if they are new.  That way players won't sit there and say "Why is ___ different?"


Yeah, I agree. The writers should also try to shy away from their usual archetypes more often.

Cassandra is pretty much a blank slate, her new look excluded.


Pretty much.

Honestly, my interest in Cassandra (as exemplified by my sig) stems mainly from my hope that she will be an interesting character (among other things :wub:).

I liked her in DOTS (which is set at least 18 years before DAI, so she's basically a different person at this point) and her brief scenes in DA2 (which totaled mere minutes of screen time, so she wasn't developed fully).

She might as well be a new character.

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I have no issue with there primarily being new characters for a new game and a new adventure but that said i wouldn't mind seeing old faces.

<_< *cough cough Loghain cough*

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Rehashing characters just shows bad writing and makes the world seem smaller and less real. I liked it when they brought back Oghren in Awakening, but any more than one returning character seems too much. No thanks...

That being said, I didn't even play an hour of Dragon Age 2 so both Cassandra and the beardless dwarf will be new to me.

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I actually thought Isabella was spot on in DA2 despite being redesigned and recast. In fact I thought she was the only one of the three returning companions that were.

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I think a balance is best.

I personally don't count returning characters who only had cameos as returning characters.

To me, having Varric as a companion again is a returning character. Cassandra, though, we don't know that well. I felt the same with Merrill; sure, she was in Origins, but BARELY (and only in one of the origins at that).

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I agree with this 100%. I hope to god the rest of our companions are brand new characters.


Hear, hear!! 
We need a new bunch of groupies to fawn or hate on. Not recurring peons!
I don't mind Varric as much as I found him charming and the only character out of
DA2 I didn't want to brutalise just to stop the unneeded drama-but he does break the
standing tradition of one awesome new dwarf companion per game. I might get lucky
and they will reveal a second dwarven companion.

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Yesh..... Vivienne...described as an iron lady with a lisp and a chapeau a al Maleficent??? Guess I won't be using her as a companion or LI!!!.
Starting to get some very bad feelings that I actually will not like DAI....:sick:

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Merril was next to invisible with almost nothing memorable about her, and I'm not sure I would have remembered meeting Isabella if not for a certain off-screen event that she triggered...


Isabela's primary role in DA:O was to unlock the duelist spec.  That other off-screen event was one of the ways you could convince her to teach it.

As for the rest...

Although I don't care much about cameos, I don't have any issues with the way they were done in DA2, for a couple of primary reasons:

1) I have IRL bumped into people in some very unexpected circumstances.  For example, a family from my very small hometown at a tourist location several states away, and various other people at airport hubs, shopping malls, and the like - usually in other cities.

2) A lot of Fereldans (and non-Fereldans who happened to be there at the time) went to Kirkwall to flee the civil war / blight.  I think it would have been strange to not encounter any of them.

I also felt that, for the most part, they had valid reasons for being there.  Delilah Howe?  Probably followed Nathaniel on his mission for the GWs.

In any case, I'm not concerned about which characters will be present in DA:I.  Providing interesting, varied NPCs and companions is one of the things at which BioWare excels.