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[Tonymac]

Works great on host. Off host, not so much.

I also never tried so many times to dodge a Phantom like that. Nice show you put on.

[-PenguinFetish-]

b00g13man wrote...

Could've sworn this was common knowledge...

[planehazza]

350 hours and I did not know this!

[R0gueSp3ctre18]

Didn't realize it produced such a consistant stagger. May have to play around with that a little more...

Thanks Caineghis.

[Koenig888]

Tokenusername wrote...

All objects in motion possess force.

Ummm ..... not really.  All objects in motion possess momentum.  They only possess force if there is acceleration.

[Caineghis2500]

blackproject18 wrote...

Didn't realize it produced such a consistant stagger.

Apparently it's common knowledge around here according to a certain person. Most people know of it's stagger sure but a "consistent" stagger is a different case..

[Shampoohorn]

Koenig888 wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

All objects in motion possess force.

Ummm ..... not really.  All objects in motion possess momentum.  They only possess force if there is acceleration.

Not really. Force is applied to an object to generate accelleration. An object in motion can transfer its momentum to a static object... as force. Asari dodge does that, but also generates some additional force biotically. You know, space magic.

[Agent_mi6]

Nothing new, if you are constant Asari player.

[AGCeyx]

Thanks for the info, did not know this and I play Asari a lot! Apperantly I am a one of the few unenlightend.

[OniGanon]

Unless I missed Asari Dodge Mechanics Awareness Week while I've been away, I'm inclined to think those claiming this is common knowledge are full of crap or have a very strange idea on the definition of 'common.'

I mean... I knew about it... but still...

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

caineghis2500 wrote...

blackproject18 wrote...

Didn't realize it produced such a consistant stagger.

Apparently it's common knowledge around here according to a certain person. Most people know of it's stagger sure but a "consistent" stagger is a different case..

Lol. You still don't understand what it means, huh? It was in bold dude. Seriously.

[LiL Reapur]

LOL thanks caineghis

[megawug]

Nice one! The MP team really did do a crazy job with all the little details. Off-host timing vs. phantoms is a bit tricky though.

Modifié par megawug, 02 janvier 2014 - 04:21 .

[Shampoohorn]

OniGanon wrote...

Unless I missed Asari Dodge Mechanics Awareness Week while I've been away, I'm inclined to think those claiming this is common knowledge are full of crap or have a very strange idea on the definition of 'common.'

I mean... I knew about it... but still...

Yeah, I'd agree with that.  It's been mentioned, but more as a novelty than part of an actual strategy.  Not that Cain is necessarily doing that here, but he's provided more details than anyone else ever has. 

Within the context of 'melee' damage, it would be interesting to see how an SG Omniblade on a melee build would affect the results.  More melee damage usually means greater force during attacks -- it might be lolworthy if you could ragdoll a phantom with a dodge.

Took a quick peak at the Numerical thread and didn't see any specifics on dodge testing.

[LuckyBullet95]

Cain once again playing the clueless discovery card for attention? Sigh... Come on man, originality isn't THAT hard to find...

[NuclearTech76]

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

Nice im sure new comers to the game will appreciate this. Asari backward dodge also staggers and is a mini melee. I actually never knew this.

I think all dodges are counted as melee? No idea if there are different varibles on this. 

I had observed this in game but I didn't know it was this consistent; who the hell dodges into phantoms for fun?

[NuclearTech76]

Shampoohorn wrote...

OniGanon wrote...

Unless I missed Asari Dodge Mechanics Awareness Week while I've been away, I'm inclined to think those claiming this is common knowledge are full of crap or have a very strange idea on the definition of 'common.'

I mean... I knew about it... but still...

Yeah, I'd agree with that.  It's been mentioned, but more as a novelty than part of an actual strategy.  Not that Cain is necessarily doing that here, but he's provided more details than anyone else ever has. 

Within the context of 'melee' damage, it would be interesting to see how an SG Omniblade on a melee build would affect the results.  More melee damage usually means greater force during attacks -- it might be lolworthy if you could ragdoll a phantom with a dodge.

Took a quick peak at the Numerical thread and didn't see any specifics on dodge testing.

Heavy blade plus Bat Gauntlet dodge all the things match?

[Koenig888]

Shampoohorn wrote...

Koenig888 wrote...

Tokenusername wrote...

All objects in motion possess force.

Ummm ..... not really.  All objects in motion possess momentum.  They only possess force if there is acceleration.

Not really. Force is applied to an object to generate accelleration. An object in motion can transfer its momentum to a static object... as force. Asari dodge does that, but also generates some additional force biotically. You know, space magic.

There is force when the static object is accelerated to whatever velocity it acquires through the transfer of momentum.  After it reaches a certain velocity, it will continue at that velocity.  There is no further acceleration and hence no further force.  Or if you prefer, force = mass X acceleration.  Acceleration zero, force zero.  Or space magic.

[Shampoohorn]

@Koenig888:  Your being overly didactic and narrow in defining "Force" that way.  Forest vs trees, etc.  While you think about that, please push down firmly on your desk with your hand.  Is there force?  Is there acceleration?


@NucTech:

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Zerfidius was taken down by an Atlas

Modifié par Shampoohorn, 02 janvier 2014 - 05:32 .

[NuclearTech76]

Shampoohorn wrote...

@Koenig888:  Your being overly didactic and narrow in define "Force" that way.  Forest vs trees, etc.  While you think about that, please push down firmly on your desk with your hand.  Is there force?  Is there acceleration?


@NucTech:

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Zerfidius [Melee] Centurion

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Zerfidius [Melee] Dragoon

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Zerfidius was taken down by an Atlas

I'll try a melee decked out Valkyrie with all dodge on Bronze maybe. Should be interesting to see if there is increased damage with the melee modifying gear and blade.

[didacuscarr]

I just wanted to add something, but then I thought nah, it's common forehead knowledge.

[Shampoohorn]

NuclearTech76 wrote...
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I'll try a melee decked out Valkyrie with all dodge on Bronze maybe. Should be interesting to see if there is increased damage with the melee modifying gear and blade.

Four asari swishing their way through a wave would be quite funny.  If you do the bronze/valkyrie match, please post the video.

[NuclearTech76]

Shampoohorn wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...
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I'll try a melee decked out Valkyrie with all dodge on Bronze maybe. Should be interesting to see if there is increased damage with the melee modifying gear and blade.

Four asari swishing their way through a wave would be quite funny.  If you do the bronze/valkyrie match, please post the video.

AF might eat the kills IDK especially if you have four specced for debuff?

[DisturbedPsic0]

b00g13man wrote...

Could've sworn this was common knowledge...

Unless you're trolling, I hate to see what you consider not to be common knowledge. There are plenty of people who don't know piercing doesn't work on some guns, the weight glitch, what the power absorption bubble is and how it's triggered, etc.  The large majority of the players dont' come to the forums, and even those don't read all the posts that explain these tiny nuaces.  I've played this game since launch, and have been pretty active on the forums for at least a year and this is new to me.

[Shampoohorn]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Shampoohorn wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...
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I'll try a melee decked out Valkyrie with all dodge on Bronze maybe. Should be interesting to see if there is increased damage with the melee modifying gear and blade.

Four asari swishing their way through a wave would be quite funny.  If you do the bronze/valkyrie match, please post the video.

AF might eat the kills IDK especially if you have four specced for debuff?

Yeah, very likely. Minimum AF damage is about 140/sec.  Skip AF for that match, or it might be better to take the Justicar with a dubuffing bubble or the Huntress for the 130% damage boost.