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[Ailith Tycane]

Zkyire wrote...

Ailith430 wrote...

As David Gaider said in another thread about this:

"Let us all hang our heads in melancholic comisseration for those who must endure the presence of insufficiently feminine women. They are the unsung heroes among us."

Bioware were the ones who made Cassandra pretty to begin with.

They don't get to turn around and then complain when some fans want her to retain that appearance.

Sure they do, it's a douchy complaint to have, and one that seems to ONLY affect the female characters in their games. Go figure Bioware would make a female character that doesn't exist solely to be eye candy. Also I think she still looks hot, so the argument against Cassandra and Morrigans new appearance really just boils down to "stop liking what I don't like!"

Modifié par Ailith430, 03 janvier 2014 - 11:52 .

[Angrywolves]

uh no it isn't improper to have that complaint.It's an entirely legitimate complaint.

You may not like the eye candy concept in the real woirld, but this is a video game played by many people who may have different views than yours.You're not the only potential DAI player.

[Ailith Tycane]

Angrywolves wrote...

...but this is a video game played by many people who may have different views than yours.You're not the only potential DAI player.

I wonder how you could take this same logic and maybe apply it to yourself? lol

[Angrywolves]

I do

I didn't like your response.Said it and I would say it again..
If you like the faces that's fine.But don't tell others they shouldn't complain.

[Ailith Tycane]

Angrywolves wrote...

I do

I didn't like your response.Said it and I would say it again..
If you like the faces that's fine.But don't tell others they shouldn't complain.

Others shouldn't complain.

The designs are done, it is what it is now, that's how they look. Complaining that certain female characters are ugly or too masculine is a stupid and potentially sexist thing to say, which David Gaider pointed out in that past quote much more eloquently than me.

I'm just tired of seeing this topic constantly brought up because it has no point other than over priviledged ****ing about characters who are way more interesting than just how they look. 

[Ailith Tycane]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

It's amusing that naysayers think that men should be ashamed of liking attractive female models more than slightly less attractive female models.

It's amusing that men think what they find attractive should matter at all.

[The Elder King]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

It's amusing that naysayers think that men should be ashamed of liking attractive female models more than slightly less attractive female models.

I think that most of the people you called 'naysayers' don't believe she's less attractive than she was in DA2.

[Ailith Tycane]

The Mad Hanar wrote...
You speak of personality as if we already know Cassnadra's.

We already know Morrigans personality and people are still saying they think her new design is ugly.

[Angrywolves]

Ailith430 wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

I do

I didn't like your response.Said it and I would say it again..
If you like the faces that's fine.But don't tell others they shouldn't complain.

Others shouldn't complain.

The designs are done, it is what it is now, that's how they look. Complaining that certain female characters are ugly or too masculine is a stupid and potentially sexist thing to say, which David Gaider pointed out in that past quote much more eloquently than me.

I'm just tired of seeing this topic constantly brought up because it has no point other than over priviledged ****ing about characters who are way more interesting than just how they look. 

As far as I am aware this is only the second thread about this topic.
There are lots of other topics that regularly appear.
So it's not constantly being brought up.You just have some personal agenda you're putting over into the forum over this issue.

shrugs.

I am not happy about a couple of faces but I had posted a message asking the op TO MOVE ON, that it's a lost cause.
So it's over.
If someone finds a way to mod the game someday, we can revisit the issue at Nexus. Otherwise it would be wise to just let it drop.

[werewoof]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

tiktac wrote...


there's disappointed and then there's having a hissy fit because the girls aren't all feminine and perfect enough. if someones like "i liked ___ old design better" then sure, but when it's all "she's not hot anymore!!!! she looks like a man!!!! ewwww!!! make her perfect and pretty again just for me!!!!" i think that's a little different than just being disappointed in a design change. 

Well, isn't a person's looks subjective? I mean, if a person thinks a character looks like a man, then isn't that legit criticism of the character design?

not really because there is nothing inherently bad about a woman with a broad jawline? critcism of a design would be like, this character's color scheme makes no sense and their outfit doesn't flow well, not "boo shes too UGLY for me to fantasize about" or "waaahhh but i dont like women who arent feminine" 

[werewoof]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

tiktac wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

tiktac wrote...


there's disappointed and then there's having a hissy fit because the girls aren't all feminine and perfect enough. if someones like "i liked ___ old design better" then sure, but when it's all "she's not hot anymore!!!! she looks like a man!!!! ewwww!!! make her perfect and pretty again just for me!!!!" i think that's a little different than just being disappointed in a design change. 

Well, isn't a person's looks subjective? I mean, if a person thinks a character looks like a man, then isn't that legit criticism of the character design?

not really because there is nothing inherently bad about a woman with a broad jawline? critcism of a design would be like, this character's color scheme makes no sense and their outfit doesn't flow well, not "boo shes too UGLY for me to fantasize about" or "waaahhh but i dont like women who arent feminine" 

So you are saying that the features that you find unattractive are more valid than theirs?

now you just aren't making sense

Modifié par tiktac, 04 janvier 2014 - 12:17 .

[Ailith Tycane]

Another David Gaider quote from another post about this:

"DarthLaxian wrote...
And - do me a favour will you? - don't tell me: The new engine can't handly their looks or something like that (i play a lot of BF4 and that engine can do good looking faces (even on the non-descript player characters from Multi-Player!!!))"


Ah, you discovered it. We actually did prettier versions of Cassandra and Morrigan, and the new engine spat them back out and said, "What do you think you are? BF4?" Goddamn capricious game engines, man.

I actually took this to Matt Goldman, our Art Director, and said, "New engine aside, couldn't you at least have made Cassandra and Morrigan look exactly like they did before? They were universally pretty back then. Everyone on our forums thought so, even from the first screenshots. And now..."

And he wept, man. He wept.

Tsk. Crunch is hard on artists."

[werewoof]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

tiktac wrote...


now you just aren't making sense

You said that complaining about a character's clothes or personality are valid criticisms, but you also said that judging a character by their attractiveness is not valid. Is this correct?

color scheme, outfit, silhouette, shapes, etc = all artistic design properties, they have nothing to do with whether or not the character is attractive to someone, because they're more about art design and stylization than they are about the character's hotness level according to dudes on bsn

whether or not some gamer dudebros think the character is bangable enough = gamer dudebros thinking their taste in women should dictate a characters appearance 

you can judge the character by attractiveness all you want, i can't stop you, but don't demand that bioware change the design into a "hotter" one because you just can't stand it if the character isn't sexy and feminine enough for you. (using the general 'you', since i haven't seen you flat out do that but several have)  

even the people who aren't really demanding bioware to change it are still making a huge stink about it. 

Modifié par tiktac, 04 janvier 2014 - 12:19 .

[werewoof]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

So you don't think a character's attractiveness is a part of their design? And you don't think people are entitled to complain about an aspect of the design that they don't like?

It seems like you just want people to agree with your outlook more than anything.

are you being this obtuse on purpose? 

not every female character has to be tailored to yalls teenage gamer boy fantasies, tough break. attractiveness can arguably be a part of a design but it isn't inherently required which a lot of you seem to have trouble comprehending considering the massive fuss that turns up every time a female character that isn't hot enough for you turns up. the sheer amount of "sexy ____" mods make that abundantly clear. 

i can't stop yall from feeling that way or complaining about it but i can tell you that i think it's a load of crap.

Modifié par tiktac, 04 janvier 2014 - 12:25 .

[Ailith Tycane]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

So you don't think a character's attractiveness is a part of their design? And you don't think people are entitled to complain about an aspect of the design that they don't like?

It seems like you just want people to agree with your outlook more than anything.

I think the problem is the complaints all come from men towards female characters.

It's an entitlement issue. The forum dudes think their opinion on what the women in their games look like should even matter a tiny bit, and the lack of self awareness is both depressing and hilarious.

[werewoof]

Ailith430 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

So you don't think a character's attractiveness is a part of their design? And you don't think people are entitled to complain about an aspect of the design that they don't like?

It seems like you just want people to agree with your outlook more than anything.

I think the problem is the complaints all come from men towards female characters.

It's an entitlement issue. The forum dudes think their opinion on what the women in their games look like should even matter a tiny bit, and the lack of self awareness is both depressing and hilarious.

this is important too. the vast majority of these complains are from dudes who got their undies in a bunch because not every single female character in the game was designed to cater to their fantasies which usually involve them having a rather narrow set of traits. which is to say they all want hot skinny white 20something feminine models with pouty lips and a flawless bust.

ah i remember the outrage at aveline not being feminine or hot enough, she ain't even a romanceable character and some guys couldn't even handle a girl they found unattractive being on their screen at all.