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[McFlurry598]

ThisOnesUsername wrote...

McFlurry598 wrote...

 I think the fictional covenant race from the Halo universe would be an interesting war with the reapers. Not only the reapers, but the races of the MEU as well. Especially turians.

The Covenant would attempt to glass a Reaper capital ship.

and by glass you mean?

[Stalker]

McFlurry598 wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Halo's Flood.
They are basically like the Reapers in organic form and it would be a very interesting war of who consumes who... which the Flood will probably win.

The flood can only infect organics. So part of the reapers would be infected whilst the other half would be synthetic. Lore of Halo only has it that only when the victim is fully infected does the flood form take over. Flood+reapers would only make the reapers more powerful.

On many occassions the Flood has taken over giant space stations and covered whole ships in its' biomass in order to gain control. Cortana, the AI of the protagonist, was also being corrupted by them.
The Flood is very well capable of attacking machines and influencing AI.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 03 janvier 2014 - 03:26 .

[Rusty Sandusky]

McFlurry598 wrote...

ThisOnesUsername wrote...

McFlurry598 wrote...

 I think the fictional covenant race from the Halo universe would be an interesting war with the reapers. Not only the reapers, but the races of the MEU as well. Especially turians.

The Covenant would attempt to glass a Reaper capital ship.

and by glass you mean?

Plasma bombardment. 

[Stalker]

ThisOnesUsername wrote...

McFlurry598 wrote...

ThisOnesUsername wrote...

McFlurry598 wrote...

 I think the fictional covenant race from the Halo universe would be an interesting war with the reapers. Not only the reapers, but the races of the MEU as well. Especially turians.

The Covenant would attempt to glass a Reaper capital ship.

and by glass you mean?

Plasma bombardment. 

*halonerdsmartasscomment*

"Glassing" is actually the act of wiping planet surfaces clean through orbital bombardement. The term doesn't really apply to the bormbardement itself.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 03 janvier 2014 - 03:24 .

[McFlurry598]

Mr Massakka wrote...

McFlurry598 wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Halo's Flood.
They are basically like the Reapers in organic form and it would be a very interesting war of who consumes who... which the Flood will probably win.

The flood can only infect organics. So part of the reapers would be infected whilst the other half would be synthetic. Lore of Halo only has it that only when the victim is fully infected does the flood form take over. Flood+reapers would only make the reapers more powerful.

On many occassions the Flood has taken over giant space stations and covered whole ships in its' biomass in order to gain control. Cortana, the AI of the protagonist, was also being corrupted by them.
The Flood is very well capable of attacking machines and influencing AI.

True enough. I still can't comprehend how the flood will infect a reaper ship 

[ManOfSteel]

Any faction from Warhammer 40,000, simply because it would be hilariously one-sided in favour of the Warhammer 40,000 faction.

[CrutchCricket]

StreetMagic wrote...

The Reapers are a ridiculous deprotagonizing force the likes of which has never been seen. Not even other galaxy destroying villains stand a chance. Like Galactus from Marvel comics. Or even Satan himself. lol

lolno.

The Reapers would be toast if Galactus were to so much as fart in their general direction. Hell any and all of his heralds would roflstomp them as well.

Let's not step into comic book universes. The results could be... embarassing.

Like people have said before the Reapers were made hilariously OP in their universe in order to create the desired effect. However since the MEU isn't particularly crazy with its powerlevels, that doesn't mean much if you pit them against other universes where ridiculous power is mundane.

Personally I would like to see Reapers vs Yuuzhan Vong, not because of the battle, but because **** the holokid and its bull**** "synthetics are inevitable" crap. Vong be all like:

[Steelcan]

The Covenant, Forerunners, Warhammer 40K, any Star Wars faction capable of fielding ships

[CrutchCricket]

StreetMagic wrote...

That's what I'm arguing though: Their desired effect. Transfer the same desired effect anywhere and they stomp on everything. They're meant to be overpowered in every sense. Technologically, psychologically, etc..

I don't see them as any kind of entity to be analyzed on some technical level. It's just the desired effect.. the archetype or trope, if you will, that I find ridiculous. Few fictional universes try to push it to this level. It's always ugly. The thing with Galactus is, as powerful as he is, he's not meant to be this demoralizing. There's always an answer.

Actually in his original appearance he was. The first time we see him he wants to devour the Earth and the only thing standing in his way is the FF. That's way more screwed than the MEU, relatively speaking. Incidentally, that problem was also solved with a deus ex machina asspull...

And if you want to talk desired effect, the Reapers are galactic extinction perpetuators. Galactus is the cosmic force between life and death. There's no contest.

In any case, there's no real point to making these comparison or  "vs" discussions along the lines you're talking about because screwed is screwed. By your logic I could claim that Jason Voorhees is on par with the Reapers because in his specific circumstances he is equally unstoppable and psychologically terrifying and produces a similar effect on dumb coeds that the Reapers do on galactic civilizations. But that seems absurd and there's nowhere to go from there. It's much more interesting to compare actual capabilities in a common setting.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 03 janvier 2014 - 05:14 .

[AresKeith]

Sith Empire, Forerunners, and the Vong from Star Wars

[Mr.House]

The list is too big to name. I'll just list the Sith Empire, Zerg, UNSC, Covenant, Space Pirates and Samus, by herself.

The Reapers are really not that powerful when you look at it, it's just the factions in ME are stupid as heck.

Modifié par Mr.House, 03 janvier 2014 - 05:17 .

[AresKeith]

And this army shall be lead by Darth Marr >

[AresKeith]

I forgot to add HK-47 and HK-51 for the ground forces

[CynicalShep]

Mandalorians would roflstomp them. Wouldn't even be a fair fight.

[Mr.House]

CynicalShep wrote...

Mandalorians would roflstomp them. Wouldn't even be a fair fight.

Mandalorians are part of the sith empire

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Mandalorians aren't all they're cracked up to be, especially after Karen Traviss got her little grubby hands on them.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

StreetMagic wrote...

That's what I'm arguing though: Their desired effect. Transfer the same desired effect anywhere and they stomp on everything. They're meant to be overpowered in every sense. Technologically, psychologically, etc..

I don't see them as any kind of entity to be analyzed on some technical level. It's just the desired effect.. the archetype or trope, if you will, that I find ridiculous. Few fictional universes try to push it to this level. It's always ugly. The thing with Galactus is, as powerful as he is, he's not meant to be this demoralizing. There's always an answer.

Why don't you technically analyze them? They're not psychologically demoralizing when you really learn how they work. That's pretty much where a lot of their power comes from.

You're not going to beat them with conventional means, but you don't need to. You have the Crucible. That's the answer you need.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

AresKeith wrote...

And this army shall be lead by Darth Marr >

That pretender? Please. 

Any decent Jedi would put him down.

[CrutchCricket]

StreetMagic wrote...
I'm not trying to be absurd though. I guess I'm just more interested in the motivations on why a writer would even want to go there. People who would write something like the Reapers would attempt it elsewhere. It's the mountain dew approach to writing. "EXTREME!!"

Well as far as Mass Effect goes, the writers were just shooting in the dark during the first game. They didn't know if there'd be a sequel so **** it, why not go straight to IMMINENT GALACTIC THREAT DOOM FOR ALL OHNOES!

But like I said, screwed is screwed, and unstoppable is unstoppable. If you want to just look at it in those terms, it's not comparing, it's categorizing. It's TVTropes, instead of Comic Vine.

Put them in a Mavel Universe story, and they'll pull the same thing. It'd just be a different name.

Yes, well a frequent problem of comics is that they do this too often.

[AresKeith]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

And this army shall be lead by Darth Marr >

That pretender? Please. 

Any decent Jedi would put him down.

Except none could

[MassivelyEffective0730]

AresKeith wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

And this army shall be lead by Darth Marr >

That pretender? Please. 

Any decent Jedi would put him down.

Except none could

I'm sure Satele Shan could. Or the Hero of Tython. Hell, the Barsen'thor.

Revan would be cleaning stains off his robes.