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GnusmasTHX wrote...

You realize you're talking about the character that's half naked all the time right?


Image IPBnot to take sides or anything, but there is an alternate costume where she wears a blacktop shirt so that is up to the player.

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I don't play female chars myself for a simple reason - I'm male and so I play male. Nothing special in it, simply the way it is. And I don't care personally what type or what gender or what species some "group member" is. All that matters to me is whether that person is useful or not. Useful - comes with me. Not useful - will spend time in party camp. Or in crew quarters. Or in whatever. I didn't use biotics or engineering much in ME1 but that's simply the way it is - I'm a combatant. I stalk the enemy, and when it least expects - boom, headshot with a sniper rifle. Then I just move in and wipe the place clean, with assault weapon fire, grenades, mines, heavy weapon fire - whatever is at hand. I'm a combatant and thus I prefer combat approach and usually due to this also prefer combatant party members. Doesn't mean that I wouldn't use others at all, no, but I definitely would use them less.

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Crawling_Chaos wrote...

If I ever saw ANYBODY that looked like SuZe (male or female) IRL, I would avoid them.

That's too bad. You might be missing out on meeting some interesting people because you're a bit put off by their personal aesthetic.

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Maria Caliban wrote...

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Hahahahaha!

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GnusmasTHX wrote...



You realize you're talking about the character that's half naked all the time right?




With all that ink, there's very little skin showing.



A half naked man can be intimidating, the VAST majority of the time, a woman with skin showing is being presented as submissive (sexually) to the viewer, but it is possible for a woman to be half-naked and intimidating.

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To me, strong women don't scare me. Although I suppose I don't count, since I don't really consider myself a 'gamer'.

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I adore strong women. Strong and confident leading ladies are my biggest turn on and the reason why girls like Alyx Vance from Half-Life are nigh irresistible. Samus Aran is another lady who many still don't even realize is female. She's strong and talented, and beautiful, but she's a strong women who happens to be beautiful, not a beautiful woman that happens to be strong.

Another favorite of mine is Chun-Li. Unlike almost EVERY other fighting game girl, she's almost covered from head-to-toe, yet she's undeniably beautiful. Also does for THIGHS what Tali does for HIPS. She's the first lady of fighting games, and she didn't need T&A to leave a good impression.

Rounding out my list of interests is Farah from Prince of Persia, a feisty, witty, talented, funny, beautiful, resourceful, and even tragic character with enough charisma for three games (good thing too since Warrior Within was such a shallow emo-disaster). Also mad props to Midna from Twilight Princess, Jenny from The Darkness, Jill Valentine from Resident Evil, and Heather Mason from Silent Hill.

Modifié par Garlador, 20 janvier 2010 - 11:40 .


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Jesse Houston wrote...

My fiance can beat me up. :(


Im jealous. I LOVE strong women, god having somone with muscled abs... If Suze had that, I might¨ve ended up cheating on Liara <.<

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Whailor wrote...

I don't play female chars myself for a simple reason - I'm male and so I play male. Nothing special in it, simply the way it is.


You're not a space marine in real life (they don't exist) so I don't see where "I'm male so I play male" comes from. I'm male *and* I play femshep - nothing special either....

Modifié par Returnpolicy, 20 janvier 2010 - 11:44 .


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Maria Caliban wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

You realize you're talking about the character that's half naked all the time right?


With all that ink, there's very little skin showing.

A half naked man can be intimidating, the VAST majority of the time, a woman with skin showing is being presented as submissive (sexually) to the viewer, but it is possible for a woman to be half-naked and intimidating.


I agree with the second part but the first part doesn't matter, she practically wears a boob-guard and that's all there is above her waist. The ink won't hold up in court when she get's fined for indecent exposure.

And I don't use the term "boob-guard" as often as I should.

Doesn't really matter if she's wear the vest alternate; SuZe shows the most skin out of all the female characters.

Not that it really matters. 

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Jesse Houston wrote...

My fiance can beat me up. :(

lol jesse put you better start putting your foot down

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Corben158 wrote...

Well lets just sit down and think about this, A woman who is covered in
tattoos, Aggressive piercings, and a need to show off too much skin,




The kinds of piercings that would sooner choke you than look at you. I see why people are scared now.

OH CLARITY, TAKE MY HAND AND GUIDE ME THROUGH THESE TOUGH TIMES!!

:wizard:

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Ingrimm22 wrote...

seriously, the internets is chokeful of threads about how "disturbed" everyone is about Subject Zero. This is a little too telling to not be embarrasing. I for one really LOVE that characterdesign, seriously, it doesn't mean that i would humb her in RL (but i'm not even sure about that), but for a GAMECHARACTER she is quite unique and badass, it puzzles me that everyone and their mother seem to hate her. There's already enough ****** and asses in that game to please the adolescent, we need something to counterbalance that. And i really love the overall characterdesign so far, just "Grunt" seems a little to obvious to me.


Strong women? Im not afraid of strong women, and I know many strong women that do not act like Subject Zero. I wouldn't necessarily describe her behviour as 'strong'.

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Corben158 wrote...

Well lets just sit down and think about this, A woman who is covered in
tattoos, Aggressive piercings, and a need to show off too much skin,

These
are obvious signs of very tramatic childhoods, and So far it seems she
was a test subject for god knows what kind of horrible tests, and You
think she just comes out of all these test as a strong person?  It
Doesn't it just makes messed up people who handle things the wrong way,
with sex, crazy attitudes and Choatic relationships.

Im sure we will see how choatic and messed up she is, during the game.

These
kind of people are made through rape, beatings, losing parents,
mentally abusive parents, neglectful parents and ritualistic torture.

That's quite the assumption.

In Jack's case, it does indeed appear as though she's been used and abused for a good portion of her life. However, not everyone with tattoos and piercings--Subject Zero doesn't have any visable piercings, by the by--had a poor childhood. There's all sorts of reasons why a person might engage in body modification, but self expression and a love of art are the ones that I encounter most frequently.

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I think you're confusing strong with blatantly psychotic.

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I love strong women they can handle themselves and you usualy get on with them as a mate and a partner.

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Subject Zero is less of a strong woman and more of a head case. I adore characterization and imaginative character design in video games more than anything which is why I "like" her, it was why I "liked" the murderous racist woman, Ashley. Strong woman are fine as long as they are interesting enough. It's part of the reason I can hardly stand the Japanese games and writing where "strong woman" usually translates out to impractically large breasted woman who show about as much development as a piece of moldy plaster would.

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I just am never really a fan of the strong or tough characters. Never have been, most likely never will.

This includes Ashley, Wrex, Grunt and Subject Zero for now. I like to have them around for more variety, but I can't say I'm much of a fan of them and definitely won't go for any romance options for those available.

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Ingrimm22 wrote...

Do strong women scare gamers?


Unless we're supposed to arm-wrestle them, no.

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How do we know SuZe is a strong woman?

She has a lot of attitude, she has "cool" if you like the slightly crazy, fly of the handle sort, but STRONG is kind of projecting, no? Strength is so much more than that.

If you had a strong woman without the need to "prove" how strong she is, would gamers reject her too?

If you had a strong woman who didn't fly off the handle, would gamers scoff at her?

If you had a strong woman who didn't have to overcompensate by letting her bewbs hang out, what then?

Modifié par imported_beer, 20 janvier 2010 - 11:55 .


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I go by a simple logic. I love strong women, baldness and tattoos do not bother me as I know many people with them and they are usually very nice people, and I don't like ****s. If I don't like Subject Zero it will be because she is a ****, but as I have not played the game then I will withhold judgement, though I must say from what I have seen I am suspecting potential ****ness incoming. *Puts on tin helmet*  Prefer my dark characters to have a bit more personality, too much adolescent dark here.

EDIT:  Awww, **** is censored?  But it's such a cool brit word. :(

Modifié par FlintlockJazz, 20 janvier 2010 - 11:58 .


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PiercedMonk wrote...

Corben158 wrote...

Well lets just sit down and think about this, A woman who is covered in
tattoos, Aggressive piercings, and a need to show off too much skin,

These
are obvious signs of very tramatic childhoods, and So far it seems she
was a test subject for god knows what kind of horrible tests, and You
think she just comes out of all these test as a strong person?  It
Doesn't it just makes messed up people who handle things the wrong way,
with sex, crazy attitudes and Choatic relationships.

Im sure we will see how choatic and messed up she is, during the game.

These
kind of people are made through rape, beatings, losing parents,
mentally abusive parents, neglectful parents and ritualistic torture.

That's quite the assumption.

In Jack's case, it does indeed appear as though she's been used and abused for a good portion of her life. However, not everyone with tattoos and piercings--Subject Zero doesn't have any visable piercings, by the by--had a poor childhood. There's all sorts of reasons why a person might engage in body modification, but self expression and a love of art are the ones that I encounter most frequently.


Eloquently put. 

It seems to me that far too many people are looking towards her appearance, and making assumptions based on that. Let's be honest here. At best, we've seen half-a-handful of clips of SuZe; nowhere near enough to build a meaningful character profile.

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Suze doesn't scare me but American Gladiator women do..

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imported_beer wrote...

If you had a strong woman who didn't have to overcompensate by letting her bewbs hang out, what then?


I'd be in love. :wub:  Less is more as they say.

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Cris Shepard wrote...

Suze doesn't scare me but American Gladiator women do..


They are hawt.

Imagine, she can carry you over her shoulder for Snu Snu and then twist you into a pretzel while she has her way with you.

Awesome.

Modifié par imported_beer, 21 janvier 2010 - 12:03 .