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[izmirtheastarach]

I find the phrase "strong woman" a little silly, and also mildly offensive. It sort of implies that the default is weak woman.

[vhatever]

You obviously didn't play the original metroid.

[ERJAK1]

OsirisLee wrote...

vhatever wrote...

ODST 3 wrote...

AgentOfAtlas wrote...

Azazel005 wrote...

Master Chief isn't a Woman. What gave anyone the idea that was the case?

There was a female Spartan as a bonus character in in 360's Dead Or Alive (erm, 4?) game, so maybe that generated the confusion for some people?

Yes, also, there's Samus, an armored space warrior who usually hides her face which might confuse some.

Hmm. Not so much she hides her face, but the suit she wears is gives her an ultra masculine profile. Still not sure how she crams her ****** into that thing.

Are you kidding? That suit is huge.  She's got enough room in that thing for excess anatomy, plus a mini-fridge stocked with lime Jell-O and orange soda.

OOOHH I know the Master Chief is a woman rumor came from a haloid video where she and Samus were a lesbian couple at the end(great video BTW). Personally, as I never played anything but the multiplayer on halo, I take this to be canon. But that's just me. I'm sure some Halo fanboy will cry about, but I don't work at bungie so my opinion only affects me:D

[LucidStrike]

Pfft. Those people can burn in hell fire. Bring on the riot girl

Modifié par LucidStrike, 21 janvier 2010 - 02:29 .

[PiercedMonk]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

That's a bit ignorant - don't you think you're tarring a lot of people with the same brush, mate?  Tattooing/piercings have been around for thousands of years - the cultural connotations of which varies greatly depending on the time and place...

In response to the OP, it's a pretty interesting question...  It really comes down to how strong you are compared to that person (in terms of experience, I would say).  If you perceive them as stronger than you, then of course there's a good chance they'll come across as intimidating.  But the more you understand why they are the way they are, the less scary they become...  In any case, having a heap of tattoos shouldn't make someone scary - meh, heaps of folk around here have them [where I live, in UK], and obviously they're not all the same.

Certainly, it's not surprising that a character like SuZe might naturally gravitate toward tattoo sub-culture in some fashion, but that's not to say that all people who are into tattoos are like Suze.

I've explained my personality in other posts, and why you should excuse my ignorance.  It's just something I'd rather not deal with.  I'm interested, however, to learn about the history/culture/reasonings behind doing such things, but I would do that through second hand accounts (books, documentaries, journals, etc).

If you're genuinely interested, there's an excellent book by a Ms. Victoria Pitts entitled In the Flesh: The Cultural Politics of Body Modification. Defiently worth a read.

[Meta-Scourge]

Not in the least, I love strong women

Jesse Houston wrote...

My fiance can beat me up.

Oh come on, fight back. From what I've seen on TV it is just as potent a athrodesiac than what other people use.

[spernus]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I find the phrase "strong woman" a little silly, and also mildly offensive. It sort of implies that the default is weak woman.

It's sad and true that there's still plenty of male gamer who have a lot of psychological issues.They won't buy Bayonetta because of the female lead(or FF XIII).I don't even want to talk about mmorpg and the meltdown of various guys just talking/flirting to female avatars only to discover...

Worst offender is Gears of War and every testoterone poisoned wannabe who went crazy with the possibility of a female gear in the upcoming sequel. Gears of War is already silly enough,it's not a female gears that will ruin the franchise.

[lokiarchetype]

spernus wrote...
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It's sad and true that there's still plenty of male gamer who have a lot of psychological issues.They won't buy Bayonetta because of the female lead(or FF XIII).I don't even want to talk about mmorpg and the meltdown of various guys just talking/flirting to female avatars only to discover...

Worst offender is Gears of War and every testoterone poisoned wannabe who went crazy with the possibility of a female gear in the upcoming sequel. Gears of War is already silly enough,it's not a female gears that will ruin the franchise.

And there's plenty of women on this forum that claimed they didn't want to play Mass Effect until they found out you could be a girl, so why single out male gamers for the behavior?
It's also more acceptable for girls to act in boyish ways than it is for boys to act in girlish ways, so it's not surprising there'd be an unease about it.

SuZe isn't a strong woman, she's damaged and probably immensely emotionally fragile behind the walls of foot-thick concrete she's built around herself.

[casedawgz]

spernus wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I find the phrase "strong woman" a little silly, and also mildly offensive. It sort of implies that the default is weak woman.

It's sad and true that there's still plenty of male gamer who have a lot of psychological issues.They won't buy Bayonetta because of the female lead(or FF XIII).I don't even want to talk about mmorpg and the meltdown of various guys just talking/flirting to female avatars only to discover...

Worst offender is Gears of War and every testoterone poisoned wannabe who went crazy with the possibility of a female gear in the upcoming sequel. Gears of War is already silly enough,it's not a female gears that will ruin the franchise.

I won't buy Bayonetta because she has guns on her feet.

[Heavenblade]

SuZe strikes me as a try hard attempting to overcompensate for all the horrors she has endured. She acts like a freak because she knows she is as weak as a kitten and if anyone gets close, she will break like so much chinaware. So she becomes a foul-mouthed killer probably like some of the people who made her what she is.

I will probably expose some kind of hidden patriarchal male oppressor side to me here, but...

My idea of a strong woman is a real lady of war... an elegant goddess who drinks the blood of her enemies. A woman whose feminine charm is genuine as is her devotion to those things which she loves and those ideals which she adheres to.

Too often is femininity linked with weakness in the mainstream. This is, I think, one of the problems with certain groups in the real world, who think the only way for a woman to be "liberated" is to simply adopt the warped social expectations foisted on men. Why anyone would want to voluntarily do that is beyond me. It's tough, because most of my friends are women these days and I am completely heterosexual. I have to "hang out with the guys" and "get drunk and watch the game." Well, getting drunk is okay... where was I going with all this again? Oh yeah

Strong women are great... so long as they are actually strong, and women.

Modifié par Heavenblade, 21 janvier 2010 - 03:25 .

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Ingrimm22 wrote...

seriously, the internets is chokeful of threads about how "disturbed" everyone is about Subject Zero. This is a little too telling to not be embarrasing. I for one really LOVE that characterdesign, seriously, it doesn't mean that i would humb her in RL (but i'm not even sure about that), but for a GAMECHARACTER she is quite unique and badass, it puzzles me that everyone and their mother seem to hate her. There's already enough ****** and asses in that game to please the adolescent, we need something to counterbalance that. And i really love the overall characterdesign so far, just "Grunt" seems a little to obvious to me.

Sir before making an argument please be sure you know what you are talking about.

Now I currently hate Subject Zero, maybe when the game comes out and I actually get to see more of her character I will actually like her but as my first Impression from the Subject Zero intro trailer I am hoping that we get the option to boot her out the airlock.

Now the reason I hate her is not because she is a strong woman but because just looks like a very juvenile version of what a badass should be.

"And some are for because hey, F**K you" 

 that line says it all. Seriously Bioware tried everything to make her more badass but in the end she looks as "badass" as a toddler with a potty mouth. Dont get me wrong I love tough chicks if they are done right but Subject Zero just looks pathetic.

[Twosday]

I don't think it's so much a matter of "strong" women scaring gamers as it is a lot of gamers not appreciating characters they don't admire or find attractive in some way and especially so if the character is a woman. I think SuZe is a combo of unlikeable, unattractive, and threatening to a lot of male gamers (and probably female gamers too) and they are willing to write off the character based on that alone.



I'm looking forward to seeing what SuZe is all about and hoping she's an interesting piece of the story and an interesting personality. Maybe she is and maybe she isn't - I'll wait to play and find out.

[Traumacrazy]

i hate feminists >


 *jumps off building*

Modifié par Traumacrazy, 21 janvier 2010 - 04:02 .

[finc.loki]

Doesn't scare me, it excites me.



When I see SuZe I think a little bit about Aeryn Sun from Farscape.

She was a tough woman that could kick the living sh*t out of anyone.

But underneath it all she had a softer side.

I think that is how SuZe will be, she is tough much in part of how her life has been, according to some video about ME2 I just saw, don't know which, it says she has a softer side she shows Shepard, a vulnerable side.



I think that will attract me, cause if she ever shows that to "me" shepard I would be honored since she doesn't do it easily, hence we have a connection, beyond the "just sex" part.

Of course just speculation since I don't have the game and she might just be cold through and through.



However they say she has a lot of facets to her.

[cedardryad]

To me, SuZe isn't necessarily the strong female type. She's just not approachable. She's damaged, for the lack of a better term. She is the way she is because of her past.



If what people have said about her being raped and the sexual slave thing on top of the cult thing is true then there are reasons for her to be the way she is. In the psychology of a person who has gone through trauma, as well as an animal that has been abused, a scared animal is more aggressive. A strong, psychologically sound person has control over their impulses.



People here have already mentioned she's a psychopath. I would just say volatile. Psychopaths are actually the calm, charming manipulative crazies. Like Ted Bundy.

http://www.scientifi...sychopath-means



If she was indeed raped or taken advantage sexually while in the cult then this is all a way of getting people away from her. The uglifying of her body and self in general is to keep people from being sexually attracted to her. Also her being super violent will make a person think twice of trying to get close to her. She won't let herself be tamed so she is weak again. She sees herself as being strong because she's intimidating others. Her roughness when it ocmes to sex is stemmed from, "When I want it, I'll make the move."



Long story short, she has low self esteem, but is masking all her vulnerability behind the tattoos and all the other stuff. She is weaker than she is strong. I do relate to her character a lot and I do love her.

[Peer of the Empire]

Ingrimm22 wrote...

seriously, the internets is chokeful of threads about how "disturbed" everyone is about Subject Zero.

Maybe it's disgust and contempt.  Ever think of that?  If you or she comports themselves better you might get better results.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Nope.....that's the beauty of it. I don't scare me, why should I?

[Permutation]

Subject Zero "strong"? Depends on your definition of strength. She's got a lot of anger driving her, and that can be a strength on the battlefield. Emotionally, she's weak as can be.

In my eyes, a strong woman is nothing to be feared, but to be admired. My favorite examples. Marie Curie. Single mothers.

Modifié par Permutation, 21 janvier 2010 - 05:35 .

[lokiarchetype]

I think a better question is "why are female gamers so scared of strong, sensible male leads?"

Male Shepard isn't overly macho or a hypermasculine caricature like more video game protagonists which makes him a refreshing and realistic portrayal of a military man and yet any thread about FemShep is bound to have about half its post directed towards either Vanderloo or Mark Meer and how terrible they are.

Clearly they're just uncomfortable with viewing men as sensible and clearheaded instead of testosterone driven maniacs.

See? Two can play at this game.

Modifié par lokiarchetype, 21 janvier 2010 - 05:40 .

[drunken pyromaniac]

I kind of like SuZe because she is damaged goods. I mean, we are all damaged to a certain extent and I always find characters in fiction who have a bad past more interesting than the happy go-lucky types. These sorts of characters also kind of make the rest of us feel normal by comparison.

[Hahaue]

IrishSpectre257 wrote...

I've seen people refuse to play as FemShep.

I have a friend who won't play FemShep cause he thinks she sounds "too much like a ******." I was really unimpressed with him.

[Fuhjem24]

Hell, I'm kinda attracted to strong women.

[lokiarchetype]

Hahaue wrote...

IrishSpectre257 wrote...

I've seen people refuse to play as FemShep.

I have a friend who won't play FemShep cause he thinks she sounds "too much like a ******." I was really unimpressed with him.

And likewise there are female gamers who don't play MaleShep cause they think he sounds "too much like a douche"

It goes both ways.