So I was listening to I Am The Law by Anthrax and they made it for the Judge Dredd movie. Listening to it makes me feel like running a renegade shepard even thought I'm halfway through ME3 on hardcore with my parragon shep. Can you share your experiences with me please? Also, who would win a fight, Shepard or Dredd?
What is it like being a renegade in ME2 and 3
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Posté 04 janvier 2014 - 04:10
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ME2 Renegade: Hilarious. Full of people working too hard, talking too much, and never saying goodbye. Good times bro.
ME3 Renegade: Feels bad man. You do a lot of horrible things going Renegade. Mordin, Wrex, Legion. Awh, gawd. Still, pretty bad-A. Can lead to some of the trilogy's most satisfying moments. Flying drones with Cains everywhere. Shep don't give a ****.
Best Renegade is probably ME3. ME2 Renegade is a bit of a sociopath. A really hilarious sociopath, but still.
ME3 Renegade: Feels bad man. You do a lot of horrible things going Renegade. Mordin, Wrex, Legion. Awh, gawd. Still, pretty bad-A. Can lead to some of the trilogy's most satisfying moments. Flying drones with Cains everywhere. Shep don't give a ****.
Best Renegade is probably ME3. ME2 Renegade is a bit of a sociopath. A really hilarious sociopath, but still.
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Posté 04 janvier 2014 - 04:12
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Depends if you mean renegade dialogue or action. It's perfectly possible to have a 100% full Renegade bar and save everybody in ME2/3; you can be ruthless without being a sociopath.
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Posté 04 janvier 2014 - 05:52
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I play mostly as renegade and its not bad. I like to have more renegade interrupts in ME3
In one renegade playthrough I killed everyone and in another renegade playthrough everyone lived that could live.
In one renegade playthrough I killed everyone and in another renegade playthrough everyone lived that could live.
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Posté 04 janvier 2014 - 06:05
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themikefest wrote...
In one renegade playthrough I killed everyone and in another renegade playthrough everyone lived that could live.
Yep. There are different flavors of renegade, just as there are different flavors of paragon.
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Posté 04 janvier 2014 - 06:33
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The good thing about ME3 is that you don't have to cling to one side of the wheel for the persuasion mechanic to work. I've never done a full paragon or full renegade playthrough. I do whatever happens to be right for the Shepard I RP at any given moment.
Your "renegade" Shepard can be a full-blown "watch Samara die and shoot her daughter" sociopath, or simply a pragmatist. There are entire lines of rational argument "renegade" Shepard makes which players will never be exposed to if they compulsively pick the top option every time.
Your "renegade" Shepard can be a full-blown "watch Samara die and shoot her daughter" sociopath, or simply a pragmatist. There are entire lines of rational argument "renegade" Shepard makes which players will never be exposed to if they compulsively pick the top option every time.
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Posté 04 janvier 2014 - 06:36
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I lean neutral to paragon, but I consider myself an unfettered machiavellian true neutral.
I don't do paragon actions because they're good, but because they typically have the most preferable outcome that helps my goal.
Compassionate or genocidal, I'll be whatever I have to be to stop the Reapers. I find notions of morality completely irrelevant to necessity.
I don't do paragon actions because they're good, but because they typically have the most preferable outcome that helps my goal.
Compassionate or genocidal, I'll be whatever I have to be to stop the Reapers. I find notions of morality completely irrelevant to necessity.
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Posté 04 janvier 2014 - 06:39
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MayonnaiseNipple wrote...
ME2 Renegade: Hilarious. Full of people working too hard, talking too much, and never saying goodbye. Good times bro.
ME3 Renegade: Feels bad man. You do a lot of horrible things going Renegade. Mordin, Wrex, Legion. Awh, gawd. Still, pretty bad-A. Can lead to some of the trilogy's most satisfying moments. Flying drones with Cains everywhere. Shep don't give a ****.
Best Renegade is probably ME3. ME2 Renegade is a bit of a sociopath. A really hilarious sociopath, but still.
exactly this.
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Posté 04 janvier 2014 - 06:47
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I put up a thread on the ME2 forum a day or two ago about a "renegade" playthrough. Not really meant to be renegade, just ended up more renegade than paragon based on Shepard's psyche. You could look at it and the discussions about some of the choices here.
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Posté 04 janvier 2014 - 08:37
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BECAUSE I CAN'T MAKE SPOILER TAGS, CONSIDER THIS SPOILERY FOR EVEN THE ENDING OF ME3. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. READ THIS AFTER YOU FINISH THE GAME IF YOU'RE CONCERNED.
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*good as in 'morally' good, bad as in 'morally' bad, and I'm more talking about 'pure' R/P playthroughs, not Paragade, Renegon, or 'full contextual', or 'Renegade but tooled in another way' or 'Paragon but tooled in another way'.
ME2:
Good - You're badass and take no **** from anyone. You're focused on the job and the goal, not on feels, or on larger moral issues that might trip other people up or keep them from doing what they 'should'. You're also, like with Paragon, a more exaggerated form of Renegade compared to the more vanilla tone of ME1. You now embody 'renegade', and you're especially renegade from those who you percieve turned their backs on you (Alliance). While you believe in duty, it is ultimately to yourself, serving either the Alliance, Cerberus, or Alliance again, as long as you think they're getting stuff DONE. (A Renegon or Paragade is more likely to be pure military with true respect to it, while pure Renegade is more about the chaos/evolutionary theme of winner take all)
From player perspective, there is just more awesome and hilarious moments. Renegade in ME2 doesn't take himself too seriously except when he needs to crack the whip to keep others in line to him, whereas Paragon is already weighted down a bit by the responsibility to save colonists (as opposed to the priority of just kicking Collector ass, which is 'easy' enough compared to actual Reapers). Keyword is: FUN... in the GTA way.
Bad - You've gone down the road that others would, and if you look at NPC reactions they DO, see as psychopathic. While you feel more innately human (in all the wrong ways sometimes), your physical form doesn't reflect this, but shows the reality that you are closer to man-machine (unless you shrug and take the cosmetic surgery..).
Psychopathy is something, honestly, very 'human', and a pure Renegade trends very much toward it, to the point that its no surprise why some would see you as the bad guy. Life itself is of little concern to you, except your own and those you deem very kin to you. The strong survive. Keyword is: SCARY... in the concerning way ("You ok man?").
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There is a partial flip in ME3. There's several good reasons for this imo, but I won't get into that. What is important is that Bioware seems to view Paragon and Renegade to be very specific things, but with many different surrounding effects that can be completely changed depending on the environmental and character context.
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ME3:
Good - Because you're in the middle of the Reaper invasion, 'fun' isn't as commonly found on either moral types. Now, it's more about being tested BASED on what you were before and what you will choose to become. (excpetion maybe being on shore leaves, Citadel DLC, stuff like that)
ME3 is a war story at its core (regardless of the weird stuff I've said in other posts) and Renegade better reflects that. When a Renegade is given a purpose, it does that purpose efficiently, without distraction, and with dedication, even as it strains him physically. As I view the 'basic canon structure' of Shepard (as in, the Shepard we're sold through ads and interviews) to be akin to a Paragade in ME2 and Renegon in ME3 (and nothing in particular in ME1), even the Renegade of ME3 is affected by the drastic shift towards billions of people dying. He's not exactly empathetic towards them, but he sees every death as a loss in a battle he is meant to win.
So, being a Renegade in ME3 is playing a Shepard *almost* unwaveringly against the Reapers in every way, including their tech, other synthetics they could utilize (geth), and more. No matter what moral lessons the game might be trying to teach us, or lore developments (including Leviathan DLC info), or anything else, the Renegade pounds on through to what was the goal in ME1, destroying the Reapers.
Since ME3 seemingly adds several layers of invisible moral complexity, you'll find people arguing AGAINST this goal now! But in ME1 and even ME2, that's what the goal was, at least to the point of driving the Reapers into Dark Space.
Bad - At the same time, a pure Renegade is fraying at the seams of his humanity. In trying to fight the Reapers at every turn, he's losing what many people believe it means to be human. He may commit up to betrayal, genocide, or more, and at least on the surface, not seem to feel much guilt about it (again, pure Rene). While you could say a Pure Paragon loses what it means to fight for humanity (through sacrificing his human form into a Reaper), a Pure Renegade loses what it means to be a human himself (through sacrificing his emotions for others and their well being, for the sake of a singular goal). *eventually becoming a 'Javik'
So how is playing a Renegade in ME3? Keyword is: Heroic... in the distrubing vengance way.
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*good as in 'morally' good, bad as in 'morally' bad, and I'm more talking about 'pure' R/P playthroughs, not Paragade, Renegon, or 'full contextual', or 'Renegade but tooled in another way' or 'Paragon but tooled in another way'.
ME2:
Good - You're badass and take no **** from anyone. You're focused on the job and the goal, not on feels, or on larger moral issues that might trip other people up or keep them from doing what they 'should'. You're also, like with Paragon, a more exaggerated form of Renegade compared to the more vanilla tone of ME1. You now embody 'renegade', and you're especially renegade from those who you percieve turned their backs on you (Alliance). While you believe in duty, it is ultimately to yourself, serving either the Alliance, Cerberus, or Alliance again, as long as you think they're getting stuff DONE. (A Renegon or Paragade is more likely to be pure military with true respect to it, while pure Renegade is more about the chaos/evolutionary theme of winner take all)
From player perspective, there is just more awesome and hilarious moments. Renegade in ME2 doesn't take himself too seriously except when he needs to crack the whip to keep others in line to him, whereas Paragon is already weighted down a bit by the responsibility to save colonists (as opposed to the priority of just kicking Collector ass, which is 'easy' enough compared to actual Reapers). Keyword is: FUN... in the GTA way.
Bad - You've gone down the road that others would, and if you look at NPC reactions they DO, see as psychopathic. While you feel more innately human (in all the wrong ways sometimes), your physical form doesn't reflect this, but shows the reality that you are closer to man-machine (unless you shrug and take the cosmetic surgery..).
Psychopathy is something, honestly, very 'human', and a pure Renegade trends very much toward it, to the point that its no surprise why some would see you as the bad guy. Life itself is of little concern to you, except your own and those you deem very kin to you. The strong survive. Keyword is: SCARY... in the concerning way ("You ok man?").
~~~
There is a partial flip in ME3. There's several good reasons for this imo, but I won't get into that. What is important is that Bioware seems to view Paragon and Renegade to be very specific things, but with many different surrounding effects that can be completely changed depending on the environmental and character context.
~~~
ME3:
Good - Because you're in the middle of the Reaper invasion, 'fun' isn't as commonly found on either moral types. Now, it's more about being tested BASED on what you were before and what you will choose to become. (excpetion maybe being on shore leaves, Citadel DLC, stuff like that)
ME3 is a war story at its core (regardless of the weird stuff I've said in other posts) and Renegade better reflects that. When a Renegade is given a purpose, it does that purpose efficiently, without distraction, and with dedication, even as it strains him physically. As I view the 'basic canon structure' of Shepard (as in, the Shepard we're sold through ads and interviews) to be akin to a Paragade in ME2 and Renegon in ME3 (and nothing in particular in ME1), even the Renegade of ME3 is affected by the drastic shift towards billions of people dying. He's not exactly empathetic towards them, but he sees every death as a loss in a battle he is meant to win.
So, being a Renegade in ME3 is playing a Shepard *almost* unwaveringly against the Reapers in every way, including their tech, other synthetics they could utilize (geth), and more. No matter what moral lessons the game might be trying to teach us, or lore developments (including Leviathan DLC info), or anything else, the Renegade pounds on through to what was the goal in ME1, destroying the Reapers.
Since ME3 seemingly adds several layers of invisible moral complexity, you'll find people arguing AGAINST this goal now! But in ME1 and even ME2, that's what the goal was, at least to the point of driving the Reapers into Dark Space.
Bad - At the same time, a pure Renegade is fraying at the seams of his humanity. In trying to fight the Reapers at every turn, he's losing what many people believe it means to be human. He may commit up to betrayal, genocide, or more, and at least on the surface, not seem to feel much guilt about it (again, pure Rene). While you could say a Pure Paragon loses what it means to fight for humanity (through sacrificing his human form into a Reaper), a Pure Renegade loses what it means to be a human himself (through sacrificing his emotions for others and their well being, for the sake of a singular goal). *eventually becoming a 'Javik'
So how is playing a Renegade in ME3? Keyword is: Heroic... in the distrubing vengance way.
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Posté 04 janvier 2014 - 10:15
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Zarble wrote...
So I was listening to I Am The Law by Anthrax and they made it for the Judge Dredd movie. Listening to it makes me feel like running a renegade shepard even thought I'm halfway through ME3 on hardcore with my parragon shep. Can you share your experiences with me please? Also, who would win a fight, Shepard or Dredd?
That's difficult to say, Renegade includes a variety of behaviors like being sarcastic, pro-Cerberus/anti-Alliance, rude, punching, intimitading, utilitarian, etc.
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Posté 04 janvier 2014 - 10:35
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Being full renegade in me3 isn't possible for me. Specifically taking the full renegade options for legion. It is too sad for me... more so than having tali go cliff diving.
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Posté 05 janvier 2014 - 01:50
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This is why I like Paragade the most. In ME2, you can spout off the more amusing lines, without peppering Shep's accolades with spats of psychosis.
In ME3 the effects are much heavier. Renegade can doom entire races to extinction.
In ME3 the effects are much heavier. Renegade can doom entire races to extinction.
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Posté 05 janvier 2014 - 02:13
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MayonnaiseNipple wrote...
ME2 Renegade: Hilarious. Full of people working too hard, talking too much, and never saying goodbye. Good times bro.
ME3 Renegade: Feels bad man. You do a lot of horrible things going Renegade. Mordin, Wrex, Legion. Awh, gawd. Still, pretty bad-A. Can lead to some of the trilogy's most satisfying moments. Flying drones with Cains everywhere. Shep don't give a ****.
Best Renegade is probably ME3. ME2 Renegade is a bit of a sociopath. A really hilarious sociopath, but still.
Yean, I played as a renegade Shepard in ME3. I just couldn't sabotage the cure and kill Mordin and Wrex though...
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MayonnaiseNipple wrote...
ME2 Renegade: Hilarious. Full of people working too hard, talking too much, and never saying goodbye. Good times bro.
ME3 Renegade: Feels bad man. You do a lot of horrible things going Renegade. Mordin, Wrex, Legion. Awh, gawd. Still, pretty bad-A. Can lead to some of the trilogy's most satisfying moments. Flying drones with Cains everywhere. Shep don't give a ****.
Best Renegade is probably ME3. ME2 Renegade is a bit of a sociopath. A really hilarious sociopath, but still.
That pretty much sums up my thoughts.
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Posté 05 janvier 2014 - 12:53
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Renegade is best in ME3.
Paragon is best in ME2.
I partially expect Paragon to swing back around to best in 'ME4'. Possible introduction of a 3rd path (to make Mass Effect in turn emulate Dragon Age II's '3 responses' more clearly).
Paragon is best in ME2.
I partially expect Paragon to swing back around to best in 'ME4'. Possible introduction of a 3rd path (to make Mass Effect in turn emulate Dragon Age II's '3 responses' more clearly).
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Posté 05 janvier 2014 - 04:03
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I actually find ME1 Renegade more dickish than ME3. Most of what Reneshep does in ME3 is pretty sound if you ask me. Even betraying Wrex and shooting Mordin. In ME1 a lot of it seems to be... well, being nasty just cos you can.
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Posté 05 janvier 2014 - 04:26
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ME3 renegade is NOT heroic in any way. He's a monster, a bastard who betrays friends and kills without finding better ways.
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Posté 05 janvier 2014 - 09:10
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OniTYME wrote...
ME3 renegade is NOT heroic in any way. He's a monster, a bastard who betrays friends and kills without finding better ways.
That's only because we were not there at the points of conflict.
Would you be so interested in curing the genophage if they're tossing asteroids towards your hometown?
Would you be so interested in giving the Geth more individual computing power if they just exterminated your entire family in front of you to your confusion?
It's very good to take the high road, and in fact I did that for most of the series, but there are a few things to understand.
If you just have Wreav as leader of the krogan and that's it, curing the genophage appears more as a license to start another war right after the Reaper one.
If you have just GethVI spread itself to the other Geth, sending the code appears more as a license to start another Rannoch war but on a galactic scale.
I think the idea is that if you want to fix situations *properly*, consider the context you put yourself in. Even on the personal level, talking down a random guy with a gun in your face is going to be a heck of a lot harder than someone close to you with emotional vulnerabilties and affection towards you. If it's just the former and he just gunned down others in front of you, then you're better off hitting the guy and/or running when you get the chance.
Default ME3 has us with few of the connections that Full Trilogy Shepard does. In that, it's honestly a lot more practical and smart to do the dirty stuff so that others won't do even dirtier.
I did both that and a Full Trilogy. In Full Trilogy Mostly Paragon Run, I made my allies and tried to ensure a better future. Because it was actually possible.
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Posté 05 janvier 2014 - 11:49
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Wreav flat-out announces that he WILL lead another Krogan rebellion. Paragon Shepard (who reveals the sabotage in the truck) enables it.OniTYME wrote...
ME3 renegade is NOT heroic in any way. He's a monster, a bastard who betrays friends and kills without finding better ways.
Geth VI flat-out states its intent to exterminate the Quarians if you give it the Reaper code. Paragon Shepard enables it.
I'd call it heroic to prevent those things from happening, even if it's through less-than-noble means.
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Posté 05 janvier 2014 - 11:52
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OniTYME wrote...
ME3 renegade is NOT heroic in any way. He's a monster, a bastard who betrays friends and kills without finding better ways.
*yawn*
So whats your point?
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Posté 06 janvier 2014 - 12:12
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Well, I always play a nearly complete Paragon and still do things that many people would find monstrous(like purposely exterminating the Geth and the Rachni). While there are Renegade players that save everyone.
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Posté 06 janvier 2014 - 12:36
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OniTYME wrote...
ME3 renegade is NOT heroic in any way. He's a monster, a bastard who betrays friends and kills without finding better ways.
Implying said people are "friends" and those aren't the "best" ways.
In my game for instance, Mordin signed his own death warrant when he decided to try to allow ultra-violent man lizards who showed no signs of cultural reform to multiply faster than rats.
Granted, I could have jedi mind tricked my way into him abandoning that and going to work on on the crucible instead but like Michael Ehrmantraut of "Breaking Bad", I don't believe in half-measures.
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Posté 06 janvier 2014 - 12:54
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So!OniTYME wrote...
ME3 renegade is NOT heroic in any way. He's a monster, a bastard who betrays friends and kills without finding better ways.
I enjoy being a renegade and the best part is I get the same ending as a goody-two-shoe paragon.
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Posté 06 janvier 2014 - 12:57
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If that's what it takes to defeat the reapers, than its not monstrous.Necanor wrote...
Well, I always play a nearly complete Paragon and still do things that many people would find monstrous(like purposely exterminating the Geth and the Rachni). While there are Renegade players that save everyone.
