Rotward wrote...
Most prison guards in real life are abusive. It's fair to assume that most templars are abusive, too.Secretlyapotato wrote...
Because most templars are nice and don't usually rape mages?
Modifié par hotdogbsg, 05 janvier 2014 - 11:18 .
hotdogbsg wrote...
Rotward wrote...
Most prison guards in real life are abusive. It's fair to assume that most templars are abusive, too.Secretlyapotato wrote...
Because most templars are nice and don't usually rape mages?
As a prison Officer myself that's damn lie and a damn offensive.
Maybe they're not held to the same standards in the States as they are elsewhere.
You forgot Malcolm Hawke.TheKomandorShepard wrote...
It is shame that only 3 blood mages are somehow decent (jowan,merril and alain) and every of them is an idiot.
Foopydoopydoo wrote...
Vandicus wrote...
Because the majority of mages aren't abused. Unless we are to believe that the average Thedosian is significantly more malicious and sociopathic than Earth humans, it comes as no surprise to anyone who doesn't believe that all public school teachers are sexual predators that the mages who experience such unfortunate things are in the minority.
'Ceptunjustified indefinite confinment.
In Exile wrote...
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
The answer is simple - the abuse isn't as spread as many pro-mages want to belive.
To quote Bethany:
"The templaers are mostly polite, and I know they're just doing their jobs, but some hold extreme views."
You
mean like how she says Ser Alrik "harrases" mages, instead of saying
that he forces Harrowed mages to become Tranquil and then uses them as
his sex slaves, including Ella who's mentioned in the letter, who he
hunts down and taunts will all the raping he'll done after he wipes away
her mind?
Yes, the literal content of that letter is definetly reliable.
Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 05 janvier 2014 - 12:33 .
In Exile wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Hang on. Cullen never agreed with Alrik's ideas. Heck, even Meredith said no to the Tranquil solution.
Cullen thought it was going to far... right now. But to him it was a good solution, and he said he doesn't get why the mages whine so much about it since they're not being executed instead.
In Exile wrote...
The psychology of abuse isn't magically different between this setting and IRL. These systemic power differences create an atmosphere of powerlessness. It's why tyranies and dictatorships survive as long as they do. If you blame the mages as 'idiots' for not rebelling, then you have to hold the same view of the hundreds of thousands of people that suffered under communist.
Neither does it say that they weren't. All we have is a lot of evidence of abuse with every single Circle mage we meet that speaks to us except for Bethany.
LobselVith8 wrote...
Master Warder Z wrote...
He deserves to die for submitting to the forbidden and for his possible threat of using it, him being with traitors and conspiritors is just icing on the cake.
Do you also think Grey Warden mages who use blood magic should be killed? Or that the Joining should be abolished since it's a form of blood magic?
eluvianix wrote...
Bear in mind though, that at this point, Anders was not a terrorist. He had escaped the Circle 7 times, but had not proven to be maleficar or otherwise. Karl was indeed smuggling letters to Anders, but Anders was nothing more than a Grey Warden at that time.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
and lastly it is FORBIDDEN.
The law is the law.
Youth4Ever wrote...
The issue is this: "If the only tool you have is a hammer - every problem has to look like a nail."MisterJB wrote...
The point stands. "The nail that sticks out gets hammered down". Bethany was content with her life and the Templars left her alone.
It seems that the best way to avoid being abused by the Templars is to comply with the rules of the Circle. Who knew?
The templars use force and that's it.
Rather than address bad templar imposed policies that lead to friction and rule-breaking - i.e. mages denied freely sending and receiving mail, mages being denied visits with family, being locked in their quarters, denied apperances at court, the incredible number of oppressive policies in general, and the rotten culture of the Kirkwall circle - mages are harshly punished - and expected to accept their harsh punishment on the excuse they broke a minor rule.
andy69156915 wrote...
I'm not really going to debate or argue you because I know it's a lost cause because you're as pro-Templar and anti-mage as a person could be...
You need more than "it's wrong because it's against the law and against the law because it's wrong", circular arguments will get you no where.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
You don't know me very well, do you?
Because who actually pays attention should know very well I'm not anti-mage, even tough I frequently butt heads with some more vocal pro-mages.
TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Merril is blind fool everyone keep telling her that dealing with demons will end badly with tears and gnashing teeth but no "im so intelligent and powerful" (yeah my ***) i have nothing against blood magic she is right about that but trying outsmart something that can read you like a book is bad idea well as far only warden was able to do that to that point...
On other hand merril is also mooron because she tried play with mirror that killed her friend and almost did it with second well not killed tainted him to become ghoul girl is far too stupid to deal with such things and it will be her ultimate doom.
It is shame that only 3 blood mages are somehow decent (jowan,merril and alain) and every of them is an idiot.
Modifié par dragonflight288, 05 janvier 2014 - 02:09 .
dragonflight288 wrote...
Merrill: A Sloth Demon, quick, think active thoughts like running, jumping!
dragonflight288 wrote...
TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Merril is blind fool everyone keep telling her that dealing with demons will end badly with tears and gnashing teeth but no "im so intelligent and powerful" (yeah my ***) i have nothing against blood magic she is right about that but trying outsmart something that can read you like a book is bad idea well as far only warden was able to do that to that point...
On other hand merril is also mooron because she tried play with mirror that killed her friend and almost did it with second well not killed tainted him to become ghoul girl is far too stupid to deal with such things and it will be her ultimate doom.
It is shame that only 3 blood mages are somehow decent (jowan,merril and alain) and every of them is an idiot.
Yet Merrill also remains one of the mages who doesn't get possessed, had contingency plans, and seems to know more about how to defend oneself from demons than any Andrastian mage, and even her own Keeper.
Merrill: All spirits are dangerous. I'm sorry you didn't know this.
Merrill: A Sloth Demon, quick, think active thoughts like running, jumping!
And let's not forget the difference between Anders and Merrill figuring out if Kerren is possessed or not. Anders blasts him with magic and says 'if he was possessed, simply attacking him would draw the demon out,' when I'm sure that a smart Desire or Pride demon wouldn't get drawn out like that, compared to Merrill who examines his blood and knows almost immediately he's not possessed.
And when it comes down to it, Merrill never actually made any deals with any demons. She learned blood magic from a demon sundered from the Fade and trapped inside a statue, and then removed her proximity to said demon so he couldn't influence her. Audacity completely lacks capacity to visit her in dreams, approach her in the Fade or so on, because he isn't there. He can only affect people who are physically nearby.
In the end though, it was Merethari who got possessed, and not Merrill. The so-called expert among the Dalish, also the one who refused to do any research a all, is also the one who knew (short-story) that proximity to Audacity was dangerous and chose to remain on Sundermount anyway.
And one last thing: The mirror did not kill anyone in the Dalish origin. It was the Darkspawn taint and corruption. The fact that she successfully cleansed of the taint removed the original danger.
Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 05 janvier 2014 - 02:36 .
In Act 2 during the Night Terrors quest, you enter the fade to help Feynriel. She says that line when you see the demon approaching you.andy69156915 wrote...
dragonflight288 wrote...
Merrill: A Sloth Demon, quick, think active thoughts like running, jumping!
What is this from? I've played DA2 many times and have never had this line said.
themikefest wrote...
In Act 2 during the Night Terrors quest, you enter the fade to help Feynriel. She says that line when you see the demon approaching you.andy69156915 wrote...
dragonflight288 wrote...
Merrill: A Sloth Demon, quick, think active thoughts like running, jumping!
What is this from? I've played DA2 many times and have never had this line said.
hhh89 wrote...
@andy6916915: I think it might be related to the party you bring in the quest, if it's a line that a companion in general says when you encounter Torpor. Maybe some companions take precedence.
Modifié par andy69156915, 05 janvier 2014 - 03:15 .
Yes, Justice likely takes priority.andy69156915 wrote...
hhh89 wrote...
@andy6916915: I think it might be related to the party you bring in the quest, if it's a line that a companion in general says when you encounter Torpor. Maybe some companions take precedence.
Yeah, I think I figured it out. I always bring Anders because it's good to have a party member who won't turn on me, and I'm pretty sure he's always the one to comment on that specific demon. So I think that it's Anders superseding Merrill.
....andy69156915 wrote...
I'm not really going to debate or argue you because I know it's a lost cause because you're as pro-Templar and anti-mage as a person could be... But I have a counter point to this. Gay marriage used to be against the law, a black person and a white person marrying used to be against the law, black people drinking from white people fountains used to be against the law. Laws can be stupid and wrong, saying "it's the law" as if that is a good argument is not actually helping your case at all. You need more than "it's wrong because it's against the law and against the law because it's wrong", circular arguments will get you no where.
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