204 réponses à ce sujet

[Wulfram]

The damage to Bioware's reputation lately shouldn't be exaggerated. Mass Effect as a whole is still a series with a high reputation that's still alive in fans memories, DA:O still has a following and of course their back catalogue is great

A genuinely bad game would of course be a problem, but I think there are a lot of people who'd love to have something to get positive about,

[andar91]

Hrungr wrote...

While I'm excited for DAI, I do worry sometimes about how it will be received by the general gaming public, even if the game itself turns out be amazing.

Will people who didn't buy DA2 find that a psychological barrier to buying DAI? What if serious competition, like W3, is released in the same timeframe? Can DAI attract significant new players to the franchise? What if DAI turns out to be a great game marred by serious game-breaking bugs at release?

From what we've seen, I think DAI has the potential to be the best in the franchise. I just hope they can get the sales to reflect that if it is...

Actually, I think they've already taken some good steps. For one, they're calling it Dragon Age Inquisition instead of Dragon Age 3, which will help it stand aside from the previous games. New players will likely feel more comfortable and less like they had to play the previous games to pick it up.

Most of the rest of it is up to marketing. Hopefully, they'll do a good job of getting info out there. If the game's released in Fall 2014, that means they'll be able to show off a lot (I would think at this point) at the next E3, which will certainly create a buzz.

One of the larger stumbling blocks it will have, I think, is that it's a fantasy game. I think fantasy is a harder sell to the audience at-large than sci-fi, which is why there are so many sci-fi games but not as many fantasy games. This is just a general perception, I don't have numbers to back this up.

[Mathias]

dreamgazer wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

The problem with the argument presented in the article, is that the last three major BioWare games, being DA2, ME3 and SWTOR, were not all disasters. DA2 was rushed, sure, but ME3, despite its problems, was still a great game, same as SWTOR.

ToR wasn't a disaster? 2nd most expensive game ever developed, and it started hemorrhaging subscribers after the first month and went free to play in under a year. That's not a disaster to you? Are you crazy?

That's a testament to the foolishness of entering the subscription-MMO market this late in the game. 

Apparently it's bounced back rather well after going F2P.

Didn't they close the Australia and Pacific Servers this year? I don't how well they've bounced back, but I'd say it's nowhere near the success that they wanted it to be.

[Dabrikishaw]

daveliam wrote...

I know that I'm apparently in the minority

You aren't, not by a long shot.

[Mathias]

Wulfram wrote...

The damage to Bioware's reputation lately shouldn't be exaggerated. Mass Effect as a whole is still a series with a high reputation that's still alive in fans memories, DA:O still has a following and of course their back catalogue is great

A genuinely bad game would of course be a problem, but I think there are a lot of people who'd love to have something to get positive about,

Maybe DA:I will change that.

I loved Mass Effect to the point where it was my favorite video game series. But the thing that sticks out the most is how badly they botched the ending, and the PR mess that followed after. It was a blemish on the series to me, and I hope ME4 is it's own seperate story that doesn't even address Shepard or the "Shepard Incident" in ME3. I just want to forget ME3 exists and get back into that universe and love it again.

[LinksOcarina]

andar91 wrote...

Hrungr wrote...

While I'm excited for DAI, I do worry sometimes about how it will be received by the general gaming public, even if the game itself turns out be amazing.

Will people who didn't buy DA2 find that a psychological barrier to buying DAI? What if serious competition, like W3, is released in the same timeframe? Can DAI attract significant new players to the franchise? What if DAI turns out to be a great game marred by serious game-breaking bugs at release?

From what we've seen, I think DAI has the potential to be the best in the franchise. I just hope they can get the sales to reflect that if it is...

Actually, I think they've already taken some good steps. For one, they're calling it Dragon Age Inquisition instead of Dragon Age 3, which will help it stand aside from the previous games. New players will likely feel more comfortable and less like they had to play the previous games to pick it up.

Most of the rest of it is up to marketing. Hopefully, they'll do a good job of getting info out there. If the game's released in Fall 2014, that means they'll be able to show off a lot (I would think at this point) at the next E3, which will certainly create a buzz.

One of the larger stumbling blocks it will have, I think, is that it's a fantasy game. I think fantasy is a harder sell to the audience at-large than sci-fi, which is why there are so many sci-fi games but not as many fantasy games. This is just a general perception, I don't have numbers to back this up.

Game of Thrones has opened that floodgame, and Skyrim shows you can make a casual fantasy game. Plus there are diehards for Dark Souls and The Witcher as well who swear by them, (I personally don't like Dark Souls and i'm indifferent on The Witcher, but its preference in the end). I think the hard sell it mostlly making it something fans are familiar with to the general senses of a "sandbox RPG".

The BioWare games were always linear by design, following the tropes of Final Fantasy more than Elder Scrolls. Nothing wrong with that either, there is a reason why those games are popular, the problem is the divide has gotten bigger between the camps of what is considered a viable model for a video game RPG, an artificial divide that is honestly silly to me personally, but who is counting? 

The marketing team is going to have to figure out how to promote the game on its merits. They did a good job so far by offering fanservice and no distinct gender for the PC. That trend should continue for now. 

[dreamgazer]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

The problem with the argument presented in the article, is that the last three major BioWare games, being DA2, ME3 and SWTOR, were not all disasters. DA2 was rushed, sure, but ME3, despite its problems, was still a great game, same as SWTOR.

ToR wasn't a disaster? 2nd most expensive game ever developed, and it started hemorrhaging subscribers after the first month and went free to play in under a year. That's not a disaster to you? Are you crazy?

That's a testament to the foolishness of entering the subscription-MMO market this late in the game. 

Apparently it's bounced back rather well after going F2P.

Didn't they close the Australia and Pacific Servers this year? I don't how well they've bounced back, but I'd say it's nowhere near the success that they wanted it to be.

http://massively.joy...of-star-wars-t/

Modifié par dreamgazer, 05 janvier 2014 - 05:52 .

[andar91]

Dabrikishaw wrote...

daveliam wrote...

I know that I'm apparently in the minority

You aren't, not by a long shot.

Yeah, I agree. I had issues with some stuff in DA2, but they're far from losing me as a customer, and I'm pumped for DA:I. It just feels like you're a minority because complainers can be very loud and get more coverage.

[Vilegrim]

Zkyire wrote...


Besides, the game, from the demo, looks to be head and shoulders above Origins and DA2.

in what way? They said they wouldn't have insane spamy combat: that was shown to be worse than DA2, and since that is about all we know, it looks worse than DA2, not better.  Graphically better sure, but DA2 was a far inferior game to DA:O , while having better graphics, hell it was a worse game than Baldurs Gate...

Modifié par Vilegrim, 05 janvier 2014 - 05:59 .

[andar91]

Vilegrim wrote...

Zkyire wrote...


Besides, the game, from the demo, looks to be head and shoulders above Origins and DA2.

in what way? They said they wouldn't have insane spamy combat: that was shown to be worse than DA2, and since that is about all we know, it looks worse than DA2, not better.

Are you saying the demo's combat looked insane and spamy? Cuz I thought the exact opposite.

[Vilegrim]

andar91 wrote...

Vilegrim wrote...

Zkyire wrote...


Besides, the game, from the demo, looks to be head and shoulders above Origins and DA2.

in what way? They said they wouldn't have insane spamy combat: that was shown to be worse than DA2, and since that is about all we know, it looks worse than DA2, not better.

Are you saying the demo's combat looked insane and spamy? Cuz I thought the exact opposite.

Yes, the ground Explodes as you swing a sword! NINJA DODGE ROLL ROFL! Harpoon YARR MATEY! Utter crap.

[vandalDX]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

http://www.forbes.co...ge-inquisition/

What do you think? Agree or Disagree?

The argument is presented fairly and uses good reasoning, but he forgets to consider the fact that BioWare is newly-structured studio at this point.  They have two separate locations, one of which has been dedicated to JUST DAI for the past 9 months, IIRC.  Montreal is Mass Effect Central.  They have carte blanche with development times, or at least something closer to it--see the "rush job" acknowledgement.  They have a new IP coming, and potentially another Star Wars game.

The article seems to voice thoughts that it seems that BioWare itself had previously.  Nothing we've seen with regard to DAI suggests any of the concerns that the article voices--the game looks, a year (or less) out, better than anything they've released.  The features--what few we've seen--already seem an improvement to other BioWare titles.  All of the concerns here are old hat, and none of them are based on what we've seen from the game so far.

To me, the article reads like an op-ed so Forbes doesn't take flak for hating on Bethesda.  BioWare, after the kickback from 2011 and 2012, is an apt but flawed target.

[The Elder King]

Vilegrim wrote...

Zkyire wrote...


Besides, the game, from the demo, looks to be head and shoulders above Origins and DA2.

in what way? They said they wouldn't have insane spamy combat: that was shown to be worse than DA2, and since that is about all we know, it looks worse than DA2, not better.  Graphically better sure, but DA2 was a far inferior game to DA:O , while having better graphics, hell it was a worse game than Baldurs Gate...

The speed animation was toned down from DA2. There are some over the top skills and animations, but it's something I had to accept since DAO. So I liked the combat part more than DA2.

[Dabrikishaw]

andar91 wrote...

Dabrikishaw wrote...

daveliam wrote...

I know that I'm apparently in the minority

You aren't, not by a long shot.

Yeah, I agree. I had issues with some stuff in DA2, but they're far from losing me as a customer, and I'm pumped for DA:I. It just feels like you're a minority because complainers can be very loud and get more coverage.

Well I was refering to the other psts in this thread, not my own opionion.

[LinksOcarina]

Vilegrim wrote...

andar91 wrote...

Vilegrim wrote...

Zkyire wrote...


Besides, the game, from the demo, looks to be head and shoulders above Origins and DA2.

in what way? They said they wouldn't have insane spamy combat: that was shown to be worse than DA2, and since that is about all we know, it looks worse than DA2, not better.

Are you saying the demo's combat looked insane and spamy? Cuz I thought the exact opposite.

Yes, the ground Explodes as you swing a sword! NINJA DODGE ROLL ROFL! Harpoon YARR MATEY! Utter crap.

then dont play it if you think its utter crap to make stuff more interactive. Go back to the random dice rolling where you can miss a guy at point blank range due to luck. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 05 janvier 2014 - 06:05 .

[andar91]

Vilegrim wrote...

andar91 wrote...

Vilegrim wrote...

Zkyire wrote...


Besides, the game, from the demo, looks to be head and shoulders above Origins and DA2.

in what way? They said they wouldn't have insane spamy combat: that was shown to be worse than DA2, and since that is about all we know, it looks worse than DA2, not better.

Are you saying the demo's combat looked insane and spamy? Cuz I thought the exact opposite.

Yes, the ground Explodes as you swing a sword! NINJA DODGE ROLL ROFL! Harpoon YARR MATEY! Utter crap.

The ground exploding was a bit much, but other than that, I had no issues. I thought it looked great. To each their own.

[Maconbar]

Is there any actual analysis in the Forbes article? I'm optimistic that it could be good but if it's bad that'll be bad but it'd be better if it's great.

[cJohnOne]

TOR wasn't a disaster in the sense that it could have done much worse and become a financial disaster so BioWare is able to move on to further games.

I seriously doubt that Battlefield 4 is a disaster like the article is claiming.

[Vilegrim]

cJohnOne wrote...

TOR wasn't a disaster in the sense that it could have done much worse and become a financial disaster so BioWare is able to move on to further games.

I seriously doubt that Battlefield 4 is a disaster like the article is claiming.

their are pending court cases about the launch, put it that way, alot of people lost alot of money on EA shares.

[Mathias]

dreamgazer wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

The problem with the argument presented in the article, is that the last three major BioWare games, being DA2, ME3 and SWTOR, were not all disasters. DA2 was rushed, sure, but ME3, despite its problems, was still a great game, same as SWTOR.

ToR wasn't a disaster? 2nd most expensive game ever developed, and it started hemorrhaging subscribers after the first month and went free to play in under a year. That's not a disaster to you? Are you crazy?

That's a testament to the foolishness of entering the subscription-MMO market this late in the game. 

Apparently it's bounced back rather well after going F2P.

Didn't they close the Australia and Pacific Servers this year? I don't how well they've bounced back, but I'd say it's nowhere near the success that they wanted it to be.

http://massively.joy...of-star-wars-t/

I first read that article on Reddit, and I'm just gonna quote a comment I read on there.

"Currently from this article we know that there's under 500k subs, and that the ~current (roughly) revenue is double than when it was f2p. Thats all.

Before f2p revenue = BF2p
Revenue after f2p = AF2p

All the article tells us is:(BF2p) x2 = (AF2p)We dont actually know exactly how much the revenue was before f2p, nor how much it is now after f2p (except that they are getting atleast the revenue from <500k subs). Its obviously incredibly safe to assume they are getting a good chunk of additional revenue on top of those <500k subs, but we dont know if its a huge amount or a small amount."

Congrats on them for keeping the game afloat, but again it's not the big success that would've justified the insane amount of money they poured into the game.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 05 janvier 2014 - 06:19 .

[lady_v23]

Ok.. so this is what I got from it.

"So we love Dragon Age Inquisition, we think the game is awesome. But we think the game is going to fail because....... uhm... anyway! we have really high hopes!"

They're just being annoying to get hits.

[Mathias]

lady_v23 wrote...

Ok.. so this is what I got from it.

"So we love Dragon Age Inquisition, we think the game is awesome. But we think the game is going to fail because....... uhm... anyway! we have really high hopes!"

They're just being annoying to get hits.

People keep saying this. It's one person and it's Erik Kain. This isn't Kotaku, Forbes is a respectable website.

[Travie]

cJohnOne wrote...

TOR wasn't a disaster in the sense that it could have done much worse and become a financial disaster so BioWare is able to move on to further games.

I seriously doubt that Battlefield 4 is a disaster like the article is claiming.

Battlefield 4 is a disaster in the sense that they lost the confidence of their userbase, not yet a financial disaster since it still is a popular franchise. If you've been paying attention to the community it's almost as bad as BSN after ME3 was released, and that's saying something!

It's the same situation as DA2, which was a financial success (mostly due to preorders) but sales started dropping off a cliff once word spread about its quality. 

Edit: I'd just echo what others have said about Forbes, they (especially their tech section) are an organization that is beyond repute. 

Modifié par Travie, 05 janvier 2014 - 06:24 .

[lady_v23]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

lady_v23 wrote...

Ok.. so this is what I got from it.

"So we love Dragon Age Inquisition, we think the game is awesome. But we think the game is going to fail because....... uhm... anyway! we have really high hopes!"

They're just being annoying to get hits.

People keep saying this. It's one person and it's Erik Kain. This isn't Kotaku, Forbes is a respectable website.

Yea.  they are a respectable website.  It does not mean they can't being annoying to get hits.

Modifié par lady_v23, 05 janvier 2014 - 06:26 .

[LinksOcarina]

Travie wrote...

Battlefield 4 is a disaster in the sense that they lost the confidence of their userbase, not yet a financial disaster since it still is a popular franchise. If you've been paying attention to the community it's almost as bad as BSN after ME3 was released, and that's saying something!

It's the same situation as DA2, which was a financial success (mostly due to preorders) but sales started dropping off a cliff once word spread about its quality. 

Edit: I'd just echo what others have said about Forbes, they (especially their tech section) are an organization that is beyond repute. 

I'm calling shenannigans on that. No one is beyond repute. As I said I expect better from Kain. This time he simply missed the mark completely, and it shows.