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[lady_v23]

Liamv2 wrote...

Lol at forbes being a respectable website.

Just because they report on politics as well as games doesn't make them any less laughable when they write something that has been getting spewed out constantly since ME3's release.

they sort of are.  But not when it comes to gaming.

[Shevy]

Expected more from a Forbes article, he doesn't back up his worries about DA:I with arguments other than "yeah, the last three games were disasters" which is pretty shallow.

Of course, the latest products of companies are always the ones that stay in mind and how you're going to predict the quality of the new ones, but I hoped he'd back up his point of view of DA:I with things he saw of it, which are not many.


I don't think that another failure like DA II ( of which we only know it failed on a reputation basis, maybe it was financially profitable) would seriously hurt BioWare or EA as a company, but I wouldn't see a continuation of the DA franchise. Bringing back a series after one mistake is a challenging task but feasible, after two it would be nearly impossible.

[AlanC9]

Talking about whether a journalist is repectable or not is a fool's game.

The article in question does seem a bit hysterical, though.

Modifié par AlanC9, 05 janvier 2014 - 07:18 .

[Mathias]

AlanC9 wrote...

Talking about whether a journalist is repectable or not is a fool's game.

The article in question does seem a bit hysterical, though.

Why?

[Billy-the-Squid]

Ahhh Forbes, personally I prefer the Financial Times for my economy and business news. Less opinion and more fact, and when there is an opinion, it clearly says Analyst opinion based on this data. Plus there's not games rubbish in it, unless it's dealing with the Activision Vivendi buyback or some such thing.

As to Kain, his piece was vague and wishy washy and drew no conclusions, nor made points which no one who thinks for more than 5 seconds wouldn't come to anyway. A few pieces I've read of his are of a better quality, I think this one was more of a page filler than an actual article.

Really who here doesn't already know or isn't aware that:

-Bioware's reputation is tarnished after the previous 3 release.
-DA2 was regarded as a poor rushed job by a significant number who then jumped ship to TW2
-ME3 was controversial and had mixed reception (really that was a point Kain?)
-TOR was a mess, which cost significantly more investment than was warranted, based on returns.
-DA:I needs to be a great game, not just passable because of the competition of TW3/ repair confidence in the brand.

Who hasn't been aware of this^?

Modifié par Tequila Cat, 05 janvier 2014 - 07:24 .

[Raging_Pulse]

I can't see DA:I as a disaster. I just... can't.

From all that we know about the game thus far, Inquisition is basically a living and breathing summation, an epitome of constructive criticism and fan feedback from Dragon Age 2. From both previous games, actually. The developers themselves acknowledge and openly talk about it. Not only that, but I remember more than one dev saying that Dragon Age Inquisition is the game they were always striving to make. As an added plus, the Marketing team also looks like it learned it's lesson.

Nothing is ever guaranteed, but if all of that effort will not be enough for DA:I to, at the very least match the financial and critical success of DA: Origins... then I don't know what would.

Modifié par Domecoming, 05 janvier 2014 - 07:27 .

[Raging_Pulse]

Double post.

Modifié par Domecoming, 05 janvier 2014 - 07:27 .

[Angrywolves]

MasterScribe wrote...

chuckles471 wrote...

It's not Bioware as a company that is at risk. They have Mass Effect so are pretty safe right now as a name that EA wants to use to sell games.

Realistically, the Mass Effect IP has greater weight to it than BioWare itself.

EA could very well move development of any future installments to one of its other subsidiaries.

The average consumer wouldn't know the difference.

So I guess that's why EA tried to change Dead Space 3 into another mass Effect ?
Rotfl.

Let's face it, Bioware is on thin ice.If DAI flops the DA franchise is toast.If ME4 flops the ME franchise is toast.

Just the way things are.

[Angrywolves]

preposterous.
Bioware is in the most jeopardy it has ever been in.:innocent:

But players can and do disagree, so we'll see.

Modifié par Angrywolves, 05 janvier 2014 - 07:30 .

[Billy-the-Squid]

Domecoming wrote...

I can't see DA:I as a disaster. I just... can't.

From all that we know about the game thus far, Inquisition is basically a living and breathing summation, an epitome of constructive criticism and fan feedback from Dragon Age 2. From both previous games, actually. The developers themselves acknowledge and openly talk about it. Not only that, but I remember more than one dev saying that Dragon Age Inquisition is the game they were always striving to make. As an added plus, the Marketing team also looks like it learned it's lesson.

Nothing is ever guaranteed, but if all of that effort will not be enough for DA:I to, at the very least match the financial and critical success of DA: Origins... then I don't know what would.

Really? Wow you must have such untramelled sight to see into the future, because what I've seen is a half hour video which doesn't really amount to enough to call how it will turn out.

They also siad a lot in DA2... look how that turned out.

Hahahaha. EA marketing Hhahahahahahaha. Oh wow. Thanks

Modifié par Tequila Cat, 05 janvier 2014 - 07:37 .

[Han Shot First]

Calling Bioware's last few releases 'disasters' is stretching things more than a bit. The controversies surrounding DA2 being rushed and ME3's ending might have dented Bioware's reputation, but both games were commercial successes. They made money. In the case of ME3, it was Bioware's best selling Mass Effect game. Really the only recent Bioware release that could accurately be called a disaster is SWTOR.

As for DA:I I don't think the game needs to be amazing to salvage Bioware's rep. It just needs to be good. And I don't think Bioware is finished if it isn't.

[Raven489]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

The damage to Bioware's reputation lately shouldn't be exaggerated. Mass Effect as a whole is still a series with a high reputation that's still alive in fans memories, DA:O still has a following and of course their back catalogue is great

A genuinely bad game would of course be a problem, but I think there are a lot of people who'd love to have something to get positive about,

Maybe DA:I will change that.

I loved Mass Effect to the point where it was my favorite video game series. But the thing that sticks out the most is how badly they botched the ending, and the PR mess that followed after. It was a blemish on the series to me, and I hope ME4 is it's own seperate story that doesn't even address Shepard or the "Shepard Incident" in ME3. I just want to forget ME3 exists and get back into that universe and love it again.

Oh gosh, now I'm starting to regret buying the ME Trilogy today. If the ending for ME 3 sucked so bad I don't think I want to play it.

[Angrywolves]

Han Shot First wrote...

Calling Bioware's last few releases 'disasters' is stretching things more than a bit. The controversies surrounding DA2 being rushed and ME3's ending might have dented Bioware's reputation, but both games were commercial successes. They made money. In the case of ME3, it was Bioware's best selling Mass Effect game. Really the only recent Bioware release that could accurately be called a disaster is SWTOR.

As for DA:I I don't think the game needs to be amazing to salvage Bioware's rep. It just needs to be good. And I don't think Bioware is finished if it isn't.

DAI has to be a good success.

whatever that means, however it is defined.If DAI flops it isn't the end of Bioware but the end of the DA franchise.


MEs  rep isn't that good if you read youtube comments and read other forums btw.

Modifié par Angrywolves, 05 janvier 2014 - 07:43 .

[JoltDealer]

Mass Effect 3 was not a terrible game. Yes, it had a controversial ending, but the rest of the game was stellar. The combat gameplay was the best of the series and the story, sans the last half-hour of the game, was a great send-off that was made even better with subsequent DLC releases. Dragon Age 2, while nowhere near as good as Origins, was still far better than half of the other games I played that year. As for the Old Republic, there was financial failure, but the game itself was rather enjoyable.

Dragon Age Inquisition, solely based on what we've seen of the game so far, has given me no reason not to think it's going to be a great game. They've shown us amazing graphics, smooth gameplay, and they've incorporated almost all of the fan feedback they've received. The dialogue has a "Preview" option of sorts! Playable races are back! And they've added mounts!

How is Bioware supposed to make a comeback if we, as fans, don't give them a chance?

[daveliam]

Raven489 wrote...

Oh gosh, now I'm starting to regret buying the ME Trilogy today. If the ending for ME 3 sucked so bad I don't think I want to play it.

The ending for ME 3 was fine.  Yeah, it didn't have a "happy ending" and all roads converged at some point, but it wasn't nearly as bad as the hype made it out to be.  I'm not a fan of Duex Ex Machina, but they are common in epic storytelling.  The ending wasn't amazing, but it wasn't that bad and it certainly didn't ruin the series for me.  I tend to think that it's a case of mass hysteria where people just piled on because people love to complain.  BSNers are some of the worst, too.

[Angrywolves]

"Mass Effect 3 was not a terrible game. Yes, it had a controversial ending, but the rest of the game was stellar. "?

Really ? Not according to some other players.

Modifié par Angrywolves, 05 janvier 2014 - 07:39 .

[Billy-the-Squid]

Crimson Sound wrote...

How is Bioware supposed to make a comeback if we, as fans, don't give them a chance?

They had their chances, they screwed up and burnt their bridges. Now it's time to make some new ones, so no more benefit of the doubts. 

[daveliam]

Angrywolves wrote...

"Mass Effect 3 was not a terrible game. Yes, it had a controversial ending, but the rest of the game was stellar. "?

Really ? Not according to some other players.

Ugh.  It's called an opinion.  Someone posted that they are having second thoughts about the series because of the doom and gloom posts about ME 3's ending.  Other posters are just giving their opinion, which opposes the first.  Both are valid, because they are opinions.  

[Angrywolves]

yup all opinions are valid.Rotfl.

[CynicalShep]

DA:I is important in relation to the DA universe but hardly Bioware's "last saving grace". I, for one, will buy it regardless. I highly doubt that I will preorder it unless there are some serious incentives to do so but I will get it even if the reviews are less than stellar. The amount I'll be willing to pay for it depends on said reviews (written by people, not IGNs and other misc PR machines).

As about the article itself - I'm with a few other people on this one. Forbes has 2 types of articles - actual reporting and click wh0ring. This is definitely the latter.

[Mathias]

Raven489 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

The damage to Bioware's reputation lately shouldn't be exaggerated. Mass Effect as a whole is still a series with a high reputation that's still alive in fans memories, DA:O still has a following and of course their back catalogue is great

A genuinely bad game would of course be a problem, but I think there are a lot of people who'd love to have something to get positive about,

Maybe DA:I will change that.

I loved Mass Effect to the point where it was my favorite video game series. But the thing that sticks out the most is how badly they botched the ending, and the PR mess that followed after. It was a blemish on the series to me, and I hope ME4 is it's own seperate story that doesn't even address Shepard or the "Shepard Incident" in ME3. I just want to forget ME3 exists and get back into that universe and love it again.

Oh gosh, now I'm starting to regret buying the ME Trilogy today. If the ending for ME 3 sucked so bad I don't think I want to play it.

Just make sure you have Leviathan and Extended Cut installed, and then hope for the best. Some of the newcomers of Mass Effect who have the DLC installed, have a better experience than those of us who played it when it first came out. So there's a chance you won't hate the ending.

[vandalDX]

Angrywolves wrote...

"Mass Effect 3 was not a terrible game. Yes, it had a controversial ending, but the rest of the game was stellar. "?

Really ? Not according to some other players.

This situation is not unique to BioWare.  They may have more impassioned, vocal and feedback-oriented  fans, but player consensus on a narrative video game is not going to happen.