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[Mathias]

Crimson Sound wrote...

Mass Effect 3 was not a terrible game. Yes, it had a controversial ending, but the rest of the game was stellar. The combat gameplay was the best of the series and the story, sans the last half-hour of the game, was a great send-off that was made even better with subsequent DLC releases. Dragon Age 2, while nowhere near as good as Origins, was still far better than half of the other games I played that year. As for the Old Republic, there was financial failure, but the game itself was rather enjoyable.

Dragon Age Inquisition, solely based on what we've seen of the game so far, has given me no reason not to think it's going to be a great game. They've shown us amazing graphics, smooth gameplay, and they've incorporated almost all of the fan feedback they've received. The dialogue has a "Preview" option of sorts! Playable races are back! And they've added mounts!

How is Bioware supposed to make a comeback if we, as fans, don't give them a chance?

Sorry I can't agree with that. ME3 was littered with tons of problems even before the ending hit. 

[lady_v23]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Raven489 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

The damage to Bioware's reputation lately shouldn't be exaggerated. Mass Effect as a whole is still a series with a high reputation that's still alive in fans memories, DA:O still has a following and of course their back catalogue is great

A genuinely bad game would of course be a problem, but I think there are a lot of people who'd love to have something to get positive about,

Maybe DA:I will change that.

I loved Mass Effect to the point where it was my favorite video game series. But the thing that sticks out the most is how badly they botched the ending, and the PR mess that followed after. It was a blemish on the series to me, and I hope ME4 is it's own seperate story that doesn't even address Shepard or the "Shepard Incident" in ME3. I just want to forget ME3 exists and get back into that universe and love it again.

Oh gosh, now I'm starting to regret buying the ME Trilogy today. If the ending for ME 3 sucked so bad I don't think I want to play it.

Just make sure you have Leviathan and Extended Cut installed, and then hope for the best. Some of the newcomers of Mass Effect who have the DLC installed, have a better experience than those of us who played it when it first came out. So there's a chance you won't hate the ending.

+2

and If you play renegade (ftw) you can also download 'Omega'

[dreamgazer]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

ME3 was littered with tons of problems even before the ending hit. 

So were the other games in the trilogy. 

[Angrywolves]

true that.

Angry Joe's rant notwithstanding.

You go to other forums and read the I hate EA stuff and that EA killed Bioware and you get tired of it.But it's out there.
Should be interesting to see how it effects the sales of DAI and ME4, if it really does.

"Sorry I can't agree with that. ME3 was littered with tons of problems even before the ending hit. "

That's what I've ALWAYS heard.

Modifié par Angrywolves, 05 janvier 2014 - 07:47 .

[ames4u]

Bioware can make great games, but the question is will they? Time will tell.

I must admit that I feel the same way as the OP. There is that excitment as well that it may in turn out to be great,
but there are a few statements and little things in the gameplay that Bioware have released so far that have me more than a little worried. For me, it isn't a question of whether I will buy DAI; it is a question of whether I will buy DAI brand new or second hand. My choice will of course depend on the overall response from those who play the game and not the game review sites who I wouldn't trust with a bowl full of jello.

They have made effort, that much is obvious; but how much of the overall content will remain in-game is another question entirely.

Modifié par ames4u, 05 janvier 2014 - 07:49 .

[duckley]

I thoroughly enjoyed all the ME games - loved DA:O and had fun with DA2. I don't think Bioware's reputation is in shambles in the minds of most. Regardless it would be nice if DA:I was universally loved - I really enjoy so much of Bioware's games (the stories, the companions, the writing!) that I would hate to see it go bye-bye.

I think people will love DA:I generally.

As for me personally... the more I hear about the game, the less I think I am going to love it. I don't like the "save the village or the keep" approach, Vivienne sounds like another lunatic companion, I am afraid there will be too many thick phoney Orlesian accents, and the game may be too sandboxy for my liking (games that are very expansive tend to have too many glitches that need fixes). But them is the breaks - not all of us will love it and not all of us will hate regardless of the sales, the ratings the reviews...etc

[ruggly]

Raven489 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

The damage to Bioware's reputation lately shouldn't be exaggerated. Mass Effect as a whole is still a series with a high reputation that's still alive in fans memories, DA:O still has a following and of course their back catalogue is great

A genuinely bad game would of course be a problem, but I think there are a lot of people who'd love to have something to get positive about,

Maybe DA:I will change that.

I loved Mass Effect to the point where it was my favorite video game series. But the thing that sticks out the most is how badly they botched the ending, and the PR mess that followed after. It was a blemish on the series to me, and I hope ME4 is it's own seperate story that doesn't even address Shepard or the "Shepard Incident" in ME3. I just want to forget ME3 exists and get back into that universe and love it again.

Oh gosh, now I'm starting to regret buying the ME Trilogy today. If the ending for ME 3 sucked so bad I don't think I want to play it.

Best to play it anyways and come up with your own thoughts on it.

[daveliam]

Angrywolves wrote...

yup all opinions are valid.Rotfl.

You're kidding right?  You realize that you are talking about a subjective subject.  You say it was terrible and give your reasons why you think that.  I saw it wasn't terrible and give my reasons why I think that.  Neither are right or wrong inherently because it's subjective. 

DA 2 was not a complete commercial bomb, although it didn't have amazing sales.  That didn't effect people buying ME 3, which was a commercial success.  We'll have to wait to see if people stop buying Bioware games with DA: I.  I don't think they will.  I think most of the complaining is from people who really like to complain but, ulitmately, will vote with their money and buy the game.

[CynicalShep]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

DA:I is important in relation to the DA universe but hardly Bioware's "last saving grace". I, for one, will buy it regardless. I highly doubt that I will preorder it unless there are some serious incentives to do so but I will get it even if the reviews are less than stellar. The amount I'll be willing to pay for it depends on said reviews (written by people, not IGNs and other misc PR machines).

As about the article itself - I'm with a few other people on this one. Forbes has 2 types of articles - actual reporting and click wh0ring. This is definitely the latter.

Has there ever really been a situation where a game was a studio's last chance?

Oh, I'm sure it has happened more than once. I just don't know the industry well enough to give you examples. Common sense has it that at least a few studios were in a financial situation bad enough that they had to gamble on one last hoorah.

[vandalDX]

Raven489 wrote...

Oh gosh, now I'm starting to regret buying the ME Trilogy today. If the ending for ME 3 sucked so bad I don't think I want to play it.

Don't let the kickback or hype get to you--the gamplay and the story will both challenge you, but for my money it's the best example of how storytelling can and does function in an interactive environment.  Even the repsonses to The Ending are a testimony to how great the franchise is--if it wasn't no one would have cared as muchas they do.

Oh, and as someone mentioned earlier, play Leviathan 

[Deflagratio]

I still think anyone who considered Mass Effect 3 a failure because of a poor and incomplete ending (Pre-Extended Cut) is a tosser.

Also, I have to question the author's understanding of the industry and medium if he lumps in The Old Republic with Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3... The Old Republic was Bioware Austin, no more related to the Mass Effect/Dragon Age teams than Bethesda's core studio (Bethesda Game Studios) is with the MMO Branch Zenimax Online. They may share personnel and technical assets to a degree, but they're largely independent form one another.

[Angrywolves]

MasterScribe wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

DA:I is important in relation to the DA universe but hardly Bioware's "last saving grace". I, for one, will buy it regardless. I highly doubt that I will preorder it unless there are some serious incentives to do so but I will get it even if the reviews are less than stellar. The amount I'll be willing to pay for it depends on said reviews (written by people, not IGNs and other misc PR machines).

As about the article itself - I'm with a few other people on this one. Forbes has 2 types of articles - actual reporting and click wh0ring. This is definitely the latter.

Has there ever really been a situation where a game was a studio's last chance?

It depends on the willingness of the parent company to continue funding a studio's endeavors.

DAI was given an extension on its budget. EA is clearly desperate for a hit. If it isn't financially successful, then I doubt BioWare will be developing Dragon Age anymore.

Members of the DA team will likely be layed off (or quit) or be reassigned to the ME team.

This.

You can read what happened to the Dead Space 3 team.

Could it happen to the DA team ? Of course.It is EA after all.

But I still believe DAI will be a big success.:innocent:

[Mathias]

dreamgazer wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

ME3 was littered with tons of problems even before the ending hit. 

So were the other games in the trilogy. 

I found ME3's problems to be much worse.

[Deflagratio]

I'll point out that the Forbes Article also assumes the market ideology of Multiplayer shooters and MMOs are the same as the single player RPG realm. As in, people usually buy one and "stick with it", which almost always isn't the case.

So saying Dragon Age: Inquisition is "Competing" with The Witcher 3 is just plain wrong. In the world of Single Player RPGs which are decidedly finite experiences, there's no pressure when it comes to coexisting in the market space. Outside of the extremely small percentage of people in that rare financial bracket where they can afford the Hardware to play the software, yet only afford one software title that year.

[Malanek]

It's interesting. I don't actually think any of DA2, ME3 or SWTOR were bad games and I'm not sure any of them were financial disasters.

SWTOR is probably most at risk of being a financial failure given massive development costs but the game stabilised and since started growing again in terms of numbers and revenue. I've just started playing it again (played at launch) and it is a much better game.

DA2 had issues in terms of reused maps and a pretty questionable story for the third chapter but I still enjoyed the game and thought the character writing was amongst their best.

ME3 had a poor ending (and imo overall plot) but I thought the rest of the game was easily the most emotionally tugging game ever made. And I've played more than 1100 hours of multiplayer which speaks for itself.

So I think there were issues with all three games, definitely stuff they can learn from, but the writer of that article simply ignores the successes to reach what I believe is a completely misleading picture of reality.

[Mathias]

>The Dialogue system was gutted like a fish, causing you to have less control over your Shepard. In the goddamn finale of the trilogy btw.
>Journal system somehow got worse.
>Most sidequests were a bunch of scanning fetch quests, and quick little battles with almost no story on MP maps.
>Kai Leng
>Many of the character arcs were handled very poorly.
>Day 1 DLC for a Prothean.
>Final mission was incredibly underwhelming and rushed.
>Most of you choices didn't amount to anything, and were tossed aside as points of a poorly designed War Asset mechanic.

I was pretty annoyed with a lot of things in ME3 before I even got to the ending. ME1 had some problems, but I can easily forgive those because it was the first game in the series.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 05 janvier 2014 - 08:06 .

[Dabrikishaw]

 I don't think you can call Inquisition a possible disaster because after DA2 no one has any negative expectations for the new one. At the absolute worst it'll be what everyone expected.

Modifié par Dabrikishaw, 05 janvier 2014 - 08:16 .

[LinksOcarina]

Angrywolves wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

DA:I is important in relation to the DA universe but hardly Bioware's "last saving grace". I, for one, will buy it regardless. I highly doubt that I will preorder it unless there are some serious incentives to do so but I will get it even if the reviews are less than stellar. The amount I'll be willing to pay for it depends on said reviews (written by people, not IGNs and other misc PR machines).

As about the article itself - I'm with a few other people on this one. Forbes has 2 types of articles - actual reporting and click wh0ring. This is definitely the latter.

Has there ever really been a situation where a game was a studio's last chance?

It depends on the willingness of the parent company to continue funding a studio's endeavors.

DAI was given an extension on its budget. EA is clearly desperate for a hit. If it isn't financially successful, then I doubt BioWare will be developing Dragon Age anymore.

Members of the DA team will likely be layed off (or quit) or be reassigned to the ME team.

This.

You can read what happened to the Dead Space 3 team.

Could it happen to the DA team ? Of course.It is EA after all.

But I still believe DAI will be a big success.:innocent:

Actually...nothing really happened with the Dead Space team. The original report was exaggerated and possibly falsified for sensastionalism in the end. Last I checked, Visceral still has the team that made Dead Space. The difference is they aren't making a new Dead Space game right now.

Also, how is giving them an extension desperation for a hit exactly? If anything that shows confidence in the product, not to mention the fact that they took feedback from developers and consumers into account regarding the development time. If they were desperate, they would launch it in March. 

[Seboist]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

ME3 was littered with tons of problems even before the ending hit. 

So were the other games in the trilogy. 

I found ME3's problems to be much worse.

Nah, ME3 manages to be a more competent shooter than the previous two and unlike ME2, has a plot that advances the overarching story.

It also has multiplayer, another plus.

[Raven489]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

>The Dialogue system was gutted like a fish, causing you to have less control over your Shepard. In the goddamn finale of the trilogy btw.
>Journal system somehow got worse.
>Most sidequests were a bunch of scanning fetch quests, and quick little battles with almost no story on MP maps.
>Kai Leng
>Many of the character arcs were handled very poorly.
>Day 1 DLC for a Prothean.
>Final mission was incredibly underwhelming and rushed.
>Most of you choices didn't amount to anything, and were tossed aside as points of a poorly designed War Asset mechanic.

I was pretty annoyed with a lot of things in ME3 before I even got to the ending. ME1 had some problems, but I can easily forgive those because it was the first game in the series.

Well my copy is still sealed, so there's a 99% chance it's going back to Gamestop, lol!

[Angrywolves]

daveliam wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

yup all opinions are valid.Rotfl.

You're kidding right?  You realize that you are talking about a subjective subject.  You say it was terrible and give your reasons why you think that.  I saw it wasn't terrible and give my reasons why I think that.  Neither are right or wrong inherently because it's subjective. 

DA 2 was not a complete commercial bomb, although it didn't have amazing sales.  That didn't effect people buying ME 3, which was a commercial success.  We'll have to wait to see if people stop buying Bioware games with DA: I.  I don't think they will.  I think most of the complaining is from people who really like to complain but, ulitmately, will vote with their money and buy the game.

The proof is in the pudding.
Subjectivity aside.

Subjectivity btw shoudn't be used as an excuse for a poor product, production mistakes, errors in judgement concerning aspects of the game by the developers, stuff like that.My guess is tthose who criticize ME3 would denyt they're being subjective and sday they opinions are based upon errors the ME team made.

I never said ME3 was terrible.You have me confused with another poster.All I said was it had problems besides just the ending. My opinion is it's a shooter with RPG ELEMENTS and isn't really an rpg.But that's just my opinon.Feel free to have your own.Rotfl.

"ctually...nothing really happened with the Dead Space team. The original
report was exaggerated and possibly falsified for sensastionalism in
the end. Last I checked, Visceral still has the team that made Dead
Space. The difference is they aren't making a new Dead Space game right
now."

You're clearly wrong Occarina but believe whatever you like.

Modifié par Angrywolves, 05 janvier 2014 - 08:20 .