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[Sanunes]

Domecoming wrote...

I can't see DA:I as a disaster. I just... can't.

From all that we know about the game thus far, Inquisition is basically a living and breathing summation, an epitome of constructive criticism and fan feedback from Dragon Age 2. From both previous games, actually. The developers themselves acknowledge and openly talk about it. Not only that, but I remember more than one dev saying that Dragon Age Inquisition is the game they were always striving to make. As an added plus, the Marketing team also looks like it learned it's lesson.

Nothing is ever guaranteed, but if all of that effort will not be enough for DA:I to, at the very least match the financial and critical success of DA: Origins... then I don't know what would.

I do think you hit the nail on the head with a lot of the problems with BioWare's recent games and that is the marketing and social media.  If you look at a lot of the negativity for Mass Effect 3 besides the ending it was a lot of "they lied to us" and "but you said this" from comments from either marketing or social media.  With Dragon Age: Inquisition there have been a couple of comments made, but a lot of it is being kept quiet and I really appricate that and in fact its making me want to learn more when its ready to be known.

As far as being a disaster, I really don't think BioWare has had any including The Old Republic, but they probably had disappointments.  Its the same as SquarEnix calling the latest Tomb Raider a failure, but it actually did really well it just didn't live up to a near impossible target of selling seven million copies (I can't remember if it was the 2013 or Underworld game that had that target).

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Seboist wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

ME3 was littered with tons of problems even before the ending hit. 

So were the other games in the trilogy. 

I found ME3's problems to be much worse.

Nah, ME3 manages to be a more competent shooter than the previous two and unlike ME2, has a plot that advances the overarching story.

It also has multiplayer, another plus.

Disagree. ME3 is what broke the franchise for me, and more than just the ending.

Whereas despite ME2's flaws, I consider it the best in the franchise, and the best game I have ever personally played.

[Shevy]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

DA:I is important in relation to the DA universe but hardly Bioware's "last saving grace". I, for one, will buy it regardless. I highly doubt that I will preorder it unless there are some serious incentives to do so but I will get it even if the reviews are less than stellar. The amount I'll be willing to pay for it depends on said reviews (written by people, not IGNs and other misc PR machines).

As about the article itself - I'm with a few other people on this one. Forbes has 2 types of articles - actual reporting and click wh0ring. This is definitely the latter.

Has there ever really been a situation where a game was a studio's last chance?

Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning was 38 Studios' first and last chance on the same time to generate enough money to finish the KoA-MMO. After it failed to hit the sales it had to, the studio was disbanded.

And there were some other in the past.

As for BioWare as a company, I doubt DA:I is even somewhere near "last chance", but for the franchise and the allowance to make a hypothetical DA IV I would categorize it as this.

[dreamgazer]

Raven489 wrote...

Well my copy is still sealed, so there's a 99% chance it's going back to Gamestop, lol!

That's a shame. Despite the series' universal flaws and exaggerated favoritism/cynicism from BSNites, it's still an enjoyable experience.

[ghostzodd]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

Travie wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

This isn't Kotaku, Forbes is a respectable website.

Based on what criteria, exactly? 

A long history of journalistic integrity. They are one of the few sites in which the phrase 'videogame journalism' can be said without irony. 

There is only one person who can be considered a gaming journalist, Jim Sterling

Yeah...no

Yeah......Yes:D

[JamieCOTC]

There is this odd "all or nothing" idea about DA:I, that if it flops, that's it for BW. At worst there will be a slight chipping away at the fanbase if their games continue to disappoint but I doubt even that. Personally I believe the fanbase will change rather than shrink and BW will endure no matter what they do.

[LinksOcarina]

Travie wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Travie wrote...

Edit: I'd just echo what others have said about Forbes, they (especially their tech section) are an organization that is beyond repute. 

I'm calling shenannigans on that. No one is beyond repute. As I said I expect better from Kain. This time he simply missed the mark completely, and it shows. 

In what way? His reasoning was sound and it's an issue that people have been talking about alot, even on these forums. 

The problem is he had no reasoning. It was assumption based upon subjectivity of the past game releases.

If we were showing a video of Inquisition where the game was not up to snuff and he can point out issues from there, then I would say he did due dilligence in the end.

But its honestly moot because the issue itself is overblown, its sensationalism to generate a perception of interest to tell a story.

Let me put it this way, Kain is setting up a storyline that will have two conclusions, either "I told you so" if the game is bad, or "Its better than I thought." if the game is good. This article alone is basically saying "The game could be bad and too much is riding on it." It's basically giving drama to something that isen't there.

That is a problem I have with this type of op-ed, it serves little purpose but to rattle the hornets nest. I want a well reasoned argument, not suppositon on assumptions. Once again, I know Kain can do that, he has in the past. He didn't here. 

[ghostzodd]

JamieCOTC wrote...

There is this odd "all or nothing" idea about DA:I, that if it flops, that's it for BW. At worst there will be a slight chipping away at the fanbase if their games continue to disappoint but I doubt even that. Personally I believe the fanbase will change rather than shrink and BW will endure no matter what they do.

Well people could get layed off if the game does not sell well like what happen at visceral games with Dead Space 3

[Wissenschaft]

Oh hyperbole, you've made so many friends recently.

DA2 sold decently and ME3 is still being played for its MP (OMG, wasn't MP suppose to destroy the game?). The only game, sells wise, that flopped was TOR. Even if DA:I is just decent and not stellar, Bioware will be fine financially.

I won't believe the hype that so many fans have been burned until I see it reflected in the sells numbers. 

This reminds me of all the rage over the Xbone and yet its still keeping up with the PS4.

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 05 janvier 2014 - 08:26 .

[daveliam]

Raven489 wrote...

Well my copy is still sealed, so there's a 99% chance it's going back to Gamestop, lol!

I would at least give it a try.  I think the ME series is one of the strongest game series that I've ever played.  I think you should try it and form your own opinion.

[LinksOcarina]

ghostzodd wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

Travie wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

This isn't Kotaku, Forbes is a respectable website.

Based on what criteria, exactly? 

A long history of journalistic integrity. They are one of the few sites in which the phrase 'videogame journalism' can be said without irony. 

There is only one person who can be considered a gaming journalist, Jim Sterling

Yeah...no

Yeah......Yes:D

To be fair, Jim Sterling is a tool, and most game journalists are tools in the end.

And yes, Sterling is terrible. The issue though is he does it on purpose because of his character on his video show (which is annoying) and his opinions basically go nowhere but pander to the sensabilities of the audience.

Good journalism is hard to come by. I strive to be good but I make mistakes all the time, and get flak for my editorials too. But I don't let it bother me too much because in the end its trying to start, or maintain, an important converrsation while giving ideas on how to change things. That is good opinion writing, and that is just for editorials really. 

[dreamgazer]

Hyperbole is the most entertaining thing ever.

[Shevy]

Angrywolves wrote...


"ctually...nothing really happened with the Dead Space team. The original
report was exaggerated and possibly falsified for sensastionalism in
the end. Last I checked, Visceral still has the team that made Dead
Space. The difference is they aren't making a new Dead Space game right
now."

You're clearly wrong Occarina but believe whatever you like.

LinksOcarina is actually correct. The team isn't disbanded, only the IP rests on ice.

[LinksOcarina]

Shevy_001 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

DA:I is important in relation to the DA universe but hardly Bioware's "last saving grace". I, for one, will buy it regardless. I highly doubt that I will preorder it unless there are some serious incentives to do so but I will get it even if the reviews are less than stellar. The amount I'll be willing to pay for it depends on said reviews (written by people, not IGNs and other misc PR machines).

As about the article itself - I'm with a few other people on this one. Forbes has 2 types of articles - actual reporting and click wh0ring. This is definitely the latter.

Has there ever really been a situation where a game was a studio's last chance?

Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning was 38 Studios' first and last chance on the same time to generate enough money to finish the KoA-MMO. After it failed to hit the sales it had to, the studio was disbanded.

And there were some other in the past.

As for BioWare as a company, I doubt DA:I is even somewhere near "last chance", but for the franchise and the allowance to make a hypothetical DA IV I would categorize it as this.

Alamur was a special scenario because Curt Schilling, while a nice guy, is a terrible businessman. He made a deal he couldn't keep and it burned the company. They were going to release the MMO anyway, the reason the company went under was because their lease deal in Rhode Island couldn't be funded first. That is an issue of mismanagement, not sales expectations.

A better example would be THQ. They never fully recovered from the U Draw and the last two years was basically doing what they can to stay afloat, including gutting all but their top selling I.Ps. They actually did a small turnaround for a few months but it was not enough and they gut piecemealed out as we saw. 

[Angrywolves]

JamieCOTC wrote...

There is this odd "all or nothing" idea about DA:I, that if it flops, that's it for BW. At worst there will be a slight chipping away at the fanbase if their games continue to disappoint but I doubt even that. Personally I believe the fanbase will change rather than shrink and BW will endure no matter what they do.

No one is saying it's the end for BW.It will likely be the end for DA though.:innocent:

[Wissenschaft]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Hyperbole is the most entertaining thing ever.

This is the most ironic statement ever.

 

Ironic in what way? 

And yeah, the U Draw was an incredibly stupid idea.

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 05 janvier 2014 - 08:34 .

[Angrywolves]

Shevy_001 wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...


"ctually...nothing really happened with the Dead Space team. The original
report was exaggerated and possibly falsified for sensastionalism in
the end. Last I checked, Visceral still has the team that made Dead
Space. The difference is they aren't making a new Dead Space game right
now."

You're clearly wrong Occarina but believe whatever you like.

LinksOcarina is actually correct. The team isn't disbanded, only the IP rests on ice.

 links and proof ? Where is yours.Turnabout is fair play.:innocent:

[ghostzodd]

LinksOcarina wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

ghostzodd wrote...

Travie wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

This isn't Kotaku, Forbes is a respectable website.

Based on what criteria, exactly? 

A long history of journalistic integrity. They are one of the few sites in which the phrase 'videogame journalism' can be said without irony. 

There is only one person who can be considered a gaming journalist, Jim Sterling

Yeah...no

Yeah......Yes:D

To be fair, Jim Sterling is a tool, and most game journalists are tools in the end.

And yes, Sterling is terrible. The issue though is he does it on purpose because of his character on his video show (which is annoying) and his opinions basically go nowhere but pander to the sensabilities of the audience.

Good journalism is hard to come by. I strive to be good but I make mistakes all the time, and get flak for my editorials too. But I don't let it bother me too much because in the end its trying to start, or maintain, an important converrsation while giving ideas on how to change things. That is good opinion writing, and that is just for editorials really. 

Considering he puts companies/publishers on blast for the ridiculous stuff they do? No Jim sterling is not terrible. I will admit though he acts clownish at times.

[JoltDealer]

Tequila Cat wrote...

Crimson Sound wrote...

How is Bioware supposed to make a comeback if we, as fans, don't give them a chance?

They had their chances, they screwed up and burnt their bridges. Now it's time to make some new ones, so no more benefit of the doubts. 

You misunderstand me.  I'm not saying, "Buy Dragon Age Inquisition on blind faith!"  No, of course not!  Be skeptical!  However, don't go automatically assuming that their next game is going to be complete garbage.  What I am saying is keep an open mind.

Nothing we've seen for Dragon Age Inquisition has lead me to believe that it will be a terrible game.  If anything, the things Bioware has shown about the game is evidence to the contrary.  They've been listening to fan feedback and they've made changes accordingly.   The only indicator that its quality is going to be poor is Dragon Age 2, which had a shorter dev cycle and was very rushed.  However, Dragon Age Inquisition has been in development much longer than DA2 and they've kept the fans involved from a very early stage.

[Shevy]

Angrywolves wrote...

Shevy_001 wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...


"ctually...nothing really happened with the Dead Space team. The original
report was exaggerated and possibly falsified for sensastionalism in
the end. Last I checked, Visceral still has the team that made Dead
Space. The difference is they aren't making a new Dead Space game right
now."

You're clearly wrong Occarina but believe whatever you like.

LinksOcarina is actually correct. The team isn't disbanded, only the IP rests on ice.

 links and proof ? Where is yours.Turnabout is fair play.:innocent:

I know it's like tilting at windmills, but you brought up the DS team as example without links or sources, so it's on you to bring it.

Modifié par Shevy_001, 05 janvier 2014 - 08:41 .

[LinksOcarina]

Angrywolves wrote...

"ctually...nothing really happened with the Dead Space team. The original
report was exaggerated and possibly falsified for sensastionalism in
the end. Last I checked, Visceral still has the team that made Dead
Space. The difference is they aren't making a new Dead Space game right
now."

You're clearly wrong Occarina but believe whatever you like.

You clearly have no evidence to prove anything, so keep your opinions to yourself.

 Like I said, I strive to be a good journalist because I do due dilligence and research topics.

www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-05-ea-cans-dead-space-series-following-poor-sales-of-dead-space-3-report

The entire thing came from a trusted source, which can literally mean anything. Nine times out of ten, a trusted source is usually not enough, unless you have collobrative evidence to back it up. SInce Visceral games is still around, and their own UI lead said that the stroy from VideoGamer is false, implying the team is still working for them and focusing on something new now, I fail to see how I am objectively wrong here. 

There is also this telling fact which sums up how these guys get news most of the time. 

[Angrywolves]

Hardly.

Anyone can google and read about the Dead Space 3 debacle.It's on others to provide links/proof there was nothing else other than the Dead Space 4 cancellation.

My guess is they can't back those claims up..

As it is Dead Space is just an example of what can happen.i doubt it will happen to DAI however.

I can say my opinions.You can go jump in a lake ocarina .A deep one.Case closed.

Modifié par Angrywolves, 05 janvier 2014 - 08:39 .

[Shevy]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Shevy_001 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

DA:I is important in relation to the DA universe but hardly Bioware's "last saving grace". I, for one, will buy it regardless. I highly doubt that I will preorder it unless there are some serious incentives to do so but I will get it even if the reviews are less than stellar. The amount I'll be willing to pay for it depends on said reviews (written by people, not IGNs and other misc PR machines).

As about the article itself - I'm with a few other people on this one. Forbes has 2 types of articles - actual reporting and click wh0ring. This is definitely the latter.

Has there ever really been a situation where a game was a studio's last chance?

Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning was 38 Studios' first and last chance on the same time to generate enough money to finish the KoA-MMO. After it failed to hit the sales it had to, the studio was disbanded.

And there were some other in the past.

As for BioWare as a company, I doubt DA:I is even somewhere near "last chance", but for the franchise and the allowance to make a hypothetical DA IV I would categorize it as this.

Alamur was a special scenario because Curt Schilling, while a nice guy, is a terrible businessman. He made a deal he couldn't keep and it burned the company. They were going to release the MMO anyway, the reason the company went under was because their lease deal in Rhode Island couldn't be funded first. That is an issue of mismanagement, not sales expectations.

I don't know the specific numbers, but iirc they aimed at sales 3 times as high as they achieved and with that estimated number they would've survived. So it was more or less a "last chance" because of a terrible deal with the state, but sales could've saved the day.

But maybe I am wrong on this, it's been a while since I read about it.

[ghostzodd]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

"ctually...nothing really happened with the Dead Space team. The original
report was exaggerated and possibly falsified for sensastionalism in
the end. Last I checked, Visceral still has the team that made Dead
Space. The difference is they aren't making a new Dead Space game right
now."

You're clearly wrong Occarina but believe whatever you like.

You clearly have no evidence to prove anything, so keep your opinions to yourself.

 Like I said, I strive to be a good journalist because I do due dilligence and research topics.

www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-05-ea-cans-dead-space-series-following-poor-sales-of-dead-space-3-report

The entire thing came from a trusted source, which can literally mean anything. Nine times out of ten, a trusted source is usually not enough, unless you have collobrative evidence to back it up. SInce Visceral games is still around, and their own UI lead said that the stroy from VideoGamer is false, implying the team is still working for them and focusing on something new now, I fail to see how I am objectively wrong here. 

There is also this telling fact which sums up how these guys get news most of the time. 

LMAO your  a journalist who do you work for then lol.