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[jamesp81]

Invisible Man wrote...

I know I'm harming myself to protest rampant greed, I must be insane. I told myself the same thing many times over. 

Or, you are standing for a principle you believe in by deed and not just by word.  Nothing wrong with that.

[Invisible Man]

@street
I'd have accepted that. however, what was it $10 extra for something that should have been in he game anyway? that's still a bit too far. as always, imho. (maybe I should change my username to IMHO, I guess I'm lucky no one's started calling me TIM yet)

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oh, and unless shep is a vanguard, your fireteam doesn't get one unless you have javik. that just doesn't sit all that right with me either.

Modifié par Invisible Man, 08 janvier 2014 - 07:18 .

[Invisible Man]

StreetMagic wrote...

Invisible Man wrote...

@street
I'd have accepted that. however, what was it $10 extra for something that should have been in he game anyway? that's still a bit too far. as always, imho. (maybe I should change my username to IMHO, I guess I'm lucky no one's started calling me TIM yet)

Didn't realize it cost that much. I eventually got the n7 edition and just used that.

As for him being meant to be in the game - not anymore he isn't. Like I said, they changed the story to work without him. He was supposed to be even more important. I think their reasoning is that he's still cool to have around, but he's not integral. They didn't want it to totally go to waste.

I suppose all that is true or could be true. to me he is still a vital component to the mass effect story, even if he's no longer vital to the plot. though I do think he's vital to the gameplay, cause like my edit says unless shep is a vanguard you don't get one for your fire-team without javik.

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I'm fairly sure it cost me $10, but that was a while ago, and my memory has never been all that great to begin with.

Modifié par Invisible Man, 08 janvier 2014 - 07:29 .

[Obadiah]

To me, Indoctrination seemed to be what happened when a organic mind was brought into the Reaper collective. To an extent I think it is still there in Synthesis, just not as overwhelming as it is when organics don't know what is happening to them, and don't have the will the withstand it the way Shepard can.

[Possessed Turian]

Okay I saw this on page 1 The Reaper in ME2 is not dead. That reaper was able to put up kinetic barriers on it's own. So you where aboard a living Reaper. That thing knew what it was doing to a point.

Modifié par Possessed Turian, 10 janvier 2014 - 04:39 .

[SwobyJ]

Obadiah wrote...

To me, Indoctrination seemed to be what happened when a organic mind was brought into the Reaper collective. To an extent I think it is still there in Synthesis, just not as overwhelming as it is when organics don't know what is happening to them, and don't have the will the withstand it the way Shepard can.

^^^^^^^

This. For better or worse.

[jamesp81]

lostmercenary99 wrote...

Has Indocrination survived the firing of the Crucilbe? Could it survive and what are the implications for the future of the galaxy if this is the case?

Discuss

Yet another reason why I shot the damned tube rather than go for the blue or green space magic beam.  Eliminate ALL reaper tech and you've probably eliminated this very concern.

[JShepppp]

Interesting question because arguably everything was due to indoctrination (the Reapers themselves were "indoctrinated" in a form). However, indoctrination is controlled by the Catalyst, the embodiment of the collective intelligence that controls the Reapers and has the AI that the Leviathans originally created within it.

Destroy - Catalyst is dead. Indoctrination cannot happen as nobody can send the continuous indoctrination signals.

Control - Shepard is in control of indoctrination. Likely (?) lets them off the hook and frees non-Reapers and non-Geth.

Synthesis - No Catalyst, so no indoctrination.

[Obadiah]

If the essence of who and what Shepard is gets dispersed in Synthesis, could the galaxy be indoctrinated with Shepard?

[Invisible Man]

Obadiah wrote...

If the essence of who and what Shepard is gets dispersed in Synthesis, could the galaxy be indoctrinated with Shepard?

I don't think it works like that. though I'm not sure. but, with space magic anything is possible, especially when it shouldn't be. so who knows.

[Obadiah]

Invisible Man wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

If the essence of who and what Shepard is gets dispersed in Synthesis, could the galaxy be indoctrinated with Shepard?

I don't think it works like that. though I'm not sure. but, with space magic anything is possible, especially when it shouldn't be. so who knows.

I have a suspicion that since Synthesis is the option between Destroy and Control, the "control" aspect of Synthesis is Shepard's "who" dispersed into all life as a kind of baseline subconscious instinct, which is why everyone can more easily work together.

[Kunari801]

Michotic wrote...

The Reaper in ME2 could still Indoctrinate, but it didn't take a Crucible blast. I viewed the Destroy as rendering Reapers completely inert, so nothing could be indoctrinated after they were destroyed. As far as beings already indoctrinated, I couldn't say. At what point is a person no longer a person and a Reaper thrall? Is that the same threshold where the being is destroyed along with the rest of the Reaper forces?

But the Leviathans could also indoctrinate, so it is a very interesting question if Reaper indoctrination tech could survive the war.

[Ryuzetsu]

I think it is very possible, but then again I've never thought that the Reapers were truly defeated. After all the Reapers being all knowing, all calculating god-machines had to have a contingency incase everything went to hell. I think a portion of them, (let's say 1%) are still in dark space .... waiting.