That one counts. Now, if you can find some art...Earthbound N wrote...
This one then?
Apologies in advance.
Disney's "Frozen 2"(Sequel Confirmed Officially In Development)
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Posté 21 février 2014 - 11:30
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Posté 21 février 2014 - 11:34
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This thread's gonna have a much easier time with the normal stuff
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Posté 22 février 2014 - 01:40
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Cinema Audio Society Awards today, Frozen can win yet another award to add to the dozens and dozens it has already.
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Posté 22 février 2014 - 03:42
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*imagines Prince spending a lot more time with Anna and Elsa than the child accompanying him*LPPrince wrote...
I'm gonna be one half of the poor parents one day so
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Posté 22 février 2014 - 07:21
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Frozen just slipped past Harry Potter and The Deathly Hallows Part 1 to become the 22nd highest grossing.
I said it was likely to happen before Sunday. But anyway, the wait is on. /get hype
I said it was likely to happen before Sunday. But anyway, the wait is on. /get hype
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Posté 22 février 2014 - 07:51
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And Frozen's set to have the longest number one soundtrack run since Titanic.
Much success.
Much success.
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Posté 22 février 2014 - 08:01
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I've seen Frozen a couple of weeks ago and to be honest, I found it 'meh'. I admit, the graphics are visually stunning, but the story was mediocre at best and far from the original quality of Andersen's 'The Snow Queen', the story of which could have been way more interesting, but oh well. I especially disliked the amount of songs crammed into the first 20 minutes of the movie or so. When it comes to songs, it basically already goes downhill after the song sung by the workers moving around the blocks of ice. I felt a lot of songs were unoriginal, unnecessary, and filler material to make the movie go forward. They didn't really add much to the plot.
The plot in itself seems vague: there's this couple of girls of whom one has mysterious ice powers. How she got to possess these powers is never explained, unlike the power Rapunzel's hair has. Same with the troll creatures, which seemed to have been added just for...what, exactly? I don't know why, but to me, they seemed out of place. Also, why did their king have to wipe out Anna's memory when she got hit by Elsa's ice powers? It seems Anna had no problems whatsoever with her sister's magic, so why would she after she'd been hit by accident? Kids don't get traumatized from every little scratch they get in daily life, so why would she? It just seemed weird and illogical to me to wipe out someone's memories due to having been hit by a small blast of ice. This was better exectued and explained when Anna got hit in her chest, and she literally was freezing from the inside out, so no complaints there.
I also don't understand how parents can tell their children to lock up their feelings and be afraid of their skills and abilities. Elsa's parents basically tell her 'to not feel anything', to lock out her powers. I find this very weird. If I were Elsa's mother, I would try to understand my daughter's powers and help her into learning how to handle them. But Elsa's parents clearly seem terrified of their own daughter, thus indirectly strenghtening her in her belief she's a monster. Also, which sane parents would lock up their daughter in her room for about 20 years? This almost seems like child abuse to me. I was glad they both were gone through the handy plot device of an accident. They didn't add much to the story anyway.
Then there is Hans, whom I at first really liked. But since Disney decided Elsa can't be another stereotypical female villain and they thus re-wrote her character, Hans of course had to, by means of another magical Deus Ex Machina, turn out to become the villain of the story in the last couple of minutes. To me this just seemed like laziness on the writer's part. Hans was a perfectly fine character, there actually was NO NEED for him to be evil, and you already have to pay close attention to pick up hints towards him being 'evil' by listening to lines such as 'I'm the youngest out of 12 brothers'. Does that necessarily mean that, because Hans can't take up the throne, he HAS to be evil? Sorry, it just seems to me that Hans was being forcefully shoe-horned into the role of the baddy here. Love at first sight DOES exist, and even though such relationships rarely effectively work out, it still seems quite an excuse to me to then decide to turn Hans into a jackass.
As for Kristoff, I have little complaints about him, as I actually liked him as a character. Yet him almost having a neon-coloured arrow above his head exclaiming in big flashy letters 'HEY ANNA, HERE'S A GOOD GUY!' quite bothered me. Because Kristoff is obviously the 'good and simple' guy every girl would wish for. As I might've mentioned before, from the moment I saw Kristoff and Anna riding in that sled, I knew they'd eventually get together as a couple. Obviousness all around. Or maybe it's just me becoming too old for sappy Disney movies like this one.
As for Elsa, I quite liked her. But she made me think of an angsty emo-kid all too often in the beginning. Instead of trying to learn how to handle her powers, instead of looking up information and asking around, she stays into her room sulking all day. If I'd been her, I would try to get those powers under my control. But then Elsa's also a princess and thus has a role to fulfill and an image she has to keep up towards the public. Don't understand me wrongly, I fully understand Elsa's behaviour. Of course she is scared. But sobbing and sulking in your room isn't going to help any of that. It was a relief to see her bloom during her 'Let it go' song, which I actually quite liked. Even though the heavy purple eye-shadow and dress cut up to her thigh certainly weren't a necessary addition in my eyes. But then it is said that the 'Let it go' song can be referring to a teenager's growing up, both mentally and also physically. Even then, though, does every girl then necessarily have to smear make-up all over her face and wear 'sexy' clothes to make it clear she's 'grown up'? It seems to be the problem with a lot of girly tv- shows out there, such as Bratz and Monster High, where dressing ****ty and putting tons of make-up on your face is an equivalent for being a 'big girl'. It's again girls needing to be pretty as some sort of self-confirmation. What was wrong with Elsa's original deep green dress in the first place? I thought THAT made her look mature and that THAT expressed her personality best: a modest dress reflecting Elsa's own modesty and introvert character.
I read a blog on how whole Elsa's situation is very similiar to the situation a lesbian teenager may find herself in, even. The locked gates then refer to the outside world being closed off towards the girl, who doesn't dare to express herself and her sexuality, as in being in the closet still. The ice powers would then be a metaphor for this sexuality. Her seclusion would then symbolize her struggle with this sexuality, contrary to Anna, the heterosexual girl to whom the gates will always be unlocked and whom herself will never experience the same obstacle as Elsa will. There even are lines in the movie itself which might refer to Elsa's 'condition', so to speak, but they're subtle and still ambiguous. Whether these assumptions are correct, I have no idea, but in any case they are interesting to think about.
I could go on and on about this, but I think I explained my biggeste issues with this movie.
All in all, I think the movie was ok, but it certainly didn't impress me as much as Rapunzel/Tangled and Brave. And I certainly wouldn't put Frozen on the same level as real Disney classics such as The Lion King and The Little Mermaid.
The plot in itself seems vague: there's this couple of girls of whom one has mysterious ice powers. How she got to possess these powers is never explained, unlike the power Rapunzel's hair has. Same with the troll creatures, which seemed to have been added just for...what, exactly? I don't know why, but to me, they seemed out of place. Also, why did their king have to wipe out Anna's memory when she got hit by Elsa's ice powers? It seems Anna had no problems whatsoever with her sister's magic, so why would she after she'd been hit by accident? Kids don't get traumatized from every little scratch they get in daily life, so why would she? It just seemed weird and illogical to me to wipe out someone's memories due to having been hit by a small blast of ice. This was better exectued and explained when Anna got hit in her chest, and she literally was freezing from the inside out, so no complaints there.
I also don't understand how parents can tell their children to lock up their feelings and be afraid of their skills and abilities. Elsa's parents basically tell her 'to not feel anything', to lock out her powers. I find this very weird. If I were Elsa's mother, I would try to understand my daughter's powers and help her into learning how to handle them. But Elsa's parents clearly seem terrified of their own daughter, thus indirectly strenghtening her in her belief she's a monster. Also, which sane parents would lock up their daughter in her room for about 20 years? This almost seems like child abuse to me. I was glad they both were gone through the handy plot device of an accident. They didn't add much to the story anyway.
Then there is Hans, whom I at first really liked. But since Disney decided Elsa can't be another stereotypical female villain and they thus re-wrote her character, Hans of course had to, by means of another magical Deus Ex Machina, turn out to become the villain of the story in the last couple of minutes. To me this just seemed like laziness on the writer's part. Hans was a perfectly fine character, there actually was NO NEED for him to be evil, and you already have to pay close attention to pick up hints towards him being 'evil' by listening to lines such as 'I'm the youngest out of 12 brothers'. Does that necessarily mean that, because Hans can't take up the throne, he HAS to be evil? Sorry, it just seems to me that Hans was being forcefully shoe-horned into the role of the baddy here. Love at first sight DOES exist, and even though such relationships rarely effectively work out, it still seems quite an excuse to me to then decide to turn Hans into a jackass.
As for Kristoff, I have little complaints about him, as I actually liked him as a character. Yet him almost having a neon-coloured arrow above his head exclaiming in big flashy letters 'HEY ANNA, HERE'S A GOOD GUY!' quite bothered me. Because Kristoff is obviously the 'good and simple' guy every girl would wish for. As I might've mentioned before, from the moment I saw Kristoff and Anna riding in that sled, I knew they'd eventually get together as a couple. Obviousness all around. Or maybe it's just me becoming too old for sappy Disney movies like this one.
As for Elsa, I quite liked her. But she made me think of an angsty emo-kid all too often in the beginning. Instead of trying to learn how to handle her powers, instead of looking up information and asking around, she stays into her room sulking all day. If I'd been her, I would try to get those powers under my control. But then Elsa's also a princess and thus has a role to fulfill and an image she has to keep up towards the public. Don't understand me wrongly, I fully understand Elsa's behaviour. Of course she is scared. But sobbing and sulking in your room isn't going to help any of that. It was a relief to see her bloom during her 'Let it go' song, which I actually quite liked. Even though the heavy purple eye-shadow and dress cut up to her thigh certainly weren't a necessary addition in my eyes. But then it is said that the 'Let it go' song can be referring to a teenager's growing up, both mentally and also physically. Even then, though, does every girl then necessarily have to smear make-up all over her face and wear 'sexy' clothes to make it clear she's 'grown up'? It seems to be the problem with a lot of girly tv- shows out there, such as Bratz and Monster High, where dressing ****ty and putting tons of make-up on your face is an equivalent for being a 'big girl'. It's again girls needing to be pretty as some sort of self-confirmation. What was wrong with Elsa's original deep green dress in the first place? I thought THAT made her look mature and that THAT expressed her personality best: a modest dress reflecting Elsa's own modesty and introvert character.
I read a blog on how whole Elsa's situation is very similiar to the situation a lesbian teenager may find herself in, even. The locked gates then refer to the outside world being closed off towards the girl, who doesn't dare to express herself and her sexuality, as in being in the closet still. The ice powers would then be a metaphor for this sexuality. Her seclusion would then symbolize her struggle with this sexuality, contrary to Anna, the heterosexual girl to whom the gates will always be unlocked and whom herself will never experience the same obstacle as Elsa will. There even are lines in the movie itself which might refer to Elsa's 'condition', so to speak, but they're subtle and still ambiguous. Whether these assumptions are correct, I have no idea, but in any case they are interesting to think about.
I could go on and on about this, but I think I explained my biggeste issues with this movie.
All in all, I think the movie was ok, but it certainly didn't impress me as much as Rapunzel/Tangled and Brave. And I certainly wouldn't put Frozen on the same level as real Disney classics such as The Lion King and The Little Mermaid.
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Posté 22 février 2014 - 08:10
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Coming from experience, it's way more realistic than you think it is.Wheel_of_Fate wrote...
I also don't understand how parents can tell their children to lock up their feelings and be afraid of their skills and abilities. Elsa's parents basically tell her 'to not feel anything', to lock out her powers.
Certain parents don't understand it when they're kids turn out off, and in turn just try to hide the problem and act like that'll make it better.
Least they didn't put Elsa on Multiple Behavioural Modification drugs. But if they could, they probably would.
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Posté 22 février 2014 - 08:12
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Yeah, but how old are you? And which audience is this movie mainly focused on? I don't think Disney intends to send their viewers this kind of message.TheClonesLegacy wrote...
Coming from experience, it's way more realistic than you think.Wheel_of_Fate wrote...
I also don't understand how parents can tell their children to lock up their feelings and be afraid of their skills and abilities. Elsa's parents basically tell her 'to not feel anything', to lock out her powers.
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Posté 22 février 2014 - 08:14
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Yeah, realistic.
Especially since it's something like magic.
And the good thing is that the movie tells you that they were wrong, without saying that the parents were wrong.
Especially since it's something like magic.
And the good thing is that the movie tells you that they were wrong, without saying that the parents were wrong.
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Posté 22 février 2014 - 08:14
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Spoilers, spoilers folks. Some haven't seen the film yet but still check out the thread, try to keep the discussions spoiler free.
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Posté 22 février 2014 - 08:15
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Replace Cryomancy with Autism and it works just as well. But whatever. I'm one of those weridos that thought Elsa's postition was more applicable to Mental Disorders than it was to Sexuality.
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Posté 22 février 2014 - 08:32
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Surely thats the point though? The parent's method falls flat on its face in the long term. So the message, if any, would be that's the wrong way to go about it.Wheel_of_Fate wrote...
Yeah, but how old are you? And which audience is this movie mainly focused on? I don't think Disney intends to send their viewers this kind of message.
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Posté 22 février 2014 - 08:41
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If anything it's teaching parents to be more tolerant in the way they react to their kids if they have something off with them, whether it's a disorder, being gay, or having ballin Ice magic.Earthbound N wrote...
Surely thats the point though? The parent's method falls flat on its face in the long term. So the message, if any, would be that's the wrong way to go about it.Wheel_of_Fate wrote...
Yeah, but how old are you? And which audience is this movie mainly focused on? I don't think Disney intends to send their viewers this kind of message.
Which is a pretty good message far as I'm concerned.
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Posté 22 février 2014 - 09:16
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It certainly is. So less of a message and more a cautionary tale.
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Posté 22 février 2014 - 09:40
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Posté 22 février 2014 - 09:40
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For the time being I am going to remove my post, maybe after the Dvd's released there can be some more indepth discussions.
Ill keep things simple and as spoiler free as possible for now: I liked Elsas powers minus the backstory, did not like how the villain was handled. The film does manage to break away from certain tropes but also falls into others, although its still a very good film even by Disneys usual standards.
I still prefer the Lion King and Aladdin but this one was one of their bests too.
Ill keep things simple and as spoiler free as possible for now: I liked Elsas powers minus the backstory, did not like how the villain was handled. The film does manage to break away from certain tropes but also falls into others, although its still a very good film even by Disneys usual standards.
I still prefer the Lion King and Aladdin but this one was one of their bests too.
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Posté 22 février 2014 - 09:57
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Yeah, lets keep the spoilers out of the thread until March 18th. Thats Blu-Ray/DVD day. Some folks are waiting.
Speaking of, Tuesday is HD Download day.
Speaking of, Tuesday is HD Download day.
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Posté 22 février 2014 - 10:51
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Looking forward to it. There will be much to discuss, free of the tyranny of the spoiler embargo. (Watching comes the 31st outside the US, which I will continue to complain about until that date.)LPPrince wrote...
Yeah, lets keep the spoilers out of the thread until March 18th. Thats Blu-Ray/DVD day. Some folks are waiting.
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Speaking of, Tuesday is HD Download day.
LA LA LA NOT LISTENING
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Posté 22 février 2014 - 10:59
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And its that time again when I literally have too many pics to post within reason.
And classically painted Queen Elsa seems to be a thing now.
And classically painted Queen Elsa seems to be a thing now.
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Posté 22 février 2014 - 11:13
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I understand that it isn't the first fandom to have such a large amount of art, but it still amazes me how much there is after cutting out certain stuff. (Anyone who's looked knows what I'm on about. If not, its Tumblr, use your imagination.) That's about 50% of the whole right there and that doesn't even tend to get posted here.
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