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[LPPrince]

So Frozen this week will be at $1.01 billion. I don't know about it beating Toy Story 3, it would need a strong showing in Japan along with the carryover everywhere else. Japan can do it, but maaan, I don't know.

 

Anyway, nine days till the Blu-Ray/DVD/Digital Download combo drop!

 

[OdanUrr]

I take it I'm also late with this video?

 

[LPPrince]

I take it I'm also late with this video?

 

Yep.

[Battlebloodmage]

Someone did a rough sketch of what the cut song would look like. I would imagine the last scene to be where Elsa blasts Anna though but most of them are pretty spot on.

 

http://bambi-killer....lifes-too-short

[LPPrince]

Dat sass

[Battlebloodmage]

I like the look Olaf and Kristoff gave each other like "those b%@#$ are crazy".

[LPPrince]

Well yeah, I mean look at em

[EarthboundNess]

Annnd I still really like that song for some reason.

 

It doesn't sound quite as out of place any more with that video there too.

 

[Dutchess]

Sooo, I finally went to see Frozen this weekend. Though it was definitely a lovely movie, I feel like I went in with expectations that were too high after all the hype (omg, best Disney movie ever!) and it did not live up to everything I had expected of it. The plot twist deserves respect, as I don't recall anything similar happening in previous Disney movies, I can see how that puts the movie up in people's top 10. The alternate interpretation of true love was nice as well, but actually not something never seen before, not even in Disney movies. Tarzan, Mulan, Beauty & the Beast, The Lion King and The Little Mermaid all had acts out of love for family as well. The only thing that made it different for Frozen was because the movie kept hammering on true love as being the romantic love to make the love between family less expected.

 

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I also don't get the ending. I understand Anna defrosting after her act of true love, but I don't understand how this magically resolves Elsa's problem of being unable to control her powers. "Of course! Love!"  she says, and then all the snow and ice was gone. Of course! Wait, what? Love for what or whom exactly? Claiming she suddenly realized she loved Anna is doing Elsa a disservice, as her fear of hurting her little sister is the main reason she shuts herself in. Love for Aerondale then? She loves the land and therefore she can stop her winter? Love for herself, for her powers? But wasn't that the whole point of "Let It Go"? That she finally accepted what she could do and live with it the way she wanted? I don't get it. It felt rushed and forced.

 

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When I first read on here that Disney would joke about the love at first sight thing I thought "ooh, that sounds good. About time." But after seeing the movie I am less convinced. Elsa's and Kirstoff's reactions were amusing enough, but I can't help feeling that Disney is doing its legacy and the wonderful original fairytale material a disservice by ridiculing this part of fairytales. Of course the love at first sight and getting married the next day is not realistic. Everybody above the age of 7 will realize that much, but that's why they're fairytales! I don't like the idea of how Frozen not only mocks Anna's naievety, but through that also Cinderella, Snowwhite, Sleeping Beauty and the Little Mermaid. I don't know. I'm probably taking this too seriously, but somehow I can't appreciate Frozen's attempt here to be modern.

 

Frozen was good in its dark moments. Beautiful and moving, but I missed the humor that is also so important in all the Disney movies I have seen. I didn't find Olaf that funny. Kristoff's "I wanna tell him" after Olaf's song was the highlight for me in terms of humor.

 

I don't mean to come across as a hater, because Frozen was still a good movie and it looked amazing. I loved the songs as well (though For the First Time in Forever somehow reminds me a lot of I See the Light from Tangled). If somebody has more insight into the logic of the ending I would appreciate it. Perhaps I am missing something obvious there. But all in all I prefer Tangled of Disney's recent work.

[EarthboundNess]

Sooo, I finally went to see Frozen this weekend. Though it was definitely a lovely movie, I feel like I went in with expectations that were too high after all the hype (omg, best Disney movie ever!) and it did not live up to everything I had expected of it. The plot twist deserves respect, as I don't recall anything similar happening in previous Disney movies, I can see how that puts the movie up in people's top 10. The alternate interpretation of true love was nice as well, but actually not something never seen before, not even in Disney movies. Tarzan, Mulan, Beauty & the Beast, The Lion King and The Little Mermaid all had acts out of love for family as well. The only thing that made it different for Frozen was because the movie kept hammering on true love as being the romantic love to make the love between family less expected.

 

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I also don't get the ending. I understand Anna defrosting after her act of true love, but I don't understand how this magically resolves Elsa's problem of being unable to control her powers. "Of course! Love!"  she says, and then all the snow and ice was gone. Of course! Wait, what? Love for what or whom exactly? Claiming she suddenly realized she loved Anna is doing Elsa a disservice, as her fear of hurting her little sister is the main reason she shuts herself in. Love for Aerondale then? She loves the land and therefore she can stop her winter? Love for herself, for her powers? But wasn't that the whole point of "Let It Go"? That she finally accepted what she could do and live with it the way she wanted? I don't get it. It felt rushed and forced.

 

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When I first read on here that Disney would joke about the love at first sight thing I thought "ooh, that sounds good. About time." But after seeing the movie I am less convinced. Elsa's and Kirstoff's reactions were amusing enough, but I can't help feeling that Disney is doing its legacy and the wonderful original fairytale material a disservice by ridiculing this part of fairytales. Of course the love at first sight and getting married the next day is not realistic. Everybody above the age of 7 will realize that much, but that's why they're fairytales! I don't like the idea of how Frozen not only mocks Anna's naievety, but through that also Cinderella, Snowwhite, Sleeping Beauty and the Little Mermaid. I don't know. I'm probably taking this too seriously, but somehow I can't appreciate Frozen's attempt here to be modern.

 

Frozen was good in its dark moments. Beautiful and moving, but I missed the humor that is also so important in all the Disney movies I have seen. I didn't find Olaf that funny. Kristoff's "I wanna tell him" after Olaf's song was the highlight for me in terms of humor.

 

I don't mean to come across as a hater, because Frozen was still a good movie and it looked amazing. I loved the songs as well (though For the First Time in Forever somehow reminds me a lot of I See the Light from Tangled). If somebody has more insight into the logic of the ending I would appreciate it. Perhaps I am missing something obvious there. But all in all I prefer Tangled of Disney's recent work.

 

Don't worry, you don't come across as a hater. Opinions and all that, and well supported ones to boot. 

 

Anyways, I'll give my two cents on things.

 

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So Elsa's emotions seemed to be leading to different temperaments in her powers. The Troll King says something about fear preventing her from controlling it, her ice changes colour during one particularly high strung moment in the film, etc. As for love, she'd just had it brought to the forefront of her mind given Anna's sacrifice. Every other moment where she's failed to grasp her abilities, Elsa was under some form of emotional duress, clouding her mind, and therefore her powers.  Even after let it go, she again becomes afraid after learning of her side effects on Arendelle. Parts of these other emotions will have remained during the conclusion, but it was her love for Anna that remained strongest, given that she'd almost just lost her. Love's a largely positive emotion, but it can also hurt, so I guess if Elsa's powers are influenced by emotions, it makes sense for love to provide an equilibrium, and therefore balance and control.

 

I'd like to think her emotions would continue to play a situational part, rather than her simply having fully gained control, but that's delving into headcannon.

 

As for Disney ridiculing their legacy, I'd say its simply down to their older films being products of their time, just like Frozen is today. People find it harder to suspend their disbelief for the ol' fairytale tropes these days but Disney like to keep them around anyways. So they simply poke fun at them instead.

[EarthboundNess]

Hmmmm. Of all the ill timed screenshots throughout history, this humorous/demonic example is definitely a fave of mine.

 

[Battlebloodmage]

When we talk about legacy, there is also racism mixed into it as well. Like Earthbound said, it's not about disrespecting the legacy but acknowledge it as a product of its time. Women were seen as an object to be acquired, obedient waiting for her men. Time is changing, and women want more substantial things in life. At the end of the days, they're just fantasy being perpetuated overtime. I do think that there's nothing wrong with it, but it does create an expectation for prince charming to be wonderful and perfect. There comes a day when every princess would have to realize that there's a fat slob laying on the couch eating Cheetos all day which caused her to second guessing her decision to marry someone she just met and should just try online dating instead. May as well shatter those expectations now. 

[Dutchess]

Don't worry, you don't come across as a hater. Opinions and all that, and well supported ones to boot. 

 

Anyways, I'll give my two cents on things.

 

Spoiler

So Elsa's emotions seemed to be leading to different temperaments in her powers. The Troll King says something about fear preventing her from controlling it, her ice changes colour during one particularly high strung moment in the film, etc. As for love, she'd just had it brought to the forefront of her mind given Anna's sacrifice. Every other moment where she's failed to grasp her abilities, Elsa was under some form of emotional duress, clouding her mind, and therefore her powers.  Even after let it go, she again becomes afraid after learning of her side effects on Arendelle. Parts of these other emotions will have remained during the conclusion, but it was her love for Anna that remained strongest, given that she'd almost just lost her. Love's a largely positive emotion, but it can also hurt, so I guess if Elsa's powers are influenced by emotions, it makes sense for love to provide an equilibrium, and therefore balance and control.

 

I'd like to think her emotions would continue to play a situational part, rather than her simply having fully gained control, but that's delving into headcannon.

 

As for Disney ridiculing their legacy, I'd say its simply down to their older films being products of their time, just like Frozen is today. People find it harder to suspend their disbelief for the ol' fairytale tropes these days but Disney like to keep them around anyways. So they simply poke fun at them instead.

 

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I thought the troll king meant that others fearing her powers was the threat. The creepy figures in the sky jumping her seemed to confirm that. It is further shown by the fear of the commoners and nobles when she loses control of her powers. But I suppose it could have been Elsa's own fear he was actually referring to. It's clear that her emotions are influencing her powers, but I'm still not seeing the flawless explanation in "of course! Love!". If the sisters had been rivals it might have made more sense that the idea she had lost Anna made Elsa realize how much she loved her sister, but all throughout the movie she has done her best to prevent herself from hurting Anna, so the love was never hidden at the background.

 

Perhaps it's a matter of taste then, but I recently rewatched clips from old Disney movies and I thought the way Snowwhite and Sleeping Beauty meet their prince was still lovely and romantic. It did not require me to "suspend my disbelief". I think Disney actually does a far better job of introducing and developing the romances of those classics compared to the stories I've read in books, in which the prince literally comes riding by and immediately asks the girl to marry him before even knowing her name.

 

When we talk about legacy, there is also racism mixed into it as well. Like Earthbound said, it's not about disrespecting the legacy but acknowledge it as a product of its time. Women were seen as an object to be acquired, obedient waiting for her men. Time is changing, and women want more substantial things in life. At the end of the days, they're just fantasy being perpetuated overtime. I do think that there's nothing wrong with it, but it does create an expectation for prince charming to be wonderful and perfect. There comes a day when every princess would have to realize that there's a fat slob laying on the couch eating Cheetos all day which caused her to second guessing her decision to marry someone she just met and should just try online dating instead. May as well shatter those expectations now. 

 

I think you mean sexism instead of racism here? I disagree that any of the princesses/ladies in Disney movies were mere objects to be acquired by the prince. Cinderella and Snowwhite led pretty miserable and lonely lives. It's not strange to wish for love in such a situation, and though times may be changing, I think most women (and men) would still like to find someone they can spend the rest of their life with. What exactly is supposed to be more substantial than love? Better jobs, higher wages, equal rights? All very important of course, but those things don't really have a place in fairytales?

I'm afraid I don't understand the last part of your post. Fairytales create the expectation that the love of a girl's life is perfect but after a while Prince Charming turns into a lazy slob eating cheetos? I don't think you can blame fairytales for that scenario, as everyone should know you should not take those tales literally. It is more about the moral of the story, which is often that even if life treats you harshly, you should remain kind and friendly and eventually things will get better. I suppose that can also be a rather naieve mindset, but it's still not so bad to try to live by that idea, imo.

[Battlebloodmage]

I think it could lead to an abusive relationship. Many abusive relationships happen because the abuser has power over the victim. The victim is too depending on the abuser. If their life is crappy then just clinging on to whatever you have, hence the prince, without even knowing if the alternative is any better. Their life with their prince charming could be just as crappy or even worse. I'm just overanalyzed it, but the concept of prince charming saving you from your wretched life seems to be too simple. It also takes away the independent of a woman. Why can't the women help herself instead of waiting for a guy to rescue her? The old concept is just perpetuating the damsel in distress type of deal and female submissiveness. I also find the concept of prince charming to be very shallow and lead to the princess syndrome. Many women have a really high expectations for their men that they don't even meet themselves. Prince charming is an abstract concept that rise high expectation for both women and men. Love at first sight is nothing more than physical aspect of a person. How could you love someone you know nothing about? It seems like you're only attracted to him for his look and hoping he doesn't turn out to be a creep. 

[LPPrince]

Thanks Dom

 

[Fredvdp]

I recently saw Frozen. I was quite impressed by it. Definitely up there with the best of the Disney renaissance.

Favorite songs: "Do You Want to Build a Snowman" and "Fixer Upper"

Favorite character: Anna

 

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If there's one thing I'd change, it would be the inclusion of a reprise of the song "Do You Want to Build a Snowman" at the very end, so that there would be bookends. I noticed that others agree with this opinion and even made a fanmade rendition of what that would be like (probably repost, since this thread is huge): Spoilers

 

I personally think a reprise would work as an upbeat version in the final scene.

[LPPrince]

Use a spoiler tag. [ spoiler ] *content* [ / spoiler ] minus the spaces.

[Fredvdp]

Ah, we have spoiler tags now. That was long overdue.

[LPPrince]

Ah, we have spoiler tags now. That was long overdue.

 

Also, if you click the twitter icon when making a post(for special BBCode), there will be a menu where you can select spoiler tags.

[EarthboundNess]

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I thought the troll king meant that others fearing her powers was the threat. The creepy figures in the sky jumping her seemed to confirm that. It is further shown by the fear of the commoners and nobles when she loses control of her powers. But I suppose it could have been Elsa's own fear he was actually referring to. It's clear that her emotions are influencing her powers, but I'm still not seeing the flawless explanation in "of course! Love!". If the sisters had been rivals it might have made more sense that the idea she had lost Anna made Elsa realize how much she loved her sister, but all throughout the movie she has done her best to prevent herself from hurting Anna, so the love was never hidden at the background.

 

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No, her love wasn't hidden in the background, but what was were her powers. Growing up, Elsa was taught only to suppress them and keep her abilities under wraps. She was never encouraged to decipher the ins and outs of her powers, so she'd never have worked out the role emotions play on them during her childhood, albeit that which the troll king told her about fear. Sure, she loved Anna, and probably her parents and her pet cat Fiddles, but what good is that when she avoids using her abilities at all costs because she herself is afraid of them?

 

On another point, her emotional state during let it go seemed to give her plenty of control. (She built a freakin' castle, after all.) The eternal winter covering Arendelle is a remnant from her previous emotional state, one she is unaware until Anna tells her and she once again panics, and therefore can't correct her mistake at that time. From that point on she's flung into a myriad of high strung situations, hardly given any time to work out how to sort out Arendelle.

So your'e probably right that love isn't a flawless explanation, but it is the ideal emotional state for her to grasp her powers, being an equilibrium as I mentioned in my previous post, though it isn't the only beneficial emotion as the let it go scene shows. And this is alongside the fact (and here's the important bit) that she's actually allowing herself to use them in conjunction with a positive emotion, instead of quashing them entirely through fear, (following the accident and up to the coronation) or being ruled by panic (escaping Arendelle and Anna telling her of the town's fate)

[EarthboundNess]

Ugh, and that's enough intelligent conversation for one day.

 

Need something soothing.

 

 

Perfect.

 

Get him, Marshmallow!

[LPPrince]

Marshmallow and Elsa would kick his underage ass like super hard

[EarthboundNess]

Hell even one on one he wouldn't stand a chance. 

 

A fight against them both is not something you want to pursue.

 

Luckily such stupidity is perfectly in character for Frost.

[EarthboundNess]

My first ever double post! 

 

Out of 1381 that's pretty good.

 

Fill it with images.

 

 

[Anzer]

Marshmallow and Elsa would kick his underage ass like super hard

Yeah, Jack wouldn't have a snowflakes chance in hell of beating Elsa! That fight would leave Jack out cold. Just the thought of fighting Elsa would leave Jack frozen with fear.