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[LPPrince]

I think the OST is above decent. Its selling ridiculously well and you can find the songs everywhere so I think it caught on well enough, given its basically a musical.

[Isichar]

I think the OST is above decent. Its selling ridiculously well and you can find the songs everywhere so I think it caught on well enough, given its basically a musical.

 

So sales/availability determine quality then?

[Beerfish]

So sales/availability determine quality then?

Yes sales does for sure as along as people are willing to acknowledge that other peoples views of quality may not be their own.

[LPPrince]

So sales/availability determine quality then?

 

When I say you can find it anywhere, I'm referring to the insane amount of covers/versions of it fans have made. Reminds me of what MLP's fans have done with the standout songs in the show.

[Dominus]

So sales/availability determine quality then?

"What's popular isn't always right, and what's right isn't always popular." I personally like the OST a great deal - some of the songs don't blow my mind, but the bigger ones like First Time In Forever and That Which Must Not Be Named made buying the movie on iTunes worthwhile just for that.

It was alright, but honestly I'm not sure where all the hype and praise comes from. Not a bad movie by any means, but I can't see how it's seen as a classic or all-time great.

There's a level of overpopularization I can't deny coming with it. I thought it was a hell of a ride, and one of Disney's better films. My typical answer for why its seen as a classic is the change in setting compared to their usual shtick, reversals of expected directions narratively, and a more emotionally-potent storyline than some of their previous titles.

[Isichar]

When I say you can find it anywhere, I'm referring to the insane amount of covers/versions of it fans have made. Reminds me of what MLP's fans have done with the standout songs in the show.

 

Fair enough, I'm willing to see fan passion as being a good indication.

 

@Beerfish

 

Sorry, but that's incredibly weak standards to judge quality by. By that definition CoD is probably the best game ever made.

[LPPrince]

It was a surprise hit which led to the word of mouth spreading everywhere, hence the popularity.

[Isichar]

It was a surprise hit which led to the word of mouth spreading everywhere, hence the popularity.

 

Well, it was still a Disney movie, I mean it only has to be slightly above their usual standards and people are going to take notice.

 

It's sort of like with Destiny (the game), sure they worked hard on it, but its not like they had to claw themselves up from obscurity (nor was it poorly reviewed) the way they would like to make it sound.

[Dominus]

Well, it was still a Disney movie, I mean it only has to be slightly above their usual standards and people are going to take notice.

A good point. Relative to their previous films, this is one of my favorites. Relative to movies in general, it's certainly up there but doesn't necessarily revolutionize their formula, instead refining it in terms of quality. So yes, it's a bit like MLP in that respect too.

[Isichar]

A good point. Relative to their previous films, this is one of my favorites. Relative to movies in general, it's certainly up there but doesn't necessarily revolutionize their formula, instead refining it in terms of quality. So yes, it's a bit like MLP in that respect too.

 

I do certainly think it's a definite step in the right direction in terms of the working on the standard Disney Formula. Not everything in this movie was fresh, but there was a clear indication that they were trying to be original, and they hit their mark effectively enough on most points.

 

P.S. Not that I mind the standard Disney Formula mind you, but it's less original now then it was a few decades ago.

[LPPrince]

I think a lot of the love comes from appreciation for what it did.

[Raizo]

I think it was marketed in a very clever way . The first time I ever heard of frozen was that trailer with Olaf and Sven. I think I saw the trailer right before Thor: Dark world or the Catching Fire, this right away tells me a lot about the audience Disney were targeting.

I personally thought Tangled was a better movie than Frozen but Frozen has obviously done a lot better than at the box office and in DVD sales. I remember reading somewhere that even though Frozen is story featuring two female leads that Disney have gone out of their way to make sure that it appeals to boys/ young men just as much as girls/young women. The love story is there but it is not the main focus of the film. I have also heard that marketing execs have learnt that films that pass the bechdel test do better at box office than films that don't.

[Isichar]

I think it was marketed in a very clever way . The first time I ever heard of frozen was that trailer with Olaf and Sven. I think I saw the trailer right before Thor: Dark world or the Catching Fire, this right away tells me a lot about the audience Disney were targeting.

I personally thought Tangled was a better movie than Frozen but Frozen has obviously done a lot better than at the box office and in DVD sales. I remember reading somewhere that even though Frozen is story featuring two female leads that Disney have gone out of their way to make sure that it appeals to boys/ young men just as much as girls/young women. The love story is there but it is not the main focus of the film. I have also heard that marketing execs have learnt that films that pass the bechdel test do better at box office than films that don't.

 

I knew Frozen was well received beforehand. But other then that, I personally avoid marketing/ads/trailers and such for things as much as possible before my initial watch, something which I personally think greatly improves the viewing experience of any half decent title. 

 

Marketing hype is a lie.

[EarthboundNess]

I must say, from my own personal experience, I'm honestly not sure where all this supposed 'hype' a lot of you have mentioned has been coming from. 

 

The first time I heard anything about it other than its title and this one frankly rather weird promotional trailer, was here, on the BSN. A backwater internet forum. The song posted in the thread was enjoyable. Prince recommended it. Some other posters seemed to enjoy it. So I went out and watched it. It turned out way more enjoyable than I expected because I expected very little.

 

Since then, still not seeing it. Family oblivious to its existence. Friends and acquaintances reference it maybe once or twice. Tumblr and such go crazy over it, and that's normal, they do that for any old thing. *cough* Rise of the Guardians *cough* Does well enough critically but not amazing. Some throw around the notion its the best Disney since Lion King, an equal amount claims they belong in a mental institute for believing so. Let it Go gets a ton of covers, but hey, its a good song. It could have stood up well enough on its own. Awards and gross, as we've ascertained here previously, most people don't pay a whole lot of attention to for various reasons.

 

So my point is, had I have not bumped into the thread here, I would have had little to no exposure to the film and it would have completely passed me by. And that's where I'm not seeing it, that just doesn't sound like hype. Or hell, idk, maybe things were just quieter here in the UK... 

[TheClonesLegacy]

Hype is still prevalent in Canada, like 4 people this week at my school burst into "Let it Go" (I wish I was kidding)

But the film is starting to lose it's appeal on me, not that Frozens bad, but it doesn't have enough to constitute multiple viewings with me...there's not enough meat on the bones so to speak.

I actually wrote a little Essay/Rant about how I don't feel the film deserves all its "TEH GREATEST THING EVAR!"-ness.

Especially compared to what other animated film came out around the same time.

Spoiler

[EarthboundNess]

Well, western animation's always performed better both financially and in terms of the perception of the masses, (In the west anyway) and I can't see that ever changing. After a quick glance at box office figures, even big names like Ghibli don't often do too well off their home turf.

 

And as for what I mean by 'perception of the masses', I remember back at college during my extended project, and someone did an exhibition on anime. The main thing that I took from it was that half the people there thought he was some kind of deviant for liking such things. And then on the other end of the scale, these are the very same people who'll consider Disney a household name. 

 

So, yeah. Sadly, films like that just don't stand a chance at the moment, regardless of whether they're better or not.

[LPPrince]

I always thought the perception of anime to the masses here in the West was weird.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Like I said Rebellion was shown, in December, not only for one or two days, but also around the time Desolation of Smaug came out. So I didn't learn about it till Febuary.

A little follow-up to my essay,
The review board admitted they didn't even watch Rebellion due to its misleading appearance.
Fml.

[Gravisanimi]

I think the major problem with that, and even why Frozen is doing better, is anime has the disadvantage of of being both animation and largely foreign.

But, I see that viewpoint dying in the next few decades.

Frozen is definitely a stepping stone for the North America and Europe towards that change, regardless of whether you think it is or isn't a good movie, this movie has touched the majority of the culture.

[LPPrince]

Going by Let It Go's 184 million+ views, definitely

[EarthboundNess]

Like I said Rebellion was shown, in December, not only for one or two days, but also around the time Desolation of Smaug came out. So I didn't learn about it till Febuary.

A little follow-up to my essay,
The review board admitted they didn't even watch Rebellion due to its misleading appearance.
Fml.

 

What in the seven hells do they even mean by that?

 

 

But yeah, I'll concur that hopefully things should change for the better.

 

I dream of a world where all animations are treated as equals.

 

(My priorities are perfectly straight, I assure you)

[TheClonesLegacy]

I paraphrase, but they just thought Rebellion was not worth watching due to the art style (which I define as misleading yet awesome)

[Isichar]

Like I said Rebellion was shown, in December, not only for one or two days, but also around the time Desolation of Smaug came out. So I didn't learn about it till Febuary.

A little follow-up to my essay,
The review board admitted they didn't even watch Rebellion due to its misleading appearance.
Fml.

 

Not surprised. I knew the moment they came out with the 19 nominees who was going to win. I wasn't even surprised that TRS didn't even make it to the finals.

 

It's a damned shame man, that's all I have to say. And it's reason's like that I don't take those awards seriously.

[LPPrince]

8th highest grossing this week and apparently the Frozen dresses are going for high prices on the ebayz

 

http://adage.com/art...parents/292582/

[Master Warder Z_]

Going by Let It Go's 184 million+ views, definitely

 

O_o That song is atrocious.

 

If my niece ever tried to listen to that in my home i would take her musical device away.