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[Heimdall]

lol no they didn't, they locked her in a room with no human contact, and told her to suppress her powers, being locked in a room and being lonely does not help a person gain control of there emotions.

They didn't lock her in, Elsa did that herself. Her own terror at the idea of accidentally hurting people (Especially Anna again) created those feelings of shame, not her parents.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

We must have been watching different film because I clearly saw her Father telling her to suppress her powers, and putting her in a room by herself and locking up the castle and sending away all the people who worked for them.

[LPPrince]

We must have been watching different film because I clearly saw her Father telling her to suppress her powers, and putting her in a room by herself and locking up the castle and sending away all the people who worked for them.

 

*Never told her to suppress her powers. He gave her gloves that kept her from freezing everything she touched while she still lacked control over her cryokinesis

 

*Put her in a room by herself, yes. Keeps Anna safe from another near-fatal accident

 

*Locked up the castle because people constantly visiting would wonder where Elsa was, which increases the risk of something happening, given interactions with the populace

 

*Cut the amount of people working in the castle in half, again to keep people safe, especially Elsa, accounting for other potential accidents

 

All sensible responses to the event that transpired between the sisters. Same reason why people give up their pet burmese pythons when they have a kid. You don't know what'll happen, so you play it as safe as possible.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Constantly acting like your kid is going to cause something terrible to happen is going to mess them up, regardless of intent.

Only reason Elsa feared her powers was because her parents did. The whole incident could've been prevented if only they calmed down.

 

And finally, Of course King Pinky told Elsa to suppress not only her powers, but also her emotions, what do you think "Conceal, don't feel" means?

[LPPrince]

Thats cause Elsa WAS causing terrible things to happen-freezing basically everything she touched.

 

And they were calm. "Conceal, don't feel, don't let it show" wasn't shouted at her in anger or fear, it was told to her in a reassuring and calm tone.

 

It was Elsa who was truly scared of hurting someone again;she was the one who backed away from her parents because of her fear of hurting them.

 

Elsa was the one who needed to calm down and relax. It was on her to do so but even with her parents' support and urging she couldn't get over her fear of nearly killing someone again like she had with her sister.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Kinda hard to calm down when everyones goin all,

"Oh careful, or you'll kill someone in an ice-related manner, here wear these gloves and remember our little phrase! We're genius parents NARF!"

 

Anna turned out fine just got cooler hair. Just get a cap on Elsas emotions, which locking a little girl in a small room to freely hate herself in, any psychologist can tell you is a bad idea. Encourage your kids to go outside, she woulda been fine if she just went out like once a week, She's bloody royalty, not like something bad or stressful woulda happened.

 

I'm done with this though.

Frozens not a film I should debating about, I basically said everything I need to say about it my Tumblr post.

[LPPrince]

The snark in the hypothetical quote screams pessimistic bias.

 

Again, she wasn't "locked in" anywhere. Not until later in the movie, and that was all Hans.

 

When she was a kid she was freezing stuff in her own room;outside would've been a disaster.

 

Being royalty DOES make it worse. I know personally about the expectations that brings. Expectations are bad enough for an adult;for a little girl the stress would be insane if not painful.

[EarthboundNess]

Yup, that's one thing you have to remember, Elsa's exile was self imposed, beyond the parents locking down the castle anyway.

 

It was only Elsa's moral convictions keeping her in that room away from Anna, feeling responsible for the accident and seeking to avoid it happening again.

 

The parents giving bad advice is a whole other thing, but frankly I wouldn't blame them for that either. They did what they could with what little they knew.  They may have simply moved on to the mentality that it was worth keeping Elsa in the castle at her expense in order to protect their kingdom whilst sparing a more drastic solution. I've seen worse moral judgements.

 

Besides, kids are a handful at the best of times. Raising someone who could kill you as soon as look at you is not a task I'd envy them for. (How they even survived the teenage years, I do not know.)

[EarthboundNess]

Oh, I almost forgot.

 

 

Being royalty DOES make it worse. I know personally about the expectations that brings. Expectations are bad enough for an adult;for a little girl the stress would be insane if not painful.

 

Spoiler

Perhaps one day you will forgive me.

[LPPrince]

I lol'd

[LPPrince]

 (How they even survived the teenage years, I do not know.)

 

To be fair, by then she was likely improving. Not drastically though.

[EarthboundNess]

Mhm. Not much room for angsty teenage tomfoolery when your hiding yourself away the whole time I suppose.

 

[LPPrince]

Mhm. Not much room for angsty teenage tomfoolery when your hiding yourself away the whole time I suppose.

 

There's so much room to add to the Frozen story with future content, gaaah

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

So Drama, Romance and sisterhood relationship are the reasons this animation is selling.

 

Toy Story 3 was much a better animation than Frozen. It really had lots of good characters. That's a shame that Frozen should sell more than Toy Story 3.

 

But considering movies that have the highest grosses it isn't such an honor anyway:

 

1 Avatar $2,782,275,172 2009 ^{[# 1]} 2 Titanic $2,186,772,302 1997 ^{[# 2]} 3 The Avengers $1,518,594,910 2012 ^{[# 3]} 4 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 $1,341,511,219 2011 ^{[# 4]} 5 Iron Man 3 $1,215,439,994 2013 ^{[# 5]} 6 Transformers: Dark of the Moon $1,123,794,079 2011 ^{[# 6]}

7 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King $1,119,929,521 2003 ^{[# 7]}

 

Heck, only No.3, 4 and 7 are my favorites.

[LPPrince]

So Drama, Romance and sisterhood relationship are the reasons this animation is selling.

 

Some of the reasons, sure. I wouldn't say romance though, there is FAR less of it in Frozen than in other films.

[Isichar]

So Drama, Romance and sisterhood relationship are the reasons this animation is selling.

 

Toy Story 3 was much a better animation than Frozen. It really had lots of good characters. That's a shame that Frozen should sell more than Toy Story 3.

 

But considering movies that have the highest grosses it isn't such an honor anyway:

 

1 Avatar $2,782,275,172 2009 ^{[# 1]} 2 Titanic $2,186,772,302 1997 ^{[# 2]} 3 The Avengers $1,518,594,910 2012 ^{[# 3]} 4 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 $1,341,511,219 2011 ^{[# 4]} 5 Iron Man 3 $1,215,439,994 2013 ^{[# 5]} 6 Transformers: Dark of the Moon $1,123,794,079 2011 ^{[# 6]}

7 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King $1,119,929,521 2003 ^{[# 7]}

 

Heck, only No.3, 4 and 7 are my favorites.

 

I agree TS3 had better animation, although I would say I found Frozen to visually be more aesthetically pleasing mostly because of the whole winter/ice setting. Characters I mostly agree with.

 

Top grossing is not necessarily indicative of quality despite what some people in this thread seem to think.

[Dominus]

So Drama, Romance and sisterhood relationship are the reasons this animation is selling.

Romance? The majority of that movie either strayed away from it, or threw the Hans/Anna thing in reverse. Besides that moment, the end is the closest thing to a romantic scene I can think of. And even that was brief.

Toy Story 3 was much a better animation than Frozen. It really had lots of good characters.

Both films worked well on those fronts, I think. The antagonist and ken stood out for me from TS3.

[LPPrince]

Romance? The majority of that movie either strayed away from it, or threw the Hans/Anna thing in reverse. Besides that moment, the end is the closest thing to a romantic scene I can think of. And even that was brief.

 

Aye, I'm not seeing the romance being a reason to watch the film. If anything, people love the movie because its so subtle/subdued.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

This one also didn't really have much of a romance, but its gross is bellow average:

 

 

I guess the setting and characters weren't appealing enough!

[Heimdall]

Aye, I'm not seeing the romance being a reason to watch the film. If anything, people love the movie because its so subtle/subdued.

I'd argue, subversive.

[EarthboundNess]

 

Top grossing is not necessarily indicative of quality despite what some people in this thread seem to think.

 

So far as I remember, (I'm not scrolling through 180 pages to find out) one person's mentioned that viewpoint and its one that he/she is entitled to. Not quite as rampant as you'd like to think.

[EarthboundNess]

This one also didn't really have much of a romance, but its gross is bellow average:

 

 

I guess the setting and characters weren't appealing enough!

 

Heh, I'd say that film wasn't too popular because its been done very similarly before.

 

But then Frozen's completely inspired by The Snow Queen so idk.

[LPPrince]

But then Frozen's completely inspired by The Snow Queen so idk.

 

Well, to a degree. Yes its inspired by The Snow Queen, but they changed A LOT to make it into Frozen.

 

Which is good, iThink. Its how we got what we got, which is fantastic.

[EarthboundNess]

Aye. I say completely in that with Disney's trend of basing films off existing books and fairy tales, Frozen probably wouldn't exist without it.

 

The two had a lot more in common during Frozen's concept phase as well by the looks of things.

[LPPrince]

Aye. I say completely in that with Disney's trend of basing films off existing books and fairy tales, Frozen probably wouldn't exist without it.

 

The two had a lot more in common during Frozen's concept phase as well by the looks of things.

 

Well yeah, that tends to be how it goes. Remember they'd been trying to make this movie for decades and decades and decades.