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megabeast37215 wrote...

dumdum2 wrote...

FuriousFelicia wrote...

Someone should do a vid that would explain the best way to move through the maps, and how to do the objectives when you're alone.

Salmon can do it I guess, he just started recording commentary and as far as I know he will be doing some guides for this multiplayer.

Will he show me how to put the Crutcholyte on every class?  

I haven't seen him use that one in a long time now. In the past he always had the Acolyte as a backup weapon but now I mostly see him use the Venom for that instead. Myself I almost never use a backup weapon because I don't want to get bothered with switching weapons in the game 

[NuclearTech76]

Acolyte+Inferno Nades is pretty damn easy as well. You never have to face an enemy really.

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FuriousFelicia wrote...

Yes you see, I would have no trouble getting to wave 3 plat..say..reapers/giant, without using any consumables. Hell, I'll do it without ever dropping my SG but I will probbably need 5 gels, all 6 ops packs, and a few missiles to get through that objective alive, and those numbers can varry depending on the situation.

Just an example.

Yeah, objectives are usually the hardest part in a solo. In the duo I posted you can see that we got a hack on wave 10, and when the hack was almost done Salmon chickened out and wanted to kite the enemies while I wanted to stay. I knew that we only needed to stay a few more seconds and that it would have been no problem to dance around the Banshee for a bit, but he didn't want to risk it. I still stayed long enough to complete the objective but that's a call you can only do with enough experience.

Salmon is so used to playing with randoms that his instinct tells him to run away in that situation. I'm more used to soloing than anything else so I judge the situation a bit differently. Also since I was the host I didn't have to worry about lag around Banshees and such.

If I only knew how to record my voice then I would do some commentary as well I believe 

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NuclearTech76 wrote...

Acolyte+Inferno Nades is pretty damn easy as well. You never have to face an enemy really.

I won't disagree with that statement. Although having to run around grabbing grenades in order to kill enemies can be annoying. But as long as you use your Acolyte to take down barriers and shields and then aim your grenades correctly (so they are not blocked by Banshees) it would be a quite easy solo. Lack of mobility on classes with Inferno Grenades can be a problem for new players though, as will the lack of Geth Scanner if you decide to take Grenade Capacity.

I need to make a video of it and compare.

[HardcoreSalmon]

dumdum2 wrote...

FuriousFelicia wrote...

Someone should do a vid that would explain the best way to move through the maps, and how to do the objectives when you're alone.

Salmon can do it I guess, he just started recording commentary and as far as I know he will be doing some guides for this multiplayer.

Yeah I'm gonna try and do a solo guide, I'm very new to commentary so I don't know how good it will be though.

[HardcoreSalmon]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Will he show me how to put the Crutcholyte on every class?  

Alot of the time it is impossible to kill targets in platinum solos without an acolyte unless you use super op classes and weapons. You normally can't afford to use rockets and you have to kill a banshee/praetorian/atlas/prime with 50% damage reduction in 1 minute with every enemy trying to kill you.

The acolyte in a full team is a crutch but in a solo it's more of a response to targets being unfair.

[didacuscarr]

Hardcoresalmon wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Will he show me how to put the Crutcholyte on every class?  

Alot of the time it is impossible to kill targets in platinum solos without an acolyte unless you use super op classes and weapons. You normally can't afford to use rockets and you have to kill a banshee/praetorian/atlas/prime with 50% damage reduction in 1 minute with every enemy trying to kill you.

The acolyte in a full team is a crutch but in a solo it's more of a response to targets being unfair.

My response is usually rage quit. 

[BadDad67]

Good thread op, you certainly do not live up to your name.
Sound, well thought out responses - even when baited a couple times.
I like the idea of trying this as a duo (ftftl?).
I doubt I could accomplish a solo with this idea because I am pretty sure I would freak out and start shooting at some point.
But I just might try it.

[Lightwave]

I would argue that if a build requires that a player choose when to run from enemies or use cover then it really isn't 'easy' - especially if the overall aim is to give players a really easy way to Lone Wolf.

That's not saying reave is not a meritable idea, it's just definitely more challenging than some alternatives, especially when you consider that a pure charge-melee-melee Kroguard-Geth needs no tactical decisions and will not die if played the same way constantly with nothing more than a Cyclonic Modulator; there's no use of cover or running away or using weapons (weapon reloads expose players to stunlock, though the beginner's M3-Predator is totally safe and will speed things up a little). Gold Solos effortlessly breeze by in less than 30 minutes each. I've done it with nothing equipped whatsoever and no weapon, stubbornly and thoughtlessly playing the same 3 button sequence each wave and extracted first time. Even with all the disadvantages of 60fp and it still works safely, though without the Cyclonic Modulator, wave 9 & 10 can be hairy and I don't recommend.

Also with the Kroguard pure melee build only the devices and pizzas require some skill to complete, but this is no different to every other build. But unlike any other build I can think of, players don't need tactics or special skills for the other objectives, with hacks, escorts or targets - they just carry on charge-melee-melee everything and it's just win win win, farming Gold solos with virtually no stress or effort.

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Hardcoresalmon wrote...

dumdum2 wrote...

FuriousFelicia wrote...

Someone should do a vid that would explain the best way to move through the maps, and how to do the objectives when you're alone.

Salmon can do it I guess, he just started recording commentary and as far as I know he will be doing some guides for this multiplayer.

Yeah I'm gonna try and do a solo guide, I'm very new to commentary so I don't know how good it will be though.

It will probably be very good, I watched some of your latest videos with commentary and it was totally fine.

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BadDad67 wrote...

Good thread op, you certainly do not live up to your name.
Sound, well thought out responses - even when baited a couple times.
I like the idea of trying this as a duo (ftftl?).
I doubt I could accomplish a solo with this idea because I am pretty sure I would freak out and start shooting at some point.
But I just might try it.

Lol, you haven't been here for long have you? Most people here would say that I "live" up to my name just because of the way I behave a lot of the time here, I like trolling you know 

But yes, try it out, although if you are going to use it in a solo then use a full build with a defensive or offensive bubble and combine it with a good enough weapon. I would say the CSMG or the Talon would be amazing for this. Have the Power Amp on the weapon together with the increased damage or increased capacity, then put Armor Piercing Rounds IV on (Warp is good as well but can't shoot through cover).

We used Reave in the video only to demonstrate how effective it could be, if you're going to do a solo then don't restrain yourself to only using one power.

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Lightwave wrote...

I would argue that if a build requires that a player choose when to run from enemies or use cover then it really isn't 'easy' - especially if the overall aim is to give players a really easy way to Lone Wolf.

It's about giving players another option that might suit their individual playstyle a bit more. How easy something is lies in the eye of the beholder, some people might find the Reave tactic very easy and some may find the Kroguard playstyle very easy, it all depends on the individual player.

For instance, I find it easier to get a 10 waves survived Gold or Platinum solo with a GI that can kill things fast instead of a class that has better survivability. For me the survivability comes from being able to kill things before they can kill me, for other players it might come from being able to take a lot of damage before dying. It's all about the playstyle.

[Cirvante]

dumdum2 wrote...

So BSN, what say you? Would this be very hard to do on PC?

No, but you'd need to have too much time on your hands. Seriously, how could this possibly be easier than Acolyte + Flamer versus Rippers?

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Cirvante wrote...

dumdum2 wrote...

So BSN, what say you? Would this be very hard to do on PC?

No, but you'd need to have too much time on your hands. Seriously, how could this possibly be easier than Acolyte + Flamer versus Rippers?

Where did I say it would be easier?

There are many easy ways to do it, and this is one of them even though few players know about it. And depending on the playstyle of the individual player one might find one approach easier than the other, but that is just because of that players preference.

For me I find GI GPS against Geth the easiest way to solo Gold. Put on some Disruptor Rounds and kill everything in one shot except for Primes. But just because that suits my playstyle the best doesn't necessarily mean that it is the easiest way for everyone else? Same concept, different approach 

[BadDad67]

dumdum2 wrote...

BadDad67 wrote...

Good thread op, you certainly do not live up to your name.
Sound, well thought out responses - even when baited a couple times.
I like the idea of trying this as a duo (ftftl?).
I doubt I could accomplish a solo with this idea because I am pretty sure I would freak out and start shooting at some point.
But I just might try it.

Lol, you haven't been here for long have you? Most people here would say that I "live" up to my name just because of the way I behave a lot of the time here, I like trolling you know 

But yes, try it out, although if you are going to use it in a solo then use a full build with a defensive or offensive bubble and combine it with a good enough weapon. I would say the CSMG or the Talon would be amazing for this. Have the Power Amp on the weapon together with the increased damage or increased capacity, then put Armor Piercing Rounds IV on (Warp is good as well but can't shoot through cover).

We used Reave in the video only to demonstrate how effective it could be, if you're going to do a solo then don't restrain yourself to only using one power.

I have been here a long time, and yes I know. I guess I just like to recognize good behavior when I see it.
I don't do it often because it is not appropriate BSN etiquette.

Also... I thought the idea was Reave only - no shooting? I know I need a pistol, but only for the amp right?

[SlimJim0725]

FasterThanFTL wrote...

Maybe on consoles it is possible but on PC I doubt it because on PC the AI is not brain dead.

Tell that to N7-Link... 

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BadDad67 wrote...

Also... I thought the idea was Reave only - no shooting? I know I need a pistol, but only for the amp right?

The idea for the duo that HardcoreFish and I did was Reave only, and of course you can do it with only Reave in a solo if you want, but it would go faster and probably easier if you also used your weapon and bubble from time to time 

You choose how you want to do it, only with Reave or in combination with other powers and weapons.

[Cirvante]

dumdum2 wrote...

Cirvante wrote...

dumdum2 wrote...

So BSN, what say you? Would this be very hard to do on PC?

No, but you'd need to have too much time on your hands. Seriously, how could this possibly be easier than Acolyte + Flamer versus Rippers?

Where did I say it would be easier?

There are many easy ways to do it, and this is one of them even though few players know about it. And depending on the playstyle of the individual player one might find one approach easier than the other, but that is just because of that players preference.

For me I find GI GPS against Geth the easiest way to solo Gold. Put on some Disruptor Rounds and kill everything in one shot except for Primes. But just because that suits my playstyle the best doesn't necessarily mean that it is the easiest way for everyone else? Same concept, different approach 

It would still be much more time consuming. And if players know how to kite enemies around the map while mostly staying in soft cover, they might as well take an easier/faster approach than stacking Reave.

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Cirvante wrote...

dumdum2 wrote...

Cirvante wrote...

dumdum2 wrote...

So BSN, what say you? Would this be very hard to do on PC?

No, but you'd need to have too much time on your hands. Seriously, how could this possibly be easier than Acolyte + Flamer versus Rippers?

Where did I say it would be easier?

There are many easy ways to do it, and this is one of them even though few players know about it. And depending on the playstyle of the individual player one might find one approach easier than the other, but that is just because of that players preference.

For me I find GI GPS against Geth the easiest way to solo Gold. Put on some Disruptor Rounds and kill everything in one shot except for Primes. But just because that suits my playstyle the best doesn't necessarily mean that it is the easiest way for everyone else? Same concept, different approach 

It would still be much more time consuming. And if players know how to kite enemies around the map while mostly staying in soft cover, they might as well take an easier/faster approach than stacking Reave.

Stacking Reave plus shooting is actually quite fast though. But yes, if a player can finish a solo faster and easier with another approach then that would probably be the best for them. If they can't finish it faster and easier with another approach then they can try this approach, makes sense right?

[Lightwave]

dumdum2 wrote...
For instance, I find it easier to get a 10 waves survived Gold or Platinum solo with a GI that can kill things fast instead of a class that has better survivability. For me the survivability comes from being able to kill things before they can kill me, for other players it might come from being able to take a lot of damage before dying. It's all about the playstyle.

Yes, I do appreciate that perspective. Sniper GI players need the skill of repeatedly zoom aiming without puking everywhere and feeling disorientated, whilst simultaneously retaining their spacial and environmental awareness so they are neither flanked nor stagger-killed by Prime/Rocket/Ravager/Atlas/Scion blasts from another direction - this is mentally really quite demanding. I'm hopeless at sniping husks to the point I usually just run down and start hitting them with my hands instead. 

By comparison the melee Kroguard is just brutal simplistic madness that exploits the game mechanics to the point of near invincibility, that survivability is also a whopping bonus when it comes to unlucky device/pizza placement or the occasional game code failure when things don't function the way they should. The only real skill is being able to spot a new enemy to charge after you've killed the last ones. Personally the Shotgun GI vexes and beats me, it's high risk and dependent on the number of enemies present as to whether the strike is survivable or not - i.e. there's skill and decision making involved, and maybe framerate affects the success rate - the only thing that dies like the mooks in the vids is myself. 

Btw I agree that the up front Kroguard is not necessarily comfortable or wise for some people, but I assumed by that you were referring to the popular Reegar style which can be a pretty disastrous style for new players, especially if they charge and get surrounded in a multiple-Prime/Bomber/Pyro Wave9 sandwich; by comparison the melee Kroguard eats up all scenarios and spits them out all the time protected by consistent sequences of invulnerability and damage protection.

Also I feel it's important that all example solo videos respect that many players still have very comparatively poor manifests, my alt profile with 100 hours is still missing several rare weapons despite mostly doing Golds and Plats, hence I think proving easy solo techniques should involve not equipping anything in the gear slot and only equipping a common/uncommon weapon, otherwise some players cannot replicate it. Since most players will have consumables handy for their 2 solos, I think they're fair game to demonstrate with.

I guess what could be really nice for players looking to compare and find their preferred easy solo technique would be to have a combined video of the most popular easiest solo Gold playing styles, just showing waves 9+10 with each, with their respective builds (maybe at the end so the various examples are fast flowing). There are so many videos out there and frankly some apparently easy solos are actually really hard for the average player to replicate. Having the most popular ones in a single vid would be really neat. Anyway, good job.

[megabeast37215]

Hardcoresalmon wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Will he show me how to put the Crutcholyte on every class?  

Alot of the time it is impossible to kill targets in platinum solos without an acolyte unless you use super op classes and weapons. You normally can't afford to use rockets and you have to kill a banshee/praetorian/atlas/prime with 50% damage reduction in 1 minute with every enemy trying to kill you.

The acolyte in a full team is a crutch but in a solo it's more of a response to targets being unfair.

Sure because things like Disruptor ammo and Phasic ammo used with AP mods are not viable options... and classes with Overload, Energy Drain, Arc Nades, Sabotage, and to a lesser extent, Submission Net clearly do not exist. 

Some classes that don't have an easy built in shield answer it makes sense, also on kits that can't CC as good without it (Singularity kits for example).. my feelings about this are on record multiple times though. Crutch on might Salmon 

[Shadohz]

Would it be 'easy'... ehhhh I dunno. Reave/Radius makes it easy to blindly hit multiple targets from a distance but it would still come down to player skill and kiting on Obj waves. That's most likely where they are going to choke. Most people I've seen fail the Kroguard/Geth did it because they used a small map and didn't take out bombers/pyros before attacking primes (bad strategy). The Kroguard/Disciple>>BC/Melee is actually better than Kroguard/Reegar>>BC/Shoot. As much as I love the AJA, I think the huntress would fare about the same for a noobie.

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Lightwave wrote...

Also I feel it's important that all example solo videos respect that many players still have very comparatively poor manifests, my alt profile with 100 hours is still missing several rare weapons despite mostly doing Golds and Plats, hence I think proving easy solo techniques should involve not equipping anything in the gear slot and only equipping a common/uncommon weapon, otherwise some players cannot replicate it. Since most players will have consumables handy for their 2 solos, I think they're fair game to demonstrate with.

This I totally agree with. If you are going to show new players with basic manifests how to complete a solo then you should play with a smiliar "manifest" in order to really help them.

It can't get more basic than my lvl 0 solo with the Avenger that I posted though 

I believe I should do a few solos with the AJ just to show how it can be done. One solo using only Reave, one solo using a full build with a basic manifest, and one solo with a full build and the full manifest to choose from.

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megabeast37215 wrote...

Hardcoresalmon wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Will he show me how to put the Crutcholyte on every class?  

Alot of the time it is impossible to kill targets in platinum solos without an acolyte unless you use super op classes and weapons. You normally can't afford to use rockets and you have to kill a banshee/praetorian/atlas/prime with 50% damage reduction in 1 minute with every enemy trying to kill you.

The acolyte in a full team is a crutch but in a solo it's more of a response to targets being unfair.

Sure because things like Disruptor ammo and Phasic ammo used with AP mods are not viable options... and classes with Overload, Energy Drain, Arc Nades, Sabotage, and to a lesser extent, Submission Net clearly do not exist. 

Some classes that don't have an easy built in shield answer it makes sense, also on kits that can't CC as good without it (Singularity kits for example).. my feelings about this are on record multiple times though. Crutch on might Salmon 

Well, Salmon could solo long before he got the Acolyte so I don't really see how it would make it a crutch for him 

I usually use it as my only weapon on the Human Sentinel (no backup weapon), can't really think of any other class that I use the Acolyte on. The reason as to why we had the Acolyte equipped in our AJ/Reave duo was so that we wouldn't trigger our weapons by accident, due to the chargeup mechanic it was perfect for this duo.

I'm just wondering now, why would you have a problem with him using the Acolyte in a solo video? inb46/6/6/6/6

[Red Panda]

It'd be easier if they hid behind the spaceship on Reactor with snap freeze, slash, or smash.