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[Grieving Natashina]

Batteries wrote...

Bend them all over my knee and spank them.

Isabella: Friendship +15 

<--sick and can't sleep.  Waiting for cold meds to kick in. 

Modifié par Starsyn, 07 janvier 2014 - 01:00 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Jaison1986 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

What makes you think they will have a choice in my game?

Fixed

Because to you it will surely end like that. While in mine, for example, most of the templars will be likely dead near the end game.

I was speaking of the example in question. If you choose to ignore it so be it, but then why include yourself in the discussion?

In the example Lotion presents, the mages obviously would not even have choice, wether to accept the new Circle or not.

[Jaison1986]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

What makes you think they will have a choice in my game?

Fixed

Because to you it will surely end like that. While in mine, for example, most of the templars will be likely dead near the end game.

I was speaking of the example in question. If you choose to ignore it so be it, but then why include yourself in the discussion?

In the example Lotion presents, the mages obviously would not even have choice, wether to accept the new Circle or not.

In Lotion game then. But you also didn't replied to his post, so it looked like you were just giving your opinion.

[The Elder King]

Jaison1986 wrote...


In Lotion game then. But you also didn't replied to his post, so it looked like you were just giving your opinion.

It actually started from Rassler's hyphotesis of the templars winning the war. Lotion gave a different interpretation of what would happen in the case templars win.
Not to mention that I doubt that there'll be different outcomes to the war, due to the save imports. 

[Lulupab]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

What makes you think they will have a choice in my game?

Fixed

Because to you it will surely end like that. While in mine, for example, most of the templars will be likely dead near the end game.

I was speaking of the example in question. If you choose to ignore it so be it, but then why include yourself in the discussion?

In the example Lotion presents, the mages obviously would not even have choice, wether to accept the new Circle or not.

I don't see why I have to repeat myself. Even in Lotion's scenario like the elves some mages will submit while some will choose Isolation like the Dalish and nothing can be done about those who choose to be on the run. You cannot lead armies to forests and caves etc...

Modifié par Rassler, 07 janvier 2014 - 01:46 .

[The Elder King]

@Rassler: you are simply assuming what would happen. Apostates always existed if there's a Circle system, but we can't say how many will hide.

[Lulupab]

hhh89 wrote...

@Rassler: you are simply assuming what would happen. Apostates always existed if there's a Circle system, but we can't say how many will hide.

That's kinda important that we don't know. How many Dalish are there? We don't know. 

[eye basher]

Rassler wrote...

In my opinion Templars can't truly win, they can win the mage-templar war but they cannot stop people from being born with magic. Lets say Templars win the war. Many mages won't submit to Templar leadership again and will take the path the Dalish have taken. There will never be enough Templars to watch every corner of Thedas. Mage rebellions will constantly rise everywhere in Thedas, we will see more and more people like Anders , everyone will get frustrated and chaos will overwhelm Thedas. People will stop joining Templar ranks as it is automatically becoming a death wish. Unless there is a magical tranquilize all thedas button to be pushed, but wait there is a cure for tranquility and a cured tranquil might become very crazy and go on a killing spree. Just a speculation but I believe its a good one.

That being said a sort of compromise is the only way but not the circles again.

You don't have to police all oh thedas if you put enough fear of mages into people they will linch them for you.

[Lulupab]

eye basher wrote...

Rassler wrote...

In my opinion Templars can't truly win, they can win the mage-templar war but they cannot stop people from being born with magic. Lets say Templars win the war. Many mages won't submit to Templar leadership again and will take the path the Dalish have taken. There will never be enough Templars to watch every corner of Thedas. Mage rebellions will constantly rise everywhere in Thedas, we will see more and more people like Anders , everyone will get frustrated and chaos will overwhelm Thedas. People will stop joining Templar ranks as it is automatically becoming a death wish. Unless there is a magical tranquilize all thedas button to be pushed, but wait there is a cure for tranquility and a cured tranquil might become very crazy and go on a killing spree. Just a speculation but I believe its a good one.

That being said a sort of compromise is the only way but not the circles again.

You don't have to police all oh thedas if you put enough fear of mages into people they will linch them for you.

Oh yes, this is why humans are starting to leave forests wondered by the Dalish with each passing year. They are starting to fear the Dalish, not the other way around.

If mundanes find out a forest is filled with blood mages they will shi-t in their pants, drop their pants and run away with their underwear.

Modifié par Rassler, 07 janvier 2014 - 02:08 .

[The Elder King]

Rassler wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@Rassler: you are simply assuming what would happen. Apostates always existed if there's a Circle system, but we can't say how many will hide.

That's kinda important that we don't know. How many Dalish are there? We don't know. 

What the dalish have to do with mages hiding?

[Lulupab]

hhh89 wrote...

Rassler wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@Rassler: you are simply assuming what would happen. Apostates always existed if there's a Circle system, but we can't say how many will hide.

That's kinda important that we don't know. How many Dalish are there? We don't know. 

What the dalish have to do with mages hiding?

I meant the hiding in general. When a group of peole decide to go into hiding you won't know what they are doing and it can create fear.

[The Elder King]

@Rassler: True, but the reasons why mages might (or might not) decide to hide isn't related to the possibility of create fear. The same goes for dalish. They became nomads because they don't want to bow to humans' rules.

[Teddie Sage]

Toss the templars zealots in a tower and guard it with mages to make them understand how horrible for mages to live like animals. Reverse psychology, FTW.

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 07 janvier 2014 - 02:31 .

[Pasquale1234]

Magdalena11 wrote...

Allowing enchanter-level mages to be employed would mean that they had the means to provide for themselves and possibly even a family. They would not be obliged to the tranquil's enchantments for room and board. That's actually the main reason, I think, that romantic involvement is prohibited. The circle doesn't want more mouths to feed.

That may be part of the reason, but I think they might also be trying to limit the size of the mage population.  We know that mages are born to mundanes, and it seems that there is a higher probability of mage's children having magic.  If more mages had children, the mage population could quickly swell from, for example, 5% to 20% or more.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
"We'll'' teach people/mages/templars to love mages/be good/not fear magic".. K.. HOW?

I made a suggestion (back on page 2) that the Circles hold regular open houses to invite the general public in for tea and cakes, magical entertainment, and healing. They could perhaps also offer other magical services - helping to clear land for farming, road-building, whatever.  Fear is often a by-product of ignorance, and law-abiding mages have been isolated in Circle Towers, away from the general public, for generations.  Let them do some socializing, and mundanes to enjoy some of the benefits of magic, and you've taken some big steps toward curing the chasm between the groups.

[Afro_Explosion]

My solution is raise andraste from the dead, and curbstomp both sides with peace and understanding.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rassler wrote...

In my opinion Templars can't truly win, they can win the mage-templar war but they cannot stop people from being born with magic. Lets say Templars win the war. Many mages won't submit to Templar leadership again and will take the path the Dalish have taken. There will never be enough Templars to watch every corner of Thedas. Mage rebellions will constantly rise everywhere in Thedas, we will see more and more people like Anders , everyone will get frustrated and chaos will overwhelm Thedas. People will stop joining Templar ranks as it is automatically becoming a death wish. Unless there is a magical tranquilize all thedas button to be pushed, but wait there is a cure for tranquility and a cured tranquil might become very crazy and go on a killing spree. Just a speculation but I believe its a good one.

That being said a sort of compromise is the only way but not the circles again.

They could if they wanted to be effective because as far they screwd so many times...

"but they cannot stop people from being born with magic."
But they can kill them and when they are dead there is no rebelion...
Even with very weak system most mages is captured add to this intimidation and reward most will sell mages whether out of fear or just for making their life better... oh and instead watching mages they could in 100 % focus on hunting them... 

defeating mages is possible with suitable system against mages.

And i want to tell that templars can crush mages easily as they did many times 9/10 cases templar kicks ass of mages...

[Lord Raijin]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Toss the templars zealots in a tower and guard it with mages to make them understand how horrible for mages to live like animals. Reverse psychology, FTW.

I like that idea.

[Veruin]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Toss the templars zealots in a tower and guard it with mages to make them understand how horrible for mages to live like animals. Reverse psychology, FTW.

You mean like those animals in captivity where they have their needs catered to, are free of disease, and generally  have longer life spans than they would out in the wild?  Nah, you probably want people to think of those humane society commericials with the pictures of abused animals.

[Hellion Rex]

Veruin wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

Toss the templars zealots in a tower and guard it with mages to make them understand how horrible for mages to live like animals. Reverse psychology, FTW.

You mean like those animals in captivity where they have their needs catered to, are free of disease, and generally  have longer life spans than they would out in the wild?  Nah, you probably want people to think of those humane society commericials with the pictures of abused animals.

A gilded cage is still a cage.

[Veruin]

eluvianix wrote...

A gilded cage is still a cage.

While true, I'm getting sick of people painting the circle as if mages have to walk and sleep in their own toilet.

[EmperorSahlertz]

eluvianix wrote...

Veruin wrote...

Teddie Sage wrote...

Toss the templars zealots in a tower and guard it with mages to make them understand how horrible for mages to live like animals. Reverse psychology, FTW.

You mean like those animals in captivity where they have their needs catered to, are free of disease, and generally  have longer life spans than they would out in the wild?  Nah, you probably want people to think of those humane society commericials with the pictures of abused animals.

A gilded cage is still a cage.

Society is a cage. Let us tear it down.

[andy6915]

Veruin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

A gilded cage is still a cage.

While true, I'm getting sick of people painting the circle as if mages have to walk and sleep in their own toilet.

Yeah, comparing animals in a zoo is definitely a good comparison to humans locked away just for existing. I forgot that human brains and lion brains work in the exact same way and need the same accommodations.

I'm being sarcastic by the way.

Modifié par andy69156915, 07 janvier 2014 - 04:41 .

[Medhia Nox]

@eluvianix: And what isn't a cage?

How is any ruling body over a populace NOT a cage?

You aren't free from the governance of a power over you - nobody is.

The question is, was the governing body over the mages, unconscionable. The answer would be yes.

But "freedom" cannot ever be a reason goal.

[Lord Raijin]

Veruin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

A gilded cage is still a cage.

While true, I'm getting sick of people painting the circle as if mages have to walk and sleep in their own toilet.

They essentinally do.

[Hellion Rex]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Veruin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

A gilded cage is still a cage.

While true, I'm getting sick of people painting the circle as if mages have to walk and sleep in their own toilet.

They essentinally do.

Not really...