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[Lotion Soronarr]

Han Shot First wrote...
His loyalities are going to lie with the realm, not with factions that inhabit it. That *might* make him fanatically loyal to Empress Celene, depending on how she is presented.

Given that Celene is said to be young and beautifull, is an empress and is probably bi or lesbian.
Yeah..I can see how many will be loyal to her.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

It is a worthy goal to aspire towards, but when mundanes are quite clearly different from mages, in a very dangerous way, there must be special rules apllied to the condition of magic.

We don't let blind people drive cars either, even though they are our equals.

We let anyone drive a car if he can pass a skills test.  One of those skills is seeing.  If a blind person had a prosthetic device that granted him the same information other people gain visually, he could pass the test and be allowed to drive.

That he is blind isn't strictly relevant.  That he cannot safely operate a car is.

What standard do mages fail to meet that mundanes do meet?

If the blind man can see, then he isn't blind now is he? He would be blind without his prosthetic.

Mages presents very real dangers by their mere existsance, in addition to any other danger the human condition presents, which merits additional checks and controls.

[TheButterflyEffect]

the Qun is as BS as the church of the flying spaghetti monster.

[KainD]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

the Qun is as BS as the church of the flying spaghetti monster.

Nah, it's better because it exists and is honest. 

[Lulupab]

Yes lets ignore everything and count on maker, who abandoned humanity twice, to fix everything.

If you have any questions regarding this matter Elthina will answer them all as she is an expert in leaving things at the "hands" of the maker

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Kill all the humans, elves, and qunari.

Then the Dwarves shall rule the world!!!

[Lord Raijin]

My solution for fixing the Mage/Templar problem is quite simple. Force the Chantry to give complete ownership of each Circles to the countries government (King/Queen/Emperor/Empress/etc). The seekers/Templar's will still guard the Circles and watch for corruption, but they must conform to the laws of the land, and not the Chantry.

The Circles will still have a chaplain so the Chantry is still very much involved, but not as exclusively.

[The Elder King]

Lord Raijin wrote...

My solution for fixing the Mage/Templar problem is quite simple. Force the Chantry to give complete ownership of each Circles to the countries government (King/Queen/Emperor/Empress/etc). The seekers/Templar's will still guard the Circles and watch for corruption, but they must conform to the laws of the land, and not the Chantry.

The Circles will still have a chaplain so the Chantry is still very much involved, but not as exclusively.

I don't see why anyone should 'force' the Chantry to give ownership of the Circles to the countries, since the mages separated from it. Based on your solution, we should convince the Chantry to accept the new system, but considering that they've lost most of their forces, if the mages already made deals with the countries the Chantry isn't able to oppose it.

[Sylvius the Mad]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Mages presents very real dangers by their mere existsance, in addition to any other danger the human condition presents, which merits additional checks and controls.

What incentive do mages have to abide by these extra restrictions placed upon them?

Why wouldn't they rebel?

[EmperorSahlertz]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Mages presents very real dangers by their mere existsance, in addition to any other danger the human condition presents, which merits additional checks and controls.

What incentive do mages have to abide by these extra restrictions placed upon them?

Why wouldn't they rebel?

What makes you think that these restrictions would ne inherently unfair?

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Mages presents very real dangers by their mere existsance, in addition to any other danger the human condition presents, which merits additional checks and controls.

What incentive do mages have to abide by these extra restrictions placed upon them?

Why wouldn't they rebel?

What makes you think that these restrictions would ne inherently unfair?

Would mages be allowed to weigh in on those restrictions?

[The Elder King]

I'd say one incentive mages could have in the Circles (regardless of the fact that in this case I'd intend to modify some rules) is that the living condition are better than the living condition of common people.

Modifié par hhh89, 08 janvier 2014 - 11:32 .

[Lulupab]

hhh89 wrote...

I'd say one incentive mages could have in the Circles (regardless of the fact that in this case I'd intend to modify some rules) is that the living condition are better than the living condition of common people.

I shudder to think how living conditions in Kirkwall circle was that starkhaven mages while on the run ate carrion and slept on mud for 3 years. I mean they prefer living like this to kirkwall circle which as you know was a slave pen before.

LOL I just thought of something. DA:I star child incoming

Complete Veil Torn (Syntehsis). Fade becomes one with Thedas Making everyone on Thedas a mage

World wide Lyrium explosion (Destroy)  The explosion removes magic from Thedas, automatically making all mages tranquil and making lyrium extinct on Thedas.

Blood magic (Control). Mass mind control all mundanes. Make every single mundane a slave to mages.

The funny thing is no one dies in either ending, mundanes or mages either become a slave in their own way or they become what the other one is not. Mages become mundanes as everyone is mundane when everyone is a mage and mundanes become mages.

Modifié par Rassler, 09 janvier 2014 - 12:02 .

[The Elder King]

@Rassler: I don't recall the line, does the Starkhaven mages specify why they prefer being on the run? And when they stated it? After Act 2 the condition in the Gallows worsened.
Though to be fair, Kirkwall wasn't the norm of the Circle system.

[Lulupab]

hhh89 wrote...

@Rassler: I don't recall the line, does the Starkhaven mages specify why they prefer being on the run? And when they stated it? After Act 2 the condition in the Gallows worsened.
Though to be fair, Kirkwall wasn't the norm of the Circle system.

The way I understand Grace is speaking for all the Starkhaven mages and it seems they preferd being on the run and the terrible living conditions with it over circle. I might be wrong though.

[The Elder King]

@Rassler: I'd say that the phrase just means that despite all the sacrifices they made to remain hidden, they were still found and sent to the Gallows, which is what they were trying to avoid.
Though by your armour I'd say that scene happens in Act 3, where the living conditions were worsened.

[Lulupab]

hhh89 wrote...

@Rassler: I'd say that the phrase just means that despite all the sacrifices they made to remain hidden, they were still found and sent to the Gallows, which is what they were trying to avoid.
Though by your armour I'd say that scene happens in Act 3, where the living conditions were worsened.

Lol no its Act II. I have a mod (self-made) that makes whatever I wear look like champion's armor. Its not OP like mods that give you champion's armor early and it still gives the awesome look I honestly think Mage's champion armor is much better than the other two but maybe thats just me. I I tried to look like the Hawke from CGI trailer.

Modifié par Rassler, 09 janvier 2014 - 12:17 .

[The Elder King]

Rassler wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@Rassler: I'd say that the phrase just means that despite all the sacrifices they made to remain hidden, they were still found and sent to the Gallows, which is what they were trying to avoid.
Though by your armour I'd say that scene happens in Act 3, where the living conditions were worsened.

Lol no its Act II. I have a mod (self-made) that makes whatever I wear look like champion's armor. Its not OP like mods that give you champion's armor early and it still gives the awesome look I honestly think Mage's champion armor is much better than the other two but maybe thats just me. I I tried to look like the Hawke from CGI trailer.

Understood. I agree that the mage armour was better than the two counterparts, even if I played as a warrior.

[DPSSOC]

Rassler wrote...

Three years on the run, living in the woods, eating carrion...and still we end up here.

The way I understand Grace is speaking for all the Starkhaven mages and it seems they preferd being on the run and the terrible living conditions with it over circle. I might be wrong though.

The line comes across as more of an "and for what?" statement than one of preference.  I'm sure they preferred it to the Circle but in spite of the fact their living conditions were worse.

Modifié par DPSSOC, 09 janvier 2014 - 12:32 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

What makes you think that these restrictions would ne inherently unfair?

They're applied unequally.  Not everyone is subject to them.

As a mage, I would ask why I was treated differently based on what I was, rather than what I did.

[Magdalena11]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

What makes you think that these restrictions would ne inherently unfair?

They're applied unequally.  Not everyone is subject to them.

As a mage, I would ask why I was treated differently based on what I was, rather than what I did.

This is exactly how I feel.  There is an element of danger inside every person on Thedas.  I understand the need for safety to both the mages and general public but don't think this is provided by clamping down tighter.  The mage is at risk for looking to more dangerous sources for liberty and the non-mage populace is at risk from both the abomination that mage may become if he or she feels cornered and from untrained mages who haven't learned to control their power.

[draken-heart]

Hmm,Kill all mages and Templars who want to kill each other?

[Lord Raijin]

hhh89 wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

My solution for fixing the Mage/Templar problem is quite simple. Force the Chantry to give complete ownership of each Circles to the countries government (King/Queen/Emperor/Empress/etc). The seekers/Templar's will still guard the Circles and watch for corruption, but they must conform to the laws of the land, and not the Chantry.

The Circles will still have a chaplain so the Chantry is still very much involved, but not as exclusively.

I don't see why anyone should 'force' the Chantry to give ownership of the Circles to the countries, since the mages separated from it. Based on your solution, we should convince the Chantry to accept the new system, but considering that they've lost most of their forces, if the mages already made deals with the countries the Chantry isn't able to oppose it.

The Chantry most likely aren't going to willingly give up the Circle without being forced to do so. The mages separated themselves from it, but the circle system is still there and it's very important that the mages reastablish themselves to the Circle, but under a complete and an agreeable new management.

Oh and I also believe that Seekers/Templar's should be part of the government's military for dealing with bad mages.