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[Cainhurst Crow]

The mages shall wear heavy armor and learn to wield a sword, the templars shall be trained in staff combat and be given fine clothes to wear, and their consumption of lyrium increased exponentially.

Everyone will become the other, and I'll let madness and chaos consume the land for all eternity while I work to bring about the coming of Gaxkang, true lord of the 9th realm.

[Rotward]

KainD wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

the Qun is as BS as the church of the flying spaghetti monster.

Nah, it's better because it exists and is honest. 

They're both fictional religions, which one is "it"?

[Saints]

 I find a way to make them find everlasting understanding peace with each other

[Lotion Soronarr]

Saints944 wrote...

 I find a way to make them find everlasting understanding peace with each other

That image is going to haunt me in my dreams....

[Grieving Natashina]

Saints944 wrote...

 I find a way to make them find everlasting understanding peace with each other

You leave Littlefoot out of this mess!   

Modifié par Starsyn, 09 janvier 2014 - 09:16 .

[Saints]

I just following by his example.

[TEWR]

Bring in Mewtwo.

[UC SIM]

1. Mages are important, they hold the power to shape the physical world around them, to destroy and create; mend and debilitate. For the benefit of the mages themselves a place of learning is required.

2. Mages are people, they are not cattle. Mages who are treated adversely over a long period of time have shown a tendency to take desperate measures; a solution to this is not to present them with a catalyst.

3. The Templars should serve the mages as wards, to protect the mages and the people they may threaten. They are necessary. However the Templars should have a smaller group of experienced Mages and Templars to observe the mages and templars. Mediating between the groups, in the hope that both groups feel mutual towards each other.

4. Mages should be given autonomy after a period of time. Whilst in their tenure at the circles mages should be trained in maturity and how to best react to the world they live in. Once they have shown that they know how to do this, they are free to travel the world with the condition that they check in with the circles every few months.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

What makes you think that these restrictions would ne inherently unfair?

They're applied unequally.  Not everyone is subject to them.

As a mage, I would ask why I was treated differently based on what I was, rather than what I did.

So if you could shoot lightning out of your hands, you would not see yourself as any different than anyone else?

You would be treated different because your condition would call for a specified set of laws and rules.

If you prefer, you could always see it as the mundanes being treated different becasue they are NOT mages.

You make this strange notion that equality is always fair, but that is only true for as long as everybody is equal. Mages and mundanes are different in many key aspects, that they can no longer be viewed as equal in all matters, and therefore equal treatment of both, would be unfair. Better to have fair treatment of both, than imposed equality on two factions that aren't equal to begin with.

[Osena109]

 Put them all to the sword wipe them all out

[Inprea]

I'm beginning to think the isolationist being the minority isn't unusual. I don't see many of them here or I've over looked them. Well I'll put my solution out there and see what other people think.

First I would restore some power to the local government or people. By this I mean it would be up to the nation to decide if they want chantry involvement with the mages or not. In some nations, Rivain for example the chantry is actually an invasive force. If they want to keep their seers that is their business and they should be allowed to handle such things in the traditional method for the most part. This could easily result in the templars being driven from Rivain which would be fine by me.

Secondly I would restore mobility to the mages. I can understand wanting to be able to walk down the street without worrying that some nut job is going to shoot a lightning bolt up your tailpipe. However, I also believe imprisoning someone for being born as they are is wrong. Thus mages in nations that choose to keep the circle system and templars would be given two choices. Abide by the cirle's rules which might involve living in it or leave.  Mages would no longer be bound to the land they were born in, near or taken to but would be allowed to move freely amongst any location where mages are welcome.

This could include moving to another circle. If you're a mage and you believe the local knight commander is simply intolerable but you don't want to leave the circle entirely you can choose to move to another circle or any nation that would accept you including the Imperium. You could also relocate if you happen to think that other mage in the corner reading about fire is looking a little too darn twitchy for you to feel safe.

The right to relocate I believe would go a long way to balancing out power between the templars and mages. Nations that needed mages would be given an incentive to make them feel welcome, comfortable and safe otherwise the mages are just going to go somewhere they do feel welcome, comfortable and safe rather then being a captive resource.

The third thing I would like to do is really the most expensive and for that reason I'm not certain it'd work. As well building cities even small ones is expensive. I would like to buy some territory that is currently not in use. There is plenty of wide open spaces after all. There I would like to set up a mage only community for the isolationist and those mages who want to live away from mundanes. Initially the settlement would be made up of nothing but mages and perhaps mundanes that are willing to live amongst them knowing the mages will be running the show there. Naturally the first mages there would need to be mages who were trained in using magic to refine the land, build and develop agriculture all of which I believe do exist.

If the chantry/templars wanted and the local authorities agreed to it there could also be a defensive fortress built to insure the mages aren't just saying they're staying in the mage city but are actually slipping back into mundane territory that doesn't welcome them. If the templars or even the chantry was allowed into the mage city would be entirely up to the mages and I'm going to assume they wouldn't be welcome.

[AngryFrozenWater]

I don't see much of a problem. So far Thedas isn't conquered by evil mages. Even the Tevinter Imperium is just one of many empires. That one happens to be one ruled by evil mages. However, it looks like non-mages can handle mages perfectly fine. Rogues and warriors can slice up a mage in no-time whenever that mage causes trouble.

I don't understand why non-evil mages don't create organizations to defend their rights, though. Instead they throw abominations towards the world when their rights are violated or when they are attacked. That seems very counterproductive and that probably doesn't do well for their image.

Also, it seems that non-mages are not against mages in general. A mage-Warden and a mage-Hawke are accepted when they reach high positions or when they gain influence. Nobody riots because of their rule.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 09 janvier 2014 - 03:42 .

[superdeathdealer14]

I say we kill them all burn down villages and pillage cities, kill the guilty and the innocent, and sacrifice young children for no particular reason.

Why?
for the glory of Satan of course, and the Old-Gods but mostly Satan.

[Gorkanus]

superdeathdealer14 wrote...

I say we kill them all burn down villages and pillage cities, kill the guilty and the innocent, and sacrifice young children for no particular reason.

Why?
for the glory of Santa of course, and the Old-Gods but mostly Santa.

oh great another blood mage yankee,Why cant i get crazy cannadian,please please

Modifié par Gorkanus, 09 janvier 2014 - 04:01 .

[Pasquale1234]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

To anyone saying "kill all mages law" or "mass tranqulitiy" is an impossible plan...
No, not really.

Humanity has done crappy things in the pass and conducted mass genocide for far LESS valid reasons. You could say TheDas is more moral, but I don't see it. Humans are humans.

The morality is not the point.  The impracticality is.

And given that templars are already hunting apostates, if there are no Circles for them to babysit, that would free up a LOT of templars to do more hunting. And that is assuming ONLY templars do the mage hunting and no one else.

How many templars do you suppose are prepared to slaughter or tranquil all mages?

You would need vast resources to constantly monitor every child born to every family for signs of magic.

Of course, you'll never kill ALL mages, but you could get most of them.
The remanants of the remants of a tiny minority case to have any significant impact anymore.

And the ones that did slip through would be untrained.  A few Connor / Redcliffe situations here and there, and eventually another Anders.

[superdeathdealer14]

Gorkanus wrote...

superdeathdealer14 wrote...

I say we kill them all burn down villages and pillage cities, kill the guilty and the innocent, and sacrifice young children for no particular reason.

Why?
for the glory of Santa of course, and the Old-Gods but mostly Santa.

oh great another blood mage yankee,Why cant i get crazy cannadian,please please

You're sadly mistaken no I'm not a "yankee" I'm actually Australian (and no I don't talk with a Steve Irwin accent and I don't say g'day to everyone either) and before you say "that pretty much explains much" I don't sound like a crazy person due to my place of birth, I sound like a crazy person because I've had a 3 day DA marathon without sleep and  the only thing I've drank is coffee. 

Oh and I never play as a mage so the part about me being a blood mage is invalid. 

Modifié par superdeathdealer14, 09 janvier 2014 - 04:27 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

So if you could shoot lightning out of your hands, you would not see yourself as any different than anyone else?

I'd probably see myself as better than everyone else.

You make this strange notion that equality is always fair, but that is only true for as long as everybody is equal.

I completely disagree.  Equal treatment is always fair.

Better to have fair treatment of both, than imposed equality on two factions that aren't equal to begin with.

For this to make any sense, I'm going to need a definition of what you mean by fairness.

[KainD]

Rotward wrote...

KainD wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

the Qun is as BS as the church of the flying spaghetti monster.

Nah, it's better because it exists and is honest. 

They're both fictional religions, which one is "it"?

Qun contains nothing fictional, it's a way of life that Qunari just acknoledge, it contains no made up deity. 
Can you even call democracy/communism/anarchy etc a relligion? Because Qun would be in that list.

Modifié par KainD, 09 janvier 2014 - 05:57 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

So if you could shoot lightning out of your hands, you would not see yourself as any different than anyone else?

I'd probably see myself as better than everyone else.

And somehow "equal" treatment would make you NOT have a superiority complex? I sincerely doubt that.

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

You make this strange notion that equality is always fair, but that is only true for as long as everybody is equal.

I completely disagree.  Equal treatment is always fair.

In a world of equals yes. In a world of inequals, no.

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Better to have fair treatment of both, than imposed equality on two factions that aren't equal to begin with.

For this to make any sense, I'm going to need a definition of what you mean by fairness.

Fair would mean an even playing field.
For instance in the world of race horses, if a horse has too much of an advantage you place extra weight in its saddle, so that the other horses have a chance to win.

An even playing field is fair.

An equal playing field, is not necessarily fair.

[Rotward]

KainD wrote...

Rotward wrote...

KainD wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

the Qun is as BS as the church of the flying spaghetti monster.

Nah, it's better because it exists and is honest. 

They're both fictional religions, which one is "it"?

Qun contains nothing fictional, it's a way of life that Qunari just acknoledge, it contains no made up deity. 
Can you even call democracy/communism/anarchy etc a relligion? Because Qun would be in that list.

*facepalm* the qun doesn't really exist, it's part of a fictional universe. They believe in a self evident way that things should be, one that all beings should agree with, or die. That's a religion, minus the god who declared the qun to be true. 

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

You make this strange notion that equality is always fair, but that is only true for as long as everybody is equal.

I completely disagree.  Equal treatment is always fair.

In a world of equals yes. In a world of inequals, no.

In general, you're right. Especially when wealth is involved; fines mean a whole lot less to the rich, unless the fine is percentage of income. 

What one has to be wary of is whether the inequalities are relevant. Wealth is not relevant when discussing jail time, for example. 

Modifié par Rotward, 09 janvier 2014 - 06:25 .

[KainD]

Rotward wrote...
*facepalm* the qun doesn't really exist, it's part of a fictional universe. They believe in a self evident way that things should be, one that all beings should agree with, or die. That's a religion, minus the god who declared the qun to be true. 

Qun started existing the moment someone thought it up. It's would be very easy too replicate Qunari ways of living for the real world. Same as Sith philosophy for example, you don't have to be a part of the Star wars universe to consider Sith ideology and code right and live by it. 

[Rotward]

KainD wrote...

Rotward wrote...
*facepalm* the qun doesn't really exist, it's part of a fictional universe. They believe in a self evident way that things should be, one that all beings should agree with, or die. That's a religion, minus the god who declared the qun to be true. 

Qun started existing the moment someone thought it up. It's would be very easy too replicate Qunari ways of living for the real world. Same as Sith philosophy for example, you don't have to be a part of the Star wars universe to consider Sith ideology and code right and live by it. 

Huh. Why can't I shoot fireballs from my hands? Someone thought of that ages ago! 

The qun is incomplete, we only have access to a tiny portion of the full ideology. It will never be complete - that would be a waste of the writers time. No one actually lives it, so it's not real. 

[Sylvanpyxie]

Dump the Circle Towers/Gallows/One Building Prisons. Expand the Circle. Create towns that remain closely guarded by the Templars and High Ranking Mages, but also allow Mages the feeling of community instead of imprisonment.

Dump the idiotic idea that Mages can only be afforded the support of other Mages. Allow families to live amongst the magical community and offer their support to their magical children or siblings. Give people the freedom to decide if they truly wish to be "rid" of their magical offspring or if they would rather support them in their studies as they attempt to master their magic.

Harrow them. Train them. Guard them. Watch them if you think you must. But allow Mages to build a community, allow them to live amongst those that they love. Afford them the emotional safety net of an actual family. Maybe then they'll stop going completely mental.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 09 janvier 2014 - 06:32 .

[KainD]

Rotward wrote...
Huh. Why can't I shoot fireballs from my hands? Someone thought of that ages ago! 

The qun is incomplete, we only have access to a tiny portion of the full ideology. It will never be complete - that would be a waste of the writers time. No one actually lives it, so it's not real. 

It doesn't matter if it will ever be complete or not, it exists, it's an idea. Ideas are real, but ideas don't change the physical world however, and that's why you don't shoot fireballs. 
Still if you call Qun a religion, you might as well call democracy a religio as well. 

[Hellion Rex]

KainD wrote...

Rotward wrote...
Huh. Why can't I shoot fireballs from my hands? Someone thought of that ages ago! 

The qun is incomplete, we only have access to a tiny portion of the full ideology. It will never be complete - that would be a waste of the writers time. No one actually lives it, so it's not real. 

It doesn't matter if it will ever be complete or not, it exists, it's an idea. Ideas are real, but ideas don't change the physical world however, and that's why you don't shoot fireballs. 
Still if you call Qun a religion, you might as well call democracy a religio as well. 

I agree. It's not a religion, it's just an ideology and way of life.