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[Lulupab]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rotward wrote...

eye basher wrote...

Cut them all down like grass both the mages and the templar problem solved.

Until more mages are born, and more templars are trained...

i guess they will be immortal...
technically mages will born (but sill you can kill them then when they are young) but templars can be exterminated permanently as in thedas it is group with ideology so well you can destroy them then we have new organisations with anti-magical skills but they won't be templars just anti-mages and yet still you can erase knowledge about anti-magic in tev they succeeded.

"Anti magic" abilities need tons of lyrium, give 1/10 of that to mages and they can turn whole million people of anti mage nation to blood and bone.

A templar trains for like ten years to be able to do what a mage innately does with a wave of hand.

[Lulupab]

AresKeith wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Stop pretending the circle is a solution, its quite cruel and unhuman but feel free, its your game.

And stop pretending the Kirkwall Circle is the norm for every circle

The part about accidental babies is true for all circles.

[TheKomandorShepard]

AresKeith wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Stop pretending the circle is a solution, its quite cruel and unhuman but feel free, its your game.

And stop pretending the Kirkwall Circle is the norm for every circle

Well white spire wasn't haven either

[Afro_Explosion]

@Rassler you're applying the terrible state of one circle to all. The only thing that happens in all circles is children being taken away after birth. That isnt terrible, the children are raised and cared for by the chantry most likely.

[AresKeith]

Edit: NVM

mx_keep13 wrote...

@Rassler you're applying the terrible state of one circle to all. The only thing that happens in all circles is children being taken away after birth. That isnt terrible, the children are raised and cared for by the chantry most likely.

Pretty much what I suspect too

Modifié par AresKeith, 12 janvier 2014 - 01:59 .

[Hellion Rex]

NVM

Modifié par eluvianix, 12 janvier 2014 - 02:01 .

[AresKeith]

eluvianix wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Have any proof of that other than Anders, who is a terrible source. 

Are we talking about Circles mages giving up their babies to the Chantry? If so, another source is Wynne. 

Yea, that was it. Someone else already comfirmed it

But I don't really see that as a terrible thing since raising a baby in the Circle would probably not be a good idea

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

mx_keep13 wrote...

@Rassler you're applying the terrible state of one circle to all. The only thing that happens in all circles is children being taken away after birth. That isnt terrible, the children are raised and cared for by the chantry most likely.

I'm sure the mother finds that comforting. Don't get confused, I'm willing to sign off on the Circle system, at least in theory. It is at least potentially (with a lot of reform) the best solution to the threat of abominations, (in that it simultaneously provides a place to train mages not to turn and provides a hardened target for the inevitable failures of the same system) and while the other problems that having mages in the general population would raise aren't major enough to require a step like this (at least on their own) it also solves them. But I'm willing to concede mages seriously get the short end of the stick.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 12 janvier 2014 - 02:05 .

[Hellion Rex]

AresKeith wrote...

Yea, that was it. Someone else already comfirmed it

But I don't really see that as a terrible thing since raising a baby in the Circle would probably not be a good idea

yeah. I edited. I'm not saying it is a terrible idea for the Chantry to take the children, considering how dangerous Circles can potentially become. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rassler wrote...


"Anti magic" abilities need tons of lyrium, give 1/10 of that to mages and they can turn whole million people of anti mage nation to blood and bone.

A templar trains for like ten years to be able to do what a mage innately does with a wave of hand.

Yeah right lets see ultimate power of mages!!! indeed power worthy of the gods even mooks vs madara standed longer

[Magdalena11]

mx_keep13 wrote...

@Rassler you're applying the terrible state of one circle to all. The only thing that happens in all circles is children being taken away after birth. That isnt terrible, the children are raised and cared for by the chantry most likely.

Children were abandoned at the chantry as well, orphans and such.  Being taken away from a parent who could provide a family to be placed in an orphanage, no matter how good-intentioned, isn't right.

[Hellion Rex]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

@Rassler you're applying the terrible state of one circle to all. The only thing that happens in all circles is children being taken away after birth. That isnt terrible, the children are raised and cared for by the chantry most likely.

I'm sure the mother finds that comforting. Don't get confused, I'm willing to sign off on the Circle system, at least in theory. It is at least potentially (with a lot of reform) the best solution to the threat of abominations, (in that it simultaneously provides a place to train mages not to turn and provides a hardened target for the inevitable failures of the same system) and while the other problems that having mages in the general population would raise aren't major enough to require a step like this it also solves them. But I'm willing to concede mages seriously get the short end of the stick.

Mages do indeed get the very short end of the stick. That being said, I regards to the children of mages, even though it is not fair to the mother, I would rather the child go somewhere safer than a Circle when it is born. It is a dangerous place for a baby, with the potential for demons, abominations, or even an Annulment. 

[Hellion Rex]

Magdalena11 wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

@Rassler you're applying the terrible state of one circle to all. The only thing that happens in all circles is children being taken away after birth. That isnt terrible, the children are raised and cared for by the chantry most likely.

Children were abandoned at the chantry as well, orphans and such.  Being taken away from a parent who could provide a family to be placed in an orphanage, no matter how good-intentioned, isn't right.

It isn't fair, I do agree. But where would be safer?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rassler wrote...


"Anti magic" abilities need tons of lyrium, give 1/10 of that to mages and they can turn whole million people of anti mage nation to blood and bone.

A templar trains for like ten years to be able to do what a mage innately does with a wave of hand.

Yeah right lets see ultimate power of mages!!! indeed power worthy of the gods even mooks vs madara standed longer

This again?

In addition to my previous argument that the mages are shown facing people against whom magic is far less useful than it's supposed to be (edit: due to their own use of magic), I can also note (since you've shown a video) that most of the mages aren't even casting. And then one mage is shown actually holding a templar off despite how unfair the fight is, and has to be killed from behind. And you really think this is decent evidence that magic isn't powerful?

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 12 janvier 2014 - 02:13 .

[AresKeith]

Magdalena11 wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

@Rassler you're applying the terrible state of one circle to all. The only thing that happens in all circles is children being taken away after birth. That isnt terrible, the children are raised and cared for by the chantry most likely.

Children were abandoned at the chantry as well, orphans and such.  Being taken away from a parent who could provide a family to be placed in an orphanage, no matter how good-intentioned, isn't right.

Except that it's too dangerous for some to try and raise a baby in the Circle

I get that it isn't fair, and the parent should also be able to visit them also (Not sure if their allowed or not)

Modifié par AresKeith, 12 janvier 2014 - 02:10 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Magdalena11 wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

@Rassler you're applying the terrible state of one circle to all. The only thing that happens in all circles is children being taken away after birth. That isnt terrible, the children are raised and cared for by the chantry most likely.

Children were abandoned at the chantry as well, orphans and such.  Being taken away from a parent who could provide a family to be placed in an orphanage, no matter how good-intentioned, isn't right.

and your point is?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rassler wrote...


"Anti magic" abilities need tons of lyrium, give 1/10 of that to mages and they can turn whole million people of anti mage nation to blood and bone.

A templar trains for like ten years to be able to do what a mage innately does with a wave of hand.

Yeah right lets see ultimate power of mages!!! indeed power worthy of the gods even mooks vs madara standed longer

This again?

In addition to my previous argument that the mages are shown facing people against whom magic is far less useful than it's supposed to be, I can also note (since you've shown a video) that most of the mages aren't even casting. And then one mage is shown actually holding a templar off despite how unfair the fight is, and has to be killed from behind. And you really think this is decent evidence that magic isn't powerful?

rly?
mages didn't even managed cast spell before half of them were killed just look on first mage victim before she menaged cast spell she was dead that shows that mages are not only weak in terms of power but slow...  for trained warriors and rogues that shouldn't be a problem as we seen templars didn't even had to use their anti-magical skills first half died because they were faster other because of tatctic...

[Magdalena11]

eluvianix wrote...

Magdalena11 wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

@Rassler you're applying the terrible state of one circle to all. The only thing that happens in all circles is children being taken away after birth. That isnt terrible, the children are raised and cared for by the chantry most likely.

Children were abandoned at the chantry as well, orphans and such.  Being taken away from a parent who could provide a family to be placed in an orphanage, no matter how good-intentioned, isn't right.

It isn't fair, I do agree. But where would be safer?

Safest for the child would be with its mother as well.  Among a group of young children supervised by a distracted Sister the child would be at worse risk of falling in a well than it would by being harmed by stray magic, abominations or annulment while in the care of its protective mother.

[Hellion Rex]

MasterScribe wrote...

Children, the ultimate emotional appeal.

I'm still on the fence. I think complete mage freedom (especially for human mages) is a bad idea.

Besides, the Circle system kept the common folk relatively at ease. That alone probably mitigated a lot of civil disorder (simple-minded people fear what they don't understand and what they feel threatened by).

I would argue that in some ways, the Circles also made many of the common folk somewhat ignorant of magic, it's limitations, and consequences. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Magdalena11 wrote...


Safest for the child would be with its mother as well.  Among a group of young children supervised by a distracted Sister the child would be at worse risk of falling in a well than it would by being harmed by stray magic, abominations or annulment while in the care of its protective mother.

What do you want tell me that children is in bigger danger with bad babysitter than with ticking bomb in that same house?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

This again?

In addition to my previous argument that the mages are shown facing people against whom magic is far less useful than it's supposed to be, I can also note (since you've shown a video) that most of the mages aren't even casting. And then one mage is shown actually holding a templar off despite how unfair the fight is, and has to be killed from behind. And you really think this is decent evidence that magic isn't powerful?

rly?
mages didn't even managed cast spell before half of them were killed just look on first mage victim before she menaged cast spell she was dead that shows that mages are not only weak in terms of power but slow...

You cannot infer anything in terms of their power from the fact that they didn't cast, for precisely the reason that they didn't cast. Slow, maybe. Or maybe they just froze. Either way, you can't judge the strength of their spells.

for trained warriors and rogues that shouldn't be a problem as we seen templars didn't even had to use their anti-magical skills first half died because they were faster other because of tatctic...

The fact that the Templars had to use tactical skills against the mages is evidence against your point; if mages were as weak as you claim the Templar who the mage had pinned with that flame blast would have just ignored it and stabbed her. And then there's the mage who actually killed a Templar with a gesture. This video doesn't work at all for mages being weak. Tactically incompetent yes, weak no.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 12 janvier 2014 - 02:24 .

[The Elder King]

eluvianix wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

Children, the ultimate emotional appeal.

I'm still on the fence. I think complete mage freedom (especially for human mages) is a bad idea.

Besides, the Circle system kept the common folk relatively at ease. That alone probably mitigated a lot of civil disorder (simple-minded people fear what they don't understand and what they feel threatened by).

I would argue that in some ways, the Circles also made many of the common folk somewhat ignorant of magic, it's limitations, and consequences. 

Well, we don't really know if common folk in Thedas ever understood how magic works, as well as its limits and consequences. Mages in Tevinter were/are the ruling class and didn't mix with the common folks. The into societies where the common folks might known more would be the elven/dalish and Rivaini (possibly). 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

This again?

In addition to my previous argument that the mages are shown facing people against whom magic is far less useful than it's supposed to be, I can also note (since you've shown a video) that most of the mages aren't even casting. And then one mage is shown actually holding a templar off despite how unfair the fight is, and has to be killed from behind. And you really think this is decent evidence that magic isn't powerful?

rly?
mages didn't even managed cast spell before half of them were killed just look on first mage victim before she menaged cast spell she was dead that shows that mages are not only weak in terms of power but slow...

You cannot infer anything in terms of their power from the fact that they didn't cast, for precisely the reason that they didn't cast.

for trained warriors and rogues that shouldn't be a problem as we seen templars didn't even had to use their anti-magical skills first half died because they were faster other because of tatctic...

The fact that the Templars has to use tactical skills against the mages is evidence against your point. And then there's the mage who actually killed a Templar with a gesture. This video doesn't work at all for mages being weak. Tactically incompetent yes, weak no.

LoL first every trained warrior uses tatctic even if they will go against peasants because well better be effective than not...

Second well if stronger enemy charges at you then you will use strongest cards that you have not splash in their face pretty much if they had stronger spells they would use it only retarded person wouldn't so you want tell me they will give up to demons when they face death but won't use stronger spells?